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fatherboxx posted:You are talking about an anime game titty You're right you've completely convinced me. The japanese should also go back to dumbing down games for americans like in the SNES days too.
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People pre-complaining about conversations Liam might have is annoying but you are worse
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Nov 23, 2015 07:50
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Mesothelioma posted:You're right you've completely convinced me. The japanese should also go back to dumbing down games for americans like in the SNES days too. good thing the world isn't completely black and white
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Nov 23, 2015 07:50
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Nov 23, 2015 07:52
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So, what's exactly wrong for sticking up for artists' vision? I genuinely want to know why you guys feel this way.
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Nov 23, 2015 08:00
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Mesothelioma posted:So, what's exactly wrong for sticking up for artists' vision? I genuinely want to know why you guys feel this way. ZenMasterBullshit posted:Pat and Liam's point, at least about the SF5 thing is "No don't change it because we've already seen one version we know what it was suppose to be!" not that the changes had anything to do with artistic intention or why the changes happened/were happening. Liam literally said "Don't change it once you've shown one version of it" which is a really loving stupid point to make, not even talking about censorship or anything like that, especially when it's in a game that's still, at least in the words of it's developers, still in development. It's the same thing like complaining that the character design isn't 100% like what the concept art you were previously shown looks like. poo poo changes in both artistic endeavors and in commercial productions as they're being made, it's both the creative process and how loving marketing/commercial design works. It has nothing to do with censorship, at least in the way you're using the word.
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Nov 23, 2015 08:03
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This thread's gotten awfully circejerky lately.
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Nov 23, 2015 08:03
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PiedPiper posted:This thread's gotten awfully circejerky lately. Because it's fully transitioned into just being a second Giant Bomb thread
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Nov 23, 2015 08:04
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I think a developer making changes to a game in development and a localization team making changes to a game they are localizing are different things.
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Nov 23, 2015 08:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu5TrpjRS2k Well now that I've seen the game before they added in textures and faces and animations to people I hate the finished product. They should've gone back to everyone T-posing now that I've seen the early incarnation of what the game should've been.
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Nov 23, 2015 08:11
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I have seen the indian titty and the titty was denied to me, such is the dark reality of creativity in modern era
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Nov 23, 2015 08:26
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On one hand, Liam's argument about censorship is dumb and doesn't make much sense. On the other hand, reductio ad absurdum like this:RareAcumen posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu5TrpjRS2k are also dumb and don't make much sense. On the third hand that I just pulled out of my rear end, this entire argument about the argument is dumb and doesn't make much sense.
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Nov 23, 2015 08:35
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I really think it goes by a case-by-case basis. I think the changes in SFV are stupid and annoying, it literally LOOKS WORSE/awkward now. But the changes in Xenoblade I think, are for the better. The 13 year old girl character is no longer wearing almost nothing, but now she's got these shorts and some armor, which actually makes more sense, and is at least APPROACHING something a 13 year old fantasy character might wear. Likewise, I think the outfit changes in FFV are fine, I think the Samus/Zelda costumes are way cooler than the generic bikinis, plus all those girls have lots of revealing unlockable costumes already. We got a better deal on these shores.
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TheRealestMatt posted:I really think it goes by a case-by-case basis. I think the changes in SFV are stupid and annoying, it literally LOOKS WORSE/awkward now. But the changes in Xenoblade I think, are for the better. The 13 year old girl character is no longer wearing almost nothing, but now she's got these shorts and some armor, which actually makes more sense, and is at least APPROACHING something a 13 year old fantasy character might wear. i support any change that causes teenage characters to become more clothed
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I act towards "censored" content much like I act towards "taboo" jokes: I'm fine with it as long as it's not punching downwards, both in terms of social awareness or respect for the audience's intelligence. So all of the cases you mentioned are okay in my book, even if the end-result looks awkward like the SFV one, because gently caress Japan's obssession with lolis and fanservice, it's creepy as gently caress. They are also minor changes with no impact on the character's base design, gameplay or plot, and not meant to simplify or "dumb down" any aspect of the game, so people getting peeved about it just doesn't make sense to me.
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Nov 23, 2015 09:05
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I like censorship of skimpy clothing on teens and stuff like that because it paints a good picture of developers who aren't honest enough with themselves to admit that the gross stuff is inappropriate for anybody regardless of culture, but at the same time are just barely honest enough to admit it might weird out people who already look down on it.
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Mesothelioma posted:Way to strawman, miss the original point, and be outstandingly obnoxious about it. Coming from a thread that complains about Pat, you sure take on a lot his negative aspects. If your creative vision is you get a big chub from sexy little girls in bikinis then yes i like it very much if your creative vision gets hosed with. Hth
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CJacobs posted:I like censorship of skimpy clothing on teens and stuff like that because it paints a good picture of developers who aren't honest enough with themselves to admit that the gross stuff is inappropriate for anybody regardless of culture, but at the same time are just barely honest enough to admit it might weird out people who already look down on it. You know, this kinda cuts into Liam's point about censorship. People think it's just the object retention of a newborn rearing its head, but it's more about going back on the original intention because of outside pressure (or fear of outside pressure) - which is pretty much why these things happen, really, since developers don't give a gently caress. I just think it's dumb to believe developers can't question their own decisions in hindsight after getting feedback, as long as they're not "punching down" as I mentioned before.
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Nov 23, 2015 09:18
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Mesothelioma posted:You're right you've completely convinced me. The japanese should also go back to dumbing down games for americans like in the SNES days too. Liam, you're being devils advocado just to be devil avocets again Also, Japanese games do get dumbed down. Like, frequently.
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Nov 23, 2015 09:55
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Gonna guess that there's gonna be way more wringing of hands, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments in the last couple of pages than there will be in the next two podcasts.
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Nov 23, 2015 10:03
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Mostly because Matt is back. Liam unfiltered leads to dumb 20 minute conversations about not understanding irrational stuff.
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Nov 23, 2015 10:05
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Rhonne posted:Also, since they didn't go on the walk, here's what happens if you walk back to the first room in the game: VIDEO REMOVED Yeah no loving poo poo, thanks for embedding a video with a spoiler in the preview picture.
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Nov 23, 2015 10:12
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Foxhound posted:Yeah no loving poo poo, thanks for embedding a video with a spoiler in the preview picture.
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Nov 23, 2015 10:15
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The Kins posted:If you're worried about spoilers in a videogame, going to the thread dedicated to a Youtube channel that just played said videogame through to the ending is probably not the absolute smartest possible decision to make. Yeah, I mean, the last video is out, this thread doesn't need to give a gently caress about spoilers for Neutral or True Pacifist.
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It's not even censorship. It's two completely different characters goddamn  We haven't seen if the Asterisk holder is now a cowgirl or what, but the characters new costume literally just adds a hat. That's it. Did people even play Bravely Default? Your characters wear goofy poo poo that's themed after the * bosses. The one in the middle is what one of the characters (who's white anyway) would wear as it's styled after the girl on the left, far right they just add a hat, she's still in a bikini or whatever. Holy poo poo this is dumb. Also the term localization has entirely lost all meaning. A company changing poo poo like Xenoblades 10 year old or whatever for the states makes sense because that would never fly over here and Nintendo probably wouldn't push it all that hard if that didn't stay changed because some of the stuff in there is gross. Yelling censorship over that is stupid.
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Nov 23, 2015 10:24
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The Kins posted:If you're worried about spoilers in a videogame, going to the thread dedicated to a Youtube channel that just played said videogame through to the ending is probably not the absolute smartest possible decision to make.
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Nov 23, 2015 10:24
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Foxhound posted:Really? The final video was uploaded six hours ago when I was asleep. How about giving people who aren't able to dedicate their lives to LPs the minute they're released a chance to see poo poo in-game first? But hey, if it's open season for spoilers as soon as the video containing that spoiler is up, fine.
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Foxhound posted:Really? The final video was uploaded six hours ago when I was asleep. How about giving people who aren't able to dedicate their lives to LPs the minute they're released a chance to see poo poo in-game first? But hey, if it's open season for spoilers as soon as the video containing that spoiler is up, fine. Eh, there were a handful of posts basically saying HEY UNDERTALE IS DONE before that one, after I see something like that I just avoid the thread until I've caught up. Also, why I don't leave embedding on for YT videos, hehe.
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Nov 23, 2015 10:33
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The Kins posted:...you could check Youtube before checking the thread? S'what I do. I do and I did. And I thought "Nice, I'll be able to watch the ending when I get back from work tonight, sure hope there aren't any untagged spoiooops."
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Mesothelioma posted:Do you like people loving with a creative vision? Yes, because this is literally part of my job. I do art/illustrations for stuff, so lemme fill you in a bit on how it goes. I will go through dozens upon dozens of character art for my director/producer, and through every round of characters, we pick out what the best designs for both thematic and marketing purposes. I'm going to assume this is quite similar to many other creative people in non-fine-arts industries. Every character design you see in a game has probably gone through multiple iterations, dozens if not hundreds depending on the scope of the game. It's all fine and dandy to stick up for people like me when you go "But, the creative vision!" but when the reality is that the 'creative vision' was curated from pretty much the beginning, it rings incredibly futile and hallow. It's fantastic when dudes like o_8 can get drat near every design of his into the game, but even then there is poo poo left on the cutting-room floor. Slapping a cowboy hat and a pair of pants on a character is just another iteration. It's all just visuals. I'm almost positive the original artist has gone through so many different versions of that character that he/she either doesn't care much at that point, or (what the reality ends up being most of the time) the hat-and-pants idea was an earlier design than the one Japan gets in the end. Like, yeah, 'censoring', whatever. People's opinions if they like the designs or not are totally still valid - the people who make the final decisions usually gently caress up on their end and leave tons of perfectly stellar designs behind. And, again, it's awesome that people stick up for the art people in the industry. But, for poo poo's sake, don't be bringing "The artist's vision!" into it. That has nothing to do with it because the artist ends up so far removed from the final design in the end regardless. Ugh, gently caress, sorry for the effortpost. Just really rustles my jimmies when people use that argument, Liam included.
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The Kins posted:If you're worried about spoilers in a videogame, going to the thread dedicated to a Youtube channel that just played said videogame through to the ending is probably not the absolute smartest possible decision to make. Not everyone is watching every LP the moment it goes up and just because they finished a two month old game doesn't mean it's cool to embed spoilery videos or images all of a sudden. Just tag endgame stuff anyways, it's super not difficult and is basic common courtesy. Maybe hit preview to see what the embed thumbnail is and then url link it instead of embed it if it's a spoilery thumbnail! That takes seconds and is a nice thing to do.
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Nov 23, 2015 11:28
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Captain Invictus posted:Not everyone is watching every LP the moment it goes up
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If someone's not watching a given LP that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to read a thread because people are suddenly posting untagged endgame spoilers. Like do you understand what I'm saying? Saying it's his own fault is really lovely dude.
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Captain Invictus posted:If someone's not watching a given LP that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to read a thread because people are suddenly posting untagged endgame spoilers. please don't blame the spoiler victim
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pulp rag posted:Yes, because this is literally part of my job. I do art/illustrations for stuff, so lemme fill you in a bit on how it goes. I will go through dozens upon dozens of character art for my director/producer, and through every round of characters, we pick out what the best designs for both thematic and marketing purposes. I'm going to assume this is quite similar to many other creative people in non-fine-arts industries. Every character design you see in a game has probably gone through multiple iterations, dozens if not hundreds depending on the scope of the game. It's all fine and dandy to stick up for people like me when you go "But, the creative vision!" but when the reality is that the 'creative vision' was curated from pretty much the beginning, it rings incredibly futile and hallow. I like this post
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Dias posted:please don't blame the spoiler victim
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pulp rag posted:Yes, because this is literally part of my job. I do art/illustrations for stuff, so lemme fill you in a bit on how it goes. I will go through dozens upon dozens of character art for my director/producer, and through every round of characters, we pick out what the best designs for both thematic and marketing purposes. I'm going to assume this is quite similar to many other creative people in non-fine-arts industries. Every character design you see in a game has probably gone through multiple iterations, dozens if not hundreds depending on the scope of the game. It's all fine and dandy to stick up for people like me when you go "But, the creative vision!" but when the reality is that the 'creative vision' was curated from pretty much the beginning, it rings incredibly futile and hallow. You should email this into the podcast.
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I will pay you 5 dollars if you email that and it gets read, no joke
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Captain Invictus posted:Don't be a poo poo I'm puppetmastering you, dude. Anyway, spoiler tag poo poo for common courtesy, don't enter a thread that has started debating the end of a game if you're afraid of spoilers AND you had forewarning, everyone is a poo poo, this thread moves on.
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