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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:Y'know, I'm happy to play devil's advocate. Yes it's likely that a publicist dropped the ball on that one, but how was he supposed to know that this Japanese shrine was the one dedicated to war criminals, and furthermore, why would it even cross your mind that one of the shrines you might visit while on your trip to Japan happens to be deeply offensive to the people there? I mean, if I were touring say, cathedrals in Europe, I would not expect one of them to be the one that like, is pro-holocaust. I would expect all of them to be "good". Different cultures though too, apples and oranges. And even then I wouldn't expect it to be out of the question that some Cathedrals in Europe were built in honor of a Crusade and that might offend some Muslims.
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:Y'know, I'm happy to play devil's advocate. Yes it's likely that a publicist dropped the ball on that one, but how was he supposed to know that this Japanese shrine was the one dedicated to war criminals, and furthermore, why would it even cross your mind that one of the shrines you might visit while on your trip to Japan happens to be deeply offensive to the people there? I mean, if I were touring say, cathedrals in Europe, I would not expect one of them to be the one that like, is pro-holocaust. I would expect all of them to be "good". This explanation only works if you assume that Justin Bieber thinks that Pearl Harbor was just a movie*. All shrines dedicated to the memory of Japanese soldiers from WW2 are "bad", because Japan was on the wrong side of the war. *he does
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Apr 24, 2014 06:28
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The Lina Medina stuff is creepy because my mother is from South America (not Peru though) and has a very similar name. 
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Apr 24, 2014 06:31
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Why the hell are you idiots seriously arguing about Justin Bieber? If I were to have you all killed, somehow *I* would be the criminal.
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Apr 24, 2014 06:42
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:Y'know, I'm happy to play devil's advocate. Yes it's likely that a publicist dropped the ball on that one, but how was he supposed to know that this Japanese shrine was the one dedicated to war criminals, and furthermore, why would it even cross your mind that one of the shrines you might visit while on your trip to Japan happens to be deeply offensive to the people there? I mean, if I were touring say, cathedrals in Europe, I would not expect one of them to be the one that like, is pro-holocaust. I would expect all of them to be "good". He was actually supposed to know that by being a human being that exists on the earth, no different than the reason you or I know that. That shrine has an attached museum that literally explains what its about, you could step one foot in there and know that you were getting into some poo poo that probably isn't the greatest thing to tweet to millions.
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Apr 24, 2014 06:44
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What's the purpose of this shrine, is it actually honouring war criminals or it it like a museum describing the criminal acts they did?
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Apr 24, 2014 07:52
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It honours deceased Japanese soldiers, among whom are some prominent war criminals. The Japanese government has repeatedly refused to strike those names from the shrine, justifiably angering nations whose peoples suffered under Japanese occupations.
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Apr 24, 2014 08:26
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It also has a museum that argues that the war crimes weren't actually war crimes and a monument to the only member of the war crimes tribunal that voted Not Guilty for every Japanese war criminal.
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Apr 24, 2014 08:40
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:Y'know, I'm happy to play devil's advocate. Yes it's likely that a publicist dropped the ball on that one, but how was he supposed to know that this Japanese shrine was the one dedicated to war criminals, and furthermore, why would it even cross your mind that one of the shrines you might visit while on your trip to Japan happens to be deeply offensive to the people there? I mean, if I were touring say, cathedrals in Europe, I would not expect one of them to be the one that like, is pro-holocaust. I would expect all of them to be "good". The Yasukuni Shrine isn't some unknown, obscure thing. I get that not everybody is aware of it in the same way that not everybody is aware of Dachau. And that certain groups of people simultaneously believe that both nothing happened at Dachau and if something were to have happened, it would have been a good thing. That happens because people are ignorant of other cultures and can't be expected to know everything. However, it is a publicist's job to know those sorts of things. I imagine it was just some Japanese nationalist looking to score some points (and they scored big). But celebrities need to have that sort of poo poo vetted. This isn't some trivial thing, it's loving deadly serious in that part of the world. Bieber was probably totally ignorant but there is no loving way it was an accident.
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Apr 24, 2014 09:05
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Whiskey Sours posted:This explanation only works if you assume that Justin Bieber thinks that Pearl Harbor was just a movie*. All shrines dedicated to the memory of Japanese soldiers from WW2 are "bad", because Japan was on the wrong side of the war.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:The concept of police isn't terrible. We just suck rear end at the execution. This is a cool looking building. If I were there I'd take a picture in front of it.
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Apr 24, 2014 10:32
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Shbobdb posted:This isn't some trivial thing, it's loving deadly serious in that part of the world. Bieber was probably totally ignorant but there is no loving way it was an accident. My only experience with the Chinese is through working for a company in a another country that exports products to them and hence we have to adhere to their import requirements, but that's enough to have learned that the Chinese government takes EVERYTHING ultra loving serious, and worse than that, they're fickle as all hell, the slightest tiniest thing is enough to set them right off. If the Chinese government happens to notice this in anyway, he's never going to be welcome there.
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Shbobdb posted:The Yasukuni Shrine isn't some unknown, obscure thing. I get that not everybody is aware of it in the same way that not everybody is aware of Dachau. And that certain groups of people simultaneously believe that both nothing happened at Dachau and if something were to have happened, it would have been a good thing. That happens because people are ignorant of other cultures and can't be expected to know everything. I've been to both. I can understand why the Chinese would get upset at the Japanese PM visiting the shrine, as it means they're paying respects to the fallen soldiers (some of whom are considered war criminals, as you stated). A Westerner, however, is basically just sightseeing, which although that generally holds negative connotations, a lot can be learned from visiting sites like the Yasukuni Shrine and Dachau. You get a closer sense of the atrocities of war when visiting such places.
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:Y'know, I'm happy to play devil's advocate. Yes it's likely that a publicist dropped the ball on that one, but how was he supposed to know that this Japanese shrine was the one dedicated to war criminals, and furthermore, why would it even cross your mind that one of the shrines you might visit while on your trip to Japan happens to be deeply offensive to the people there? I mean, if I were touring say, cathedrals in Europe, I would not expect one of them to be the one that like, is pro-holocaust. I would expect all of them to be "good". I had thought about this again just now. Imagine if it was a picture of him paying tribute to a Mosque in Afghanistan or Iraq, you and I wouldn't care so much, but the general American populous would be up in arms asking for his head.
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Apr 24, 2014 11:37
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Wizard of Smart posted:This is a cool looking building. If I were there I'd take a picture in front of it. Me too. Wouldn't pretend to be honouring spirits or whatever though. He's young and ignorant, and in Canada we learn nothing more than the basics of world history unless we choose to. Like the absolute bare minimum of WWII.
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Apr 24, 2014 11:48
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Rudager posted:I had thought about this again just now. Well, that would be humorous in a grimly ironic way.
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Apr 24, 2014 11:48
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Monkeytime posted:
I'm confused by what this guy posted. He might be mistaken as a fanboy for being critical of a thing?
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Apr 24, 2014 12:31
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Is that guy a massive John Williams nerd? Is that the joke?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Is that guy a massive John Williams nerd? Is that the joke? He is a massive John Williams nerd, to the point where he only refers to him as "the maestro" and treats his two encounters with him as religious experiences. Did Williams to the score to one of the other Spider-Man movies? I guess that would explain his hostility, sort of.
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nippythefish posted:I've been to both. I can understand why the Chinese would get upset at the Japanese PM visiting the shrine, as it means they're paying respects to the fallen soldiers (some of whom are considered war criminals, as you stated). A Westerner, however, is basically just sightseeing, which although that generally holds negative connotations, a lot can be learned from visiting sites like the Yasukuni Shrine and Dachau. You get a closer sense of the atrocities of war when visiting such places.
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If ya'll are curious I live and work in China and my Chinese coworkers were all livid about this this week. Most of them are men in their mid-to-late 20's. Bieber has lost some good fans.
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BBJoey posted:Do you not understand the difference between a place which has been turned into a memorial site cataloging the atrocities of Nazi Germany, and a place which explicitly honours war criminals and provides a positive, revisionist history to the acts of Imperial Japan? Dachau and Yasukuni could not be more different in purpose. Do you not understand that visiting a site and the reasoning behind visiting the site reserve two separate levels of judgment?
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Monkeytime posted:He is a massive John Williams nerd, to the point where he only refers to him as "the maestro" and treats his two encounters with him as religious experiences. Did Williams to the score to one of the other Spider-Man movies? I guess that would explain his hostility, sort of. Danny Elfman did the first one. Maybe he means the Amazing Spider-Man 2?
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Henchman of Santa posted:Danny Elfman did the first one. Maybe he means the Amazing Spider-Man 2? Maybe there's some sort of ongoing war between Elfman and Williams fanboys.
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Apr 24, 2014 13:30
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The guy who posted this was paid $10 to piss his pants in class when we were in high school. Now he's a cop and posts stuff like this periodically.
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Rudager posted:I had thought about this again just now. So you're saying that the people who are angry at him are ignorant morons?
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:So you're saying that the people who are angry at him are ignorant morons? That's probably not inaccurate. I mean really, how stupid do you have to be to get angry at some dumb teen pop star who is known for doing stupid things because he did a stupid thing?
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Friend of mine posted this on her Facebook just now, on her studio's page (I had to blur it since Social Fixer doesn't anonymize page names).
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Gay dude is angry he can't say the word "tranny" any more without THE LANGUAGE POLICE busting his door down. This whole RuPaul thing is burying a handprint in my face.
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bootsy posted:The guy who posted this was paid $10 to piss his pants in class when we were in high school. Now he's a cop and posts stuff like this periodically. Images like this really get to me more than any of the others - you can almost feel the person being so close to coming to a more reasonable conclusion, but for whatever reason they can't quite make it there. Edit: I've just looked up the numbers, and it looks like the total foreign aid budget of c. $48 billion is around 7% of the defense budget. Yep, problem's sure with the foreign aid there. fallingdownjoe has a new favorite as of 16:24 on Apr 24, 2014 |
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TinTower posted:Gay dude is angry he can't say the word "tranny" any more without THE LANGUAGE POLICE busting his door down. Oh man, the outraged comments after they decided to stop saying "she-mail" on Drag Race.
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YouTube still counts as social media, right? In that case, behold the Puppetmaster. Ramen? check. Molestache? check. Linux? check. Ridiculously meta YouTube videos of him commenting on other YouTube videos? check. Unironic use of the terms "redpill" and "bluepill"? Oh you better believe that's a check. Behold him in all his glory; every reprehensible part of reddit brought to screaming, terrible life. You will dance to his song; the people will march to his wisdom. OH HOW THE PEOPLE WILL MARCH. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86BMtYzwkYY
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:YouTube still counts as social media, right? His weird chuckling/giggling is pretty disturbing. It's like he's trying to prove to everyone how happy he is while he is ranting about how evil all women are. What better way to show that, than to awkwardly giggle constantly?
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:So you're saying that the people who are angry at him are ignorant morons? I'm OK with that description of Chinese nationalists. Most nationalists, really.
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bootsy posted:The guy who posted this was paid $10 to piss his pants in class when we were in high school. Now he's a cop and posts stuff like this periodically. I can almost guarantee that this guy also posts stuff about wanting to deny any form of welfare to Americans.
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