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ToxicSlurpee posted:Also is it normal for an interview to end up asking for a language that the interviewee doesn't even know? I had an interview but the code was in PHP which I've literally never used. It isn't on my resume. If memory serves it was among the "it'd be nice if you knew these" things but not an actual requirement. Granted now it's on my "things to learn more about" list but that really left me scratching my head. PHP should probably stay off your "things to learn more about" list.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It's also problematic in that my sense of humor is pretty offensive and it shows in the games. On one hand non-game world. The game world also seems to want people with way more experience than I have. My github account has references to "lolocaust" and people keep hiring me
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ToxicSlurpee posted:What stuff is and isn't worth mentioning? I've made random games for game jams, some ones that I never finished, and a simple XNA shooter before XNA was discontinued. Pretty much everything I've done on my own was games. I've been leaving that off my resume so far. Constrain yourself by space or number of extra-curricular items, then include as many as you can fit. It also depends on the job. I used to list a partially-written Nethack bot and that was impressive enough for early jobs because it shows that I write code. Now I have enough corporate experience to drop that, and I'd list a patch that I got into Curl because it shows how I work with others and talk about code. quote:It's also problematic in that my sense of humor is pretty offensive and it shows in the games. On one hand I'd hate to have somebody see that and go "wow don't hire him" but on the other hand I'm wondering if my trouble finding work is because I leave that stuff off. Yep, that's a problem. Like, if someone listed "Beat Up Anita Sarkeesian" as one of the games they'd made, I would have no interest in working with them. But maybe you want to work at a place where you can be yourself? If you list "Fart Brothers II" on your resume with a link and get high-fives and hired, you can be pretty sure that your coworkers will enjoy seeing your designs for "Fart Brothers III: Farts and Poops" quote:Also is it normal for an interview to end up asking for a language that the interviewee doesn't even know? I had an interview but the code was in PHP which I've literally never used. It isn't on my resume. If memory serves it was among the "it'd be nice if you knew these" things but not an actual requirement. Granted now it's on my "things to learn more about" list but that really left me scratching my head. I haven't gotten that often, but a few times, yes. You should point out that you've never worked in the language (maybe they didn't pay attention to your resume) and then ask if they want you to wing it. Sometimes, they're trying to see how easily you'll pick up the new language or your learning process (what questions do you ask, how do you read unfamiliar code, etc).
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It's also problematic in that my sense of humor is pretty offensive and it shows in the games. On one hand I'd hate to have somebody see that and go "wow don't hire him" but on the other hand I'm wondering if my trouble finding work is because I leave that stuff off.
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Mniot posted:Yep, that's a problem. Like, if someone listed "Beat Up Anita Sarkeesian" as one of the games they'd made, I would have no interest in working with them. Yeah, s/Sarkeesian/Kardashian/ and you're good to go.
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Zephonith posted:Update: I've been offered a full time job. I asked for 5K above a good graduate salary in the area, and got it without having to negotiate. I like the workplace, the people are good, and the work is interesting, so I'm pretty pleased with myself right now. 
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Gildiss posted:PHP should probably stay off your "things to learn more about" list. Is there a reason for that? I keep seeing jobs that want PHP and I'm like "welp." No Safe Word posted:In a way it kind of helps because it makes people that you might otherwise be uncomfortable working with self-select out of hiring you. But that does limit your options, clearly. I know how terrible it is and I can turn it off when necessary. My concern is if it would limit my options too much. This isn't the restaurant world where hideous filth is the baseline standard. One of my game jam games involves vomiting on the bartender, drinking random things found in a bar's bathroom, and just generally being a complete drunken jerk.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Is there a reason for that? I keep seeing jobs that want PHP and I'm like "welp." ToxicSlurpee posted:I know how terrible it is and I can turn it off when necessary. My concern is if it would limit my options too much. This isn't the restaurant world where hideous filth is the baseline standard. One of my game jam games involves vomiting on the bartender, drinking random things found in a bar's bathroom, and just generally being a complete drunken jerk. Crude is probably generally acceptable even if a bit off-putting, though I may just have had different experiences from others. Offensive on the other hand, almost certainly not okay.
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Jan 26, 2016 23:23
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No Safe Word posted:PHP is bad and even if you get a job doing it you will just hate it and resent it. Plus it's not exactly a growth industry. Also pays less and puts you in a career track to make less forever. quote:Crude is probably generally acceptable even if a bit off-putting, though I may just have had different experiences from others. Offensive on the other hand, almost certainly not okay. That's not helping because everyone's line where crude becomes offensive is different. ToxicSlurpee, how hard would it be to take a couple of your games and make work-safe-ish self-parodies?
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No Safe Word posted:Crude is probably generally acceptable even if a bit off-putting, though I may just have had different experiences from others. Offensive on the other hand, almost certainly not okay. Context makes a big difference, too. Just out of college and you wrote a beer-pong sim in Unity? Cool. Same thing, but you're 40 and applying for a Principal Engineer position? Sounds lame.
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I've been lurking this thread since starting school a few years ago. I've made it past the phone screen for the first time for an internship, so I'm a bit nervous. Regardless, I'm excited, so thanks, thread, for hammering home how important side projects are and general resume tips! It's with a cloud hosting company for a Hadoop dev team. I listed a small project I made with Hadoop and Python on my resume, so that must have caught their eye, but I'm not terribly familiar with the entire Hadoop ecosystem other than it exists, and I'm going to practice writing some Python code since as far as I know the company uses Python quite a bit. I'm okay with Python, but the majority of coding I've done (homework) has been C++. Any tips on Hadoop/Python specific things I might want to consider beforehand? Any general advice for a video-conference technical interviews? Obviously I'll find out during the interview, but I'm not quite sure what a Hadoop dev team would be involved in at a cloud hosting company, whether customer-facing or internal. I pretty much started playing with Hadoop because it was (and is) neat and was tangentially related to what I was doing in my parallel programming course, and I've been helping with getting an undergrad "data science" group going at my school. Getting to work with it would be pretty fun, I reckon. After interviewing for a"software engineer" co-op that turned out to be support with read-only access to the code, I'm a little wary those type of roles. My long-term goal is just to have interesting problems to solve coding in a domain where I can be a bit of a specialist, but right now I'll need something lined up for the summer. Any food for thought here about being a developer for services/IT/cloud providing companies? For whatever reason, I find these fields a little ambiguous with regards to my goals.
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Jan 27, 2016 00:06
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Munkeymon posted:Also pays less and puts you in a career track to make less forever. Doesn't Facebook pay well?
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No Safe Word posted:Crude is probably generally acceptable even if a bit off-putting, though I may just have had different experiences from others. Offensive on the other hand, almost certainly not okay. I don't like racist or homophobic humor but pretty much else is fair game, far as I'm concerned. I'm a member of SomethingAwful for a reason.  Munkeymon posted:That's not helping because everyone's line where crude becomes offensive is different. And that's the other problem. The line varies dramatically based on situation and it's just something you have to kind of feel out over time. Joking about puking on the bartender here is like "meh, whatever" and I can say that stuff in front of my friends but I can see a lot of office culture being utterly horrified. Munkeymon posted:ToxicSlurpee, how hard would it be to take a couple of your games and make work-safe-ish self-parodies? If I was going to do that I'd just make new games, to be honest. They were throw-away game jam projects I did to learn more than make good games. One was bad because I neglected it in lieu of other things and also because it was my first anything in Unity. The other I made bad on purpose to fit the theme and it ended up being just plain bad. The latest game jam one actually would work on a resume; it curses a little but that's about it. None of them crash. One of them could go on a resume no problem. The second one just swears a lot. The third is definitely pushing it. It wouldn't be hard though but most of what I talk about heavily is a paper I wrote for my college honors project. I could PM a link to it but I won't post it publicly because my real name is on it and I want a certain level of separation between the two. I programmed stuff like pathfinding and decision making using neural networks. If that doesn't say "this person is competent" I don't know what does. edit: I also realize that one issue I'm going to run into is that I really, really, really don't want to move to the Bay Area. Or west coast in general. I don't want to live in a place where you pay $2,000 a month to live in a closet. ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I don't want to live in a place where you pay $2,000 a month to live in a closet. NYC has tons of jobs and you can live across the river in New Jersey and get a decent place at a decent price.
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What kind of commute is that? 100% on a train, 1 hour each way? How much would a not-crap 1 BR apartment cost in New Jersey close enough to work in NYC?
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Ithaqua posted:NYC has tons of jobs and you can live across the river in New Jersey and get a decent place at a decent price. I did apply to some places in and around NYC but haven't heard back or got denied. Is there much work outside of cities or am I going to have to suck it up and plan on being an urban person now?
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Cryolite posted:What kind of commute is that? 100% on a train, 1 hour each way? All of this depends on location. If you live in Jersey City or Hoboken (don't), it's closer to NYC prices for housing but also a 15-20 minute commute on the PATH. In general, I lived in places where a train station was no more than 10 minutes away by car (in some places, only a few miles, so easily walkable) and would get you to midtown in about an hour. From there, it's a matter of figuring out a subway route to your destination, which could add another 30+ minutes on depending on where it's located in the city. It's a big city. My first apartment out of college was (adjusted for 2016 dollars) $1200/month for 900 sq. ft. It was also on the NE Corridor NJ Transit line, so it was fast and easy to get to the city -- 45 minutes, no transfers. ToxicSlurpee posted:I did apply to some places in and around NYC but haven't heard back or got denied. There's plenty of work outside of the city. I know some big companies in Long Island (ugh), Connecticut (expensive state!), and of course in Hoboken/Newark/Jersey City. There are also random companies sprinkled throughout NJ. Most of my jobs have not been city jobs.
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I live in NYC and work in NYC and Jersey (offices in both locations) and my commute to Jersey is an hour each way from penn station, and that's pretty far out. You could pretty easily live just over the bridge and commute much less. That said, you can also just get a place in Brooklyn or something–there are hoods that aren't insanely expensive and honestly the salary matches the rent for the most part.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I did apply to some places in and around NYC but haven't heard back or got denied. There are plenty in all sorts of places, as far as I can tell. I lived in the burbs in Baltimore and had a job in Columbia (between Baltimore and DC), and now I have one in St. Louis. Just from reading around on the internet, it seems like there are tons of different cities with jobs.
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Jan 27, 2016 05:23
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MrMoo posted:Doesn't Facebook pay well? They're in the process of moving away from PHP. I could be wrong, I just saw some chatter between FB devs on Twitter.
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Facebook got so frustrated with PHP, they designed their own subset of the language to deal with it's shortcomings. I forget what it's called but they did publish an open spec, if only to help train fresh meat. I haven't worked with anything involving PHP that didn't make me want to do violent things. I'm not sure if it's the language itself, of the Fischer price mentality of the developers using it but it has a well deserved bad reputation in the post 2004-era.
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Yeah I've been to the fall career fair, sent out a bunch of resumes and got no callbacks. Maybe I was aiming too high or my resume is just bad  Working with my dad is gross is kind of about the whole nepotism thing, but also that'd I'd be stuck in China for the summer. Would tech companies in the U.S. even care? It is well regarded internationally in it's field (3D printing).
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Just think of nepotism as an extremely long interview process that you passed
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Hadlock posted:Facebook got so frustrated with PHP, they designed their own subset of the language to deal with it's shortcomings. I forget what it's called but they did publish an open spec, if only to help train fresh meat. It's called Hack. PHP 7 has implemented some of the improvements, like adding scalar type hints (int, string) and method return hints.
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Xun posted:Yeah I've been to the fall career fair, sent out a bunch of resumes and got no callbacks. Maybe I was aiming too high or my resume is just bad If you want feedback on your resume you can post it here. quote:Working with my dad is gross is kind of about the whole nepotism thing, but also that'd I'd be stuck in China for the summer. Would tech companies in the U.S. even care? It is well regarded internationally in it's field (3D printing). Of course companies here will care. Why wouldn't they? No one is going to say "Hm, Xun worked at PrinterBotX to make their printer's software more usable and delivered the project on time and was well reviewed by his peers on the team...but he was in China at the time so gently caress him." The entire idea of internships is to get a shallow experience in the field in general to get used to the idea of working as part of a team on actual deliverables. The company doesn't have to be "well regarded" or even physically in the US as long as what you're learning and doing is applicable to Real Life Work. Just don't spend the internship fetching drinks for employees instead of learning job skills.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:If I was going to do that I'd just make new games, to be honest. They were throw-away game jam projects I did to learn more than make good games. One was bad because I neglected it in lieu of other things and also because it was my first anything in Unity. The other I made bad on purpose to fit the theme and it ended up being just plain bad. The latest game jam one actually would work on a resume; it curses a little but that's about it. None of them crash. One of them could go on a resume no problem. The second one just swears a lot. The third is definitely pushing it. Then put the one that's no problem on your resume and if the interviewer seems cool you can point them to the questionable one that swears a lot. If they ask why it's not on your resume, just point out that it's not 100% work-safe. Heck, if it's just text, it might be reasonably easy to give it a work-safe mode. Is the paper published in a journal or anything? Even if it's not, you should probably link to a copy in your resume as an example of your excellent written communication skills and problem solving abilities.
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Munkeymon posted:Then put the one that's no problem on your resume and if the interviewer seems cool you can point them to the questionable one that swears a lot. If they ask why it's not on your resume, just point out that it's not 100% work-safe. Heck, if it's just text, it might be reasonably easy to give it a work-safe mode. It isn't in a journal or anything academic. Never tried to get it put in one, honestly. I have a link on the resume. It's on a page on a blog I've been neglecting partly because I can't decide what to write about and need to get better documentation of my artsy things.
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Along with assume much harder stuff, I did fizzbuzz in an interview for the first time today  Also fibonacci, and they also asked if I was familiar with SOLID and I knew each one, yay. But the last guy I talked to just basically asked me if I had used all these different technologies that weren't on the job posting: durandal, angular, etc etc. So..I just kind of sat there feeling dumb and saying no, nope, nope...I did try to emphasize that I'm fairly good at picking new things up, and like to as well, so we'll see.
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Is it bad to leave your first job after 9 months? I'm desperately trying to hang on until the 1 year mark before I start looking, but the environment is so toxic thanks to the CEO. The staff is great and the work is fun and challenging, but most of us are so miserable because of the CEO.
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Tomahawk posted:Is it bad to leave your first job after 9 months? I'm desperately trying to hang on until the 1 year mark before I start looking, but the environment is so toxic thanks to the CEO. The staff is great and the work is fun and challenging, but most of us are so miserable because of the CEO. Eh, it's not great but 3 months probably wouldn't make that big of a difference. You'd likely still be around the same level you're at now anyway so I wouldn't sweat it. Better for your sanity and long-term prospects to look around now probably.
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Tomahawk posted:Is it bad to leave your first job after 9 months? I'm desperately trying to hang on until the 1 year mark before I start looking, but the environment is so toxic thanks to the CEO. The staff is great and the work is fun and challenging, but most of us are so miserable because of the CEO. If you hate your job find a new one. No point spending 40 hours a week somewhere that you're miserable for any reason.
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If you're not happy, leave. Don't get too hung up on the time you spent there, I've never found worrying about tenure length to be particularly helpful. Speaking of, the company I left a month or so back laid off 15% of its staff yesterday, including most of its front-end engineers. This is after losing key data and API engineers, as well as most of their HR staff.  There's a lot of friends I made looking for new jobs now. I'm really glad I didn't stick around.
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Pollyanna posted:I've never found worrying about tenure length to be particularly helpful. So, like I think this is true, but aren't you now on just your second developer job?
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If you want a new job, look for a new one. If you get an offer that you like, then your tenure at the previous job doesn't really matter; obviously your new employer didn't care that much. If you don't get an offer that you like, just keep looking and developing your skills and your tenure will rise over time.
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What do I need to get a job as a systems analyst? Is there such thing as a junior position? What's the best UML tool (I assume you use that in that kind of position)? I'm currently enrolled in school but because it's a distance school I was hoping to get a job to supplement my education, but most of my experience is in industrial engineering. I have some small .NET programming experience but nothing big, unfortunately.
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Would it be better for a community college student transferring to a 4-year uni as a CSE major to take a computer architecture class or an intro to linux class? Both would be good, but I have to choose one.
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I'm going to venture an opinion and say that you might find computer architecture more useful in your upper classes. I was definitely missing a bit of knowledge about how CPUs and memory caching work without that class when I was taking a parallel programming course, and picked up enough Linux doing my homework to get rid of Windows almost entirely, even though I'm no master. That said, do what you're interested in!
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Intro to linux class is probably less helpful in the long term, but it will make you loads more effective at doing your homework and experimenting with code projects in the short term. Being fluent in the command line is a big factor in being a productive superstar programmer and it's best to get a start now. Also, check out MIT's open courseware, their Computer Science 101 starts you off with Python and is a great world-class introduction, youtube lectures, full texts, source code and even lab assistant lectures, etc. 20 minutes a night for two weeks will put you way, way ahead of your peers if you don't already have exposure to programming. http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-096-introduction-to-c-january-iap-2011/
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