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nitrogen posted:I think the rule of thumb is, "if you're going to use pedestrian rules, be a pedestrian. If you're going to use vehicle rules, be a vehicle."
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um excuse me posted:When I was in grade school I was always told to cross the street with my bike by walking across the crosswalk next to it. I'm not sure where the transition from doing that and you're supposed to behave like an automobile occurs. Any cyclist using the same roads as motor vehicles is bound by the same laws, regardless of their vehicle having a motor or not. Nitrogen hit it on the head that bicyclists are unpredictable, and a big part of that is thinking the laws don't apply to them (or just not giving a poo poo and being dicks). I've seen and heard about too many instances of morons on bikes ignoring stop signs/lights, not signaling, blocking roadways with big groups of people so cars can't safely pass, you name it. Assholes like that deserve whatever bad things happen to them because gently caress that selfish garbage.
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May 10, 2016 17:35
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It doesn't matter. My state has thousands of miles of perfectly paved bike trails with lines painted that wind through beautiful areas and next to rivers. They all still ride on the streets.
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May 10, 2016 17:39
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"Make turns like everyone else" and then get plowed by a texting soccer mom who didn't expect anything smaller than an Escalade to be in the road and floored it as soon as they thought the intersection was clear. Whereas people are actually (ideally) looking for human-sized objects in the crosswalk. Applying car rules to bikes without any adjustment for the real differences that exist is moronic.
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May 10, 2016 17:42
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Bicycles ridden on the road should also require liability insurance.
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May 10, 2016 17:43
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Vitamin J posted:It doesn't matter. My state has thousands of miles of perfectly paved bike trails with lines painted that wind through beautiful areas and next to rivers. They all still ride on the streets. I fully agree that obnoxious fucks like that are as much a part of the problem as anyone else.
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May 10, 2016 17:47
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Vitamin J posted:It doesn't matter. My state has thousands of miles of perfectly paved bike trails with lines painted that wind through beautiful areas and next to rivers. They all still ride on the streets. If you're using a bike to commute, why the gently caress would you want to pedal on a meandering trail? You aren't there to commune with nature, you want to get to work in the shortest time possible. Public roads are designed to do this because they're straight lines and your destination is going to be directly attached to one of them.
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May 10, 2016 17:48
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Javid posted:"Make turns like everyone else" and then get plowed by a texting soccer mom who didn't expect anything smaller than an Escalade to be in the road and floored it as soon as they thought the intersection was clear. Whereas people are actually (ideally) looking for human-sized objects in the crosswalk. Applying car rules to bikes without any adjustment for the real differences that exist is moronic. Got any statistics to back that up? People are looking for objects. I have a hard time believing the brain has a huge blind spot for a cyclist but can pick up a pedestrian just fine. e: maybe we should have a dedicated ARGUE ABOUT BIKES thread because it derails a lot of things.
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May 10, 2016 17:49
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Nobody sees motorcycles. I can imagine nobody really sees bikes either.
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May 10, 2016 17:59
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There's this big perception that a cyclist has to get off their bike and walk it through a crosswalk, but in a lot of places that is not true (here is the section of law for my state). Granted, you really don't want to do that at more than a walking pace. Recently we were going to eat lunch after a ride, and were at a spot where a trail comes out and needed to cross a street to get to the place. So we wait at the crosswalk, start rolling slowly, and this guy turning right just cuts out and nearly hits us, while waving his finger like we are the ones doing something wrong. SCA Enthusiast posted:Got any statistics to back that up? People are looking for objects. I have a hard time believing the brain has a huge blind spot for a cyclist but can pick up a pedestrian just fine. Yeah that's an actual thing, where a driver will be looking right at a bicycle or motorcycle or even another car and just not see it. http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr01/blindness.aspx
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May 10, 2016 18:03
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SCA Enthusiast posted:maybe we should have a dedicated ARGUE ABOUT BIKES thread because it derails a lot of things.
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May 10, 2016 18:05
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We'll just cycle (heh) back to arguing about speeding next, or something.
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May 10, 2016 18:07
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Its almost like people are assholes regardless of what vehicle they're on. A bicycle is way less likely to gently caress other people up and a ped even less so. Also, I'll care a bit more about "bikes don't follow the law" when the majority of cars follow the 3 foot law or a variety of other law re:bikes. This doesn't mean bikes should break the law (though I would support an idaho stop law), but I'd rather focus my efforts on the people controlling 4000lb killing machines than 20lb nerd mobiles. Edit: I'm always amused that the world's angriest motorcyclist is pissed off at things pedal bikes do that piss him off. nm fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 10, 2016 |
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May 10, 2016 18:12
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Spotted on a 60mph road.  https://gfycat.com/CorruptPoisedBellfrog.webm
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May 10, 2016 18:17
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xzzy posted:If you're using a bike to commute, why the gently caress would you want to pedal on a meandering trail? You aren't there to commune with nature, you want to get to work in the shortest time possible. Not only that but my area is full of Lances who come from all over the country to train at high altitude and they just ride around in circles anyway, those fucks will ride 6 abreast down the street on a Tuesday.
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May 10, 2016 18:20
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nitrogen posted:That's my big issue with drivers; if they do weird things I don't expect, like running red lights/stop signs, not signaling, texting and otherwise loving around on their cellphone, actively trying to hit or block bicycles and motorcycles, tailgating, etc. I agree completely. Drivers are the worst because of their sense of entitlement, lack of respect for everyone else trying to use the road, environment ruining vehicles, etc. I mean, I'd like to see the study that shows the millions of deaths that cyclists cause because that must be the main reason car drivers are so angry at cyclists all the time.
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May 10, 2016 18:21
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Vitamin J posted:It doesn't matter. My state has thousands of miles of perfectly paved bike trails with lines painted that wind through beautiful areas and next to rivers. They all still ride on the streets. Bike trails immediately get clogged with joggers, people taking their kids/dogs for walks, etc. If you're trying to ride at speed for whatever reason, you put fewer people in danger by being on the street.
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May 10, 2016 19:02
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Ludicro posted:Spotted on a 60mph road. Apparently this idiot never heard that you're supposed to walk on the side opposing traffic so you can see if some idiot is about to crash into you. Gene pool, etc. e:  it's clearly the fault of all those maniacs driving on the wrong side of the road
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May 10, 2016 19:15
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EightBit posted:Bike trails immediately get clogged with joggers, people taking their kids/dogs for walks, etc. If you're trying to ride at speed for whatever reason, you put fewer people in danger by being on the street. 
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May 10, 2016 19:21
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https://twitter.com/DFrelick/status/729825880093134848
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May 10, 2016 19:45
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Bro's gotta make some sweet go pro footy.
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May 10, 2016 19:53
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El Jebus posted:I agree completely. Drivers are the worst because of their sense of entitlement, lack of respect for everyone else trying to use the road, environment ruining vehicles, etc. I'd also agree 100% with my butchered quote, as a driver and motorcyclist.
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May 10, 2016 20:22
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nitrogen posted:The bad drivers are coming from *INSIDE THE THREAD* (pretty sure someone else made this joke) nitrogen posted:I think the rule of thumb is, "if you're going to use pedestrian rules, be a pedestrian. If you're going to use vehicle rules, be a vehicle." The cyclists roll the stop, then stop in the intersection, blocking both lanes of traffic, to yield to me. I'm like ... I appreciate that you're yielding to pedestrians, but there was probably a better way for all of that to happen.
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May 10, 2016 21:53
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Vitamin J posted:Thankfully for this reason the specific bike trail I'm talking about is separated into two paths, one for bikes and one for peds. It's faster, safer, and more convenient for everyone but they still ride on the streets parallel to the path. I'm sure there's a good reason you can fill me in on. That kind of path is the exception, and there's nothing stopping oblivious joggers from being in the way. Anyone in moderate shape can maintain enough speed on a bicycle to cause major injuries to themselves and others. Do you live in some kind of bicycle-friendly utopia where people never have dogs on leashes stretched across the entire path, people walking three and four abreast (I'm in San Antonio, one of the fattest cities on the planet, people are wide here, two can block more than half of most this city's bike trails), joggers that stop and turn around without warning, people wearing headphones, people that hear "on your left" and loving move left, etc.? Cars are scary, but most drivers are in their lanes and paying attention to what is going on. Pedestrians, may as well all be autists. I avoid riding on the trails in spring here because of that. Well, there is water in the rivers right now, so I'm also usually paddling a kayak around. Summer and 100+F days clear the trails again and make it much safer.
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May 10, 2016 22:09
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Most bike trails have a 15mph limit, which is laughably low for anyone in reasonable shape. They even bust out the radar guns here. Also passing runners who run with bicycle traffic (as opposed to against) with headphones on are scarier than cars.
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May 10, 2016 22:25
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Yes I do live in a bicycle friendly utopia where the cities and state spends millions on bike trails like shown in the picture. Sounds like you wouldn't ride on them either. I ride on those trails in the afternoons and evenings when joggers and dog walkers are at their peak (much less during commuting hours) and they're perfectly fine. Like I said, it doesn't matter what we do to accommodate bikers, they'll still ride on the road, and justify it.
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May 10, 2016 22:36
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jamal posted:
That's eye opening  , but my point was it's far from a bicycle specific thing. Its amazing we're allowed to pilot metal death machines.
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May 10, 2016 22:43
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We haven't had the same experiences. I've had a few close calls and decided that I don't want to be the cause of someone else's broken bones or head trauma if I could help it. That's probably what the other bikers are thinking, too. Without an enforced bicycles-only area, the best way to maintain a good exercise pace is on roads, or stuck inside on a trainer. Heaven forbid that you are riding your bike to a place that trails don't connect to, either. Everyone hates bicyclists, even other bicyclists, apparently.
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May 10, 2016 22:50
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SCA Enthusiast posted:That's eye opening Give it 10 years and we probably won't be. These threads will be bitching about their self driving car slamming into a telephone pole and giving you whiplash because it was trying to avoid a squirrel darting across the street.
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May 10, 2016 22:55
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jamal posted:Yeah that's an actual thing, where a driver will be looking right at a bicycle or motorcycle or even another car and just not see it. I know I had no problem counting how many times the basketball was passed: https://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo E: attempting to embed on phone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo
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May 10, 2016 23:12
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I imagine that's more effective if you aren't expecting anything weird.
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May 10, 2016 23:21
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EightBit posted:That kind of path is the exception, and there's nothing stopping oblivious joggers from being in the way. Anyone in moderate shape can maintain enough speed on a bicycle to cause major injuries to themselves and others. So, as a cyclist you're saying you're annoyed with sharing a surface with people going significantly slower than your natural speed, who sometimes make themselves hard to pass safely? You say they sometimes move unpredictably and/or don't pay enough attention to the faster moving things around them, even though they could be seriously injured if something went wrong?
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May 10, 2016 23:32
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CharlieWhiskey posted:I know I had no problem counting how many times the basketball was passed: https://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo I saw 14 passes and the gorilla.
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May 10, 2016 23:33
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Ok, so car drivers hate bike riders and bike riders hate pedestrians, but can we all at least agree that horse riders are the worst?
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May 10, 2016 23:45
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Karma Monkey posted:Ok, so car drivers hate bike riders and bike riders hate pedestrians, but can we all at least agree that horse riders are the worst? People riding horses on the road because they're entitled? Yes. People riding horses on the road for cultural and religious reasons (the Amish, for example)? Perfectly fine.
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May 11, 2016 00:01
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Cyclist also hate other cyclists. You don't ever hear "oh, you drive a car? gently caress, I hate those people, you wouldn't believe the poo poo I saw someone pull the other day." But someone on a bike does something dumb/wrong, and I get bitched at.
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May 11, 2016 00:20
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PCOS Bill posted:People riding horses on the road because they're entitled? Yes. When it comes to sharing the road with things other than cars, the Amish are some of the most courteous I've encountered. Though, given their belief system I guess that kind of makes sense.
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^^^ Seconding this.PCOS Bill posted:People riding horses on the road because they're entitled? Yes. Oh god, I forgot about the Amish! And I even grew up around them. No, I definitely don't mean the Amish.  Actually, I wasn't even thinking of roads. I was thinking about all the lovely hiking trails that are utterly destroyed by the horse people. Like I said (about 100 pgs ago by now) earlier in the thread, I don't even mind the joggers and bikes on the trail, but the horse people... ugh.jamal posted:Cyclist also hate other cyclists. Honestly, around here I'm more afraid for them than annoyed by them. The stuff I see people do around bikes, motorcycles, and pedestrians scares the poo poo out of me. I get why people would be annoyed at them, but christ, some of the drivers here seem aggressively, actively, murderously hostile toward them.
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May 11, 2016 01:37
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PCOS Bill posted:I saw 14 passes and the gorilla. I saw 16 and a gorilla 
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wolrah posted:So, as a cyclist you're saying you're annoyed with sharing a surface with people going significantly slower than your natural speed, who sometimes make themselves hard to pass safely? You say they sometimes move unpredictably and/or don't pay enough attention to the faster moving things around them, even though they could be seriously injured if something went wrong? You could give cyclists everything they would ever dream of asking for, and they'll still find a reason to complain and not use it.
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