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Just once. Someone jumped off the cruiser escort in the middle of the night mid-deployment. Only time I saw the CO in CDC. Conversely: The Oso landslide wiped out my first bosn. Several car crashes and unfortunate events later. SquirrelyPSU fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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Jul 18, 2023 13:58
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MonkeyFit posted:They sent him back to our boat to finish out his restriction when we pulled in a couple weeks later. This was towards the end of a one year period where we had between 20-25 people tap out. This is the part that doesn’t make sense to me. Whhhhhhhy waste time sending him back?
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Jul 18, 2023 14:08
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Crab Dad posted:This is the part that doesn’t make sense to me. Whhhhhhhy waste time sending him back? It's about the cruelty. "We'll show him that he can't choose to leave whenever he wants! You can't quit, you're fired!" and so on
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Jul 18, 2023 14:26
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I've seen two overboard. One was a petty officer in port who went to mast. Before mast he was telling everyone "if they take my stripe, I'm leaving." They took his stripe. He about faced, walked off the bridge and just kept walking. Didn't try to swim to shore and run off, just treading water in gross Norfolk water until they fished him out. Other one was in Chesapeake Bay during sea and anchor. Line handler, claims he tripped and fell but I'd bet money that he was napping and fell out the cargo doors.
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Jul 18, 2023 14:39
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We didn't thankfully have a man overboard, but one was called at 2am in the middle of the Indian ocean on transit because a sailor who was obviously unfit to come on deployment but was forced to because he filled a critical billet didn't show up to watch. They checked his rack and all the internal places he might be and he was nowhere to be found. MOB was called and a search party was sent around the ship while we turned around to retrace our steps. He was found sleeping topside next to the aft CIWS. Afterwards he had a 24/7 buddy til we got to a port he could be flown home from to get the proper care he needed. We literally had a watchbill for him. Someone had to sit there next to his rack while he slept. It was a week or so before we were able to get him off the ship.
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Jul 18, 2023 14:56
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Flyinglemur posted:It's about the cruelty. "We'll show him that he can't choose to leave whenever he wants! You can't quit, you're fired!" and so on And then the last post the sailor gets a watch and removed from the boat. sea of contrasts.
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Jul 18, 2023 15:09
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Crab Dad posted:And then the last post the sailor gets a watch and removed from the boat. sea of contrasts. I mean, he should have been removed from the ship prior to deployment as he had told everyone in his chain of command and our corpsmen that he hated his life and was afraid of what he might do to himself on deployment. He filled a critical billet, though, and we couldn't get a substitute on short notice. He was told to suck it up and get to work. He lasted a few weeks before the first watch MOB. I'll note that I was not in his chain of command. He was in a division in my department, though, so we had to assist on his personal watchbill. After it happened all of my sailors were like "yeah, he's been hosed up for a while but they forced him to come anyways."
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Jul 18, 2023 15:13
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Mr. Nice! posted:Someone had to sit there next to his rack while he slept. Honestly that doesn't sound like too bad a watch, provided that it gets you out of something else and also assuming that you wouldn't get hassled for reading a book or looking at your phone. I think the worst watch I ever had was during sub school. Someone was stealing from the barracks and using the fire doors to smuggle out stolen tv's and ps1's, so the 1st LT decided to post a watch at each fire door. 6 floors, two doors / floor, and 2 shifts to cover the overnight for a total of 24 additional watchstanders per duty section. 4 hours of standing at parade rest in front of a door at the end of an empty hallway. It sucked poo poo. Eventually they wizened up and just posted someone at the exterior fire doors on either side of the building. That was nice because when i drew that watch i just sat in my car in the parking lot in front of the door. Nobody was ever caught and they gave it up after 3 weeks or so.
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Jul 18, 2023 19:10
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It was in addition to their standard watch rotation but other people would pick up maintenance and such for the people on the sailor watch. Most people played cards or board games with him while awake and then read while he slept.
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Jul 18, 2023 19:26
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Crab Dad posted:This is the part that doesn’t make sense to me. Whhhhhhhy waste time sending him back? As mentioned, it's about the cruelty. A few months later we had a sailor miss an underway because he had enough and flew home to Baltimore overnight. When he got back, the captain found out how he was being treated by the chiefs and let him off the hook. Then had a talk with the chiefs in private. But at that point Squadron started asking questions, and everything was scapegoated onto our XO. He was a part of the problem without doubt. But nowhere near the only part.
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Jul 18, 2023 20:36
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We temporarily "lost" sailors a couple times, found one crying shaft alley on the transit home on 22, dude tried to tap in Guam after the collision and was forced to go underway anyways, dude was in SONAR and cranking at the time, no loving idea why we needed him. Funniest one was in Norway, called away a search for a dude who missed muster at like 0130, then a man overboard after we "searched" the entire ship, he was asleep in his rack the whole time, peacefully sleeping through all the 1MCs, sailor who checked his rack saw it was assigned to a British rider, and assumed that was who was in his rack. 2 hours into the search, which had extended to the Norwegian base, with them searching the water in small boats, dude just wandered into CM like "what's all the commotion about?" I almost went overboard one time, stepped in a wet MIP hole while I was shooting the poo poo with E-div topside while I watching them bring on the shore diesel as EDPO, I managed to twist around and grab the lifeline right before I went in the water, and E-div got me hauled back up. That would've been real embarrassing.
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Jul 18, 2023 21:49
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Lose a loving sub to a yardy and people think it’s a good idea to hold onto people pushed too far… goddamn.
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Jul 18, 2023 22:25
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Crab Dad posted:Lose a loving sub to a yardy and people think it’s a good idea to hold onto people pushed too far… goddamn. Happy people don’t make the Excel cells go green / numbers go up.
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Jul 18, 2023 23:02
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Blood from a stone. Souls to the hot rock.
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Jul 18, 2023 23:20
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I had one of my guys go missing in Hong Kong for a bit. Liberty buddies required and curfew at 0100. I was CDO. 0100 rolls around, I check the log and he's the only one not back. His liberty buddies were never questioned because there were two of them. I pull them aside, and they just say he vanished at the first bar. So, instead of reporting failing to find them, they just kept going "thinking he just went back to the ship". >_> 0130 rolls around and as we're about to start calling the local hospitals and police stations, he shows up at the security checkpoint soaking wet and missing his jacket that had his wallet and phone. Apparently, the three of them ordered a round of absinth at that first bar. Dude gets up to go to the head and blacks out in front of the urinal. Wakes up in an unused water tower on the top of a building on the other side of Kowloon.  He climbs out, drenched, and stumbles his way back to the pier.
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Jul 19, 2023 00:45
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hopefully he got service connected for the missing kidney
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Jul 19, 2023 00:48
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Flyinglemur posted:
This is true. I’m a pretty good criminal when I put my mind to it and I owe that to the Navy.
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Jul 21, 2023 02:18
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Internet Old One posted:This is true. I’m a pretty good criminal when I put my mind to it and I owe that to the Navy. drat. I just turn into a depressed drunk half the time instead of only being a happy drunk every time. I guess I pulled the short straw.
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Jul 21, 2023 16:56
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One of the offshore rigs I worked on had a guy jump over the side one night in some seriously lovely weather, no one noticed him missing until his room mate woke up and noticed his bed hadn't been slept in. Me and a friend were leaning over the hand rails discussing this, how his state of mind must have been to jump in this terrible weather. We were both sort of staring at the sea when the biggest loving seal I have ever seen just popped it's head out the water and looked at us and that's when I learnt what a heart attack must feel like. People actually stopped what they were doing and came over to look at the 2 men clinging to each other screaming like 6 year old girls.
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Jul 21, 2023 23:13
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Burt posted:One of the offshore rigs I worked on had a guy jump over the side one night in some seriously lovely weather, no one noticed him missing until his room mate woke up and noticed his bed hadn't been slept in. Wasn’t just a sea lion with no ears?
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Jul 21, 2023 23:45
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First woman CNO has been picked by Biden, can Tuberville hold this up? Or is this an appointment and not a promotion?
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From the NYT:quote:Currently the Navy’s vice chief, Admiral Franchetti will serve in an acting role as the Navy’s top officer, awaiting confirmation by the Senate — a process that Senator Tommy Tuberville, Republican of Alabama, has blocked for hundreds of admirals and generals in an attempt to force the Pentagon to drop a policy offering time off and travel reimbursement to service members who need to go out of state for abortions. So just like with the Commandant of the Marine Corps, she'll be doing the job as "acting" CNO until Tuberville fucks off, Democrats decide to actually govern, or the sun expands over the course of billions of years and incinerates the earth in its death throes. Whichever comes first.
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Jul 22, 2023 00:35
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IncredibleIgloo posted:First woman CNO has been picked by Biden, can Tuberville hold this up? Or is this an appointment and not a promotion? Yes. For 3 and 4 stars your promotion is tied to your position.
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Jul 22, 2023 00:36
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Tuberville is such a piece of poo poo.
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So, on the quarterdeck of the ship, where they have the pictures of everyone in the chain of command, does she get to move up to the CNO's picture slot, or is that just going to be comically empty for however long this takes?
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Jul 22, 2023 00:46
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Wow, that's stupid. gently caress you Tuberville.
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Jul 22, 2023 00:58
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IncredibleIgloo posted:So, on the quarterdeck of the ship, where they have the pictures of everyone in the chain of command, does she get to move up to the CNO's picture slot, or is that just going to be comically empty for however long this takes? I believe that it's customary/protocol. I think you can do whatever so long as the chain of command is okay with it. And Tuberville isn't in the chain of command.
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Jul 22, 2023 01:03
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IncredibleIgloo posted:So, on the quarterdeck of the ship, where they have the pictures of everyone in the chain of command, does she get to move up to the CNO's picture slot, or is that just going to be comically empty for however long this takes? They scotch tape an inkjet portrait over the frame until she gets confirmed.
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Jul 22, 2023 01:04
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IncredibleIgloo posted:So, on the quarterdeck of the ship, where they have the pictures of everyone in the chain of command, does she get to move up to the CNO's picture slot, or is that just going to be comically empty for however long this takes? Ship chain of commands don't include the CNO
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Jul 22, 2023 02:35
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Cerekk posted:Ship chain of commands don't include the CNO Yeah, but the pictures on the quarterdeck of every ship I have been on went all the way up to the president though. I would imagine the CNO was somewhere in there?
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Jul 22, 2023 02:43
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IncredibleIgloo posted:Yeah, but the pictures on the quarterdeck of every ship I have been on went all the way up to the president though. I would imagine the CNO was somewhere in there? The numbered fleets report to the combatant commanders who report to the President There are exceptions like when a ship goes into an availability and no longer reports to a numbered fleet
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Jul 22, 2023 02:44
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Cerekk posted:Ship chain of commands don't include the CNO This is not accurate. US naval forces have two "chains of command," an operational and an administrative chain of command. The operational chain of command indeed omits the CNO. It derives from the Combatant Commander's authority through Fleet commanders to task forces and ships assigned those task forces. Administrative chains of command proceed from the SECDEF to the SENAV to the CNO through Type Commander's (air, surface, subsurface, expeditionary, special, etc), then (usually) some intermediary unit or two: geographic type, a carrier strike group,a destroyer squadron, an air group, a special warfare group or some combination. The administrative chain of command doesn't really meet JP 1 definitions of command relationships, but its still described as such and is an important mitigation to static geographic AORs or functional mission sets and with mobile and multimission units. Edit: And here's another thing Bob, both chains of command might be depicted on the quarterdeck. piL fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jul 22, 2023 |
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don’t forget the newly established shore tycom lol
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krispykremessuck posted:don’t forget the newly established shore tycom lol I started describing in much more specificity, then realised shore tycom completely confused me, which is why things get vague after Type Commander's 
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piL posted:This is not accurate. US naval forces have two "chains of command," an operational and an administrative chain of command. Yeah, both the Bush and the Lincoln had the big chain of command boards when I was on them.
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I'm still trying to get my head around how MARAD manages to function at any point. Right now I can't use the copy machine in the tech library cause its leased by a different entity that can't figure out how to charge the operational entity for its per page use. Both entities are under MARAD so its just moving a couple cents from the left pocket to the right pocket. We don't even need to talk about the management company cause that just adds another layer of confusion. So far bureaucratic inertia has stopped me getting access to the CBMM system, as well as prevented prep for the oncoming yard and the multitude of maintenance tasks without which this vessel will stop moving in a very short time period. I have sidelined the operational entities instructors from 2/3 of the training for the engineering students, completely taking it over and creating my own structure and training program. This was not voluntary, more so that the operational entity has no loving idea what they are doing and dropped it in my lap. We almost sailed off the west coast without enough LO to perform an engine change out on any engine. We only have any because my chief worked at Chevron and managed to finagle a production run straight from the refinery through his contacts. Even then, it was a fight to get drums on board.
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lightpole posted:I'm still trying to get my head around how MARAD manages to function at any point. Right now I can't use the copy machine in the tech library cause its leased by a different entity that can't figure out how to charge the operational entity for its per page use. Both entities are under MARAD so its just moving a couple cents from the left pocket to the right pocket. We don't even need to talk about the management company cause that just adds another layer of confusion. If you can't use the printer how are you going to print out the temporary picture of the CNO to go on the command board?
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I like to think of Mayor Pete as my CNO
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Crab Dad posted:Wasn’t just a sea lion with no ears? It was in Liverpool Bay so if it was, it was lost or on holiday.
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