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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
anality of evil would actually be a pretty entertaining post-fruedian paper

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Serf
May 5, 2011


Agean90 posted:

techlords saying that bringing it back is bad rather. i need to reset my autocorrect it is now deleting poo poo for no reason :downs:

you had me goin there bc zuck is one of the techlords saying we need ubi so i figured there's some angle of this that they're playing

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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a mod


seriously super lol that dems big idea to attract the working class are tax cuts for jobs, but on a national level.

it never loving works on the state level, the companies pocket the tax breaks and screw workers over anyway, but I'm sure the dems will find a way to pay job creators for jobs

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Al! posted:

anality of evil would actually be a pretty entertaining post-fruedian paper

Case Study: Steve Scalise

Serf
May 5, 2011


lower taxes on the poor and institute a flat 10 million dollar wealth cap, no inheritance over a certain amount, close the loopholes for the tax havens and hang anyone who refuses to comply with handing over their wealth

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Serf posted:

you had me goin there bc zuck is one of the techlords saying we need ubi so i figured there's some angle of this that they're playing

its not even most techlords, just a few weird ultra libertarian ones that blow in from cities I think most of them are completly unaware of those programs.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Serf posted:

lower taxes on the poor and institute a flat 10 million dollar wealth cap, no inheritance over a certain amount, close the loopholes for the tax havens and hang anyone who refuses to comply with handing over their wealth

ask tax havens for hidden financial info for proper rich taxing. islands who refuse to cooperate get a carrier group parked offshore and a friendly reminder that we have more armed soldiers in a ship than they have population.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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democrats are intellectually bankrupt. there is no problem dems won't throw tax cuts at corporations to fix

too many starving kids? dems will give companies tax credits to provide them affordable meals

too much corporate tax evasion? dems will give corps tax credits to pay their taxes!

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

quote:

But Democratic strategists who produced the report say that amid the doom and gloom, they also see reasons for optimism.

The data showed that a significant chunk of the white working class would vote for Democratic candidates if they heard the right economic-focused message. In the poll, the generic ballot flipped — to 45 percent Democrat and 35 percent Republican — after voters heard positive things about Democrats and negative things about Republicans.

so basically, if the Dems get to campaign as much as they want and the Republicans don't get to campaign at all, Dems can win the white working class!

this is pathetic. the consultant class desperately trying to justify their existence

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES


pick it up. there's lots of good articles and arguments that the suck zone would like

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010




:barf:

put this on liberalism.txt

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Shear Modulus posted:

:barf:

put this on liberalism.txt

https://twitter.com/liberalism_txt/status/890973720407412740

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Shear Modulus posted:

:barf:

put this on liberalism.txt

He's right, an anthropomorphic maggot is hardly a man.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



the question the democrats are trying to answer is "how do you convince people you'll help them without actually intending to help them" and they refuse to accept the only workable answer is "have a once-in-a-generation political and emotional genius headline the party" so that people project their own expectations of good things onto the party's milquetoast pablum

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

steinrokkan posted:

He's right, an anthropomorphic maggot is hardly a man.

But Cruz voted for repeal? :confused:

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
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the democrats aversion to helping anyone but the rich is extremely disgusting

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

SKULL.GIF posted:

no war but class war

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Shear Modulus posted:

the question the democrats are trying to answer is "how do you convince people you'll help them without actually intending to help them" and they refuse to accept the only workable answer is "have a once-in-a-generation political and emotional genius headline the party" so that people project their own expectations of good things onto the party's milquetoast pablum
poo poo is all hosed up

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
my favorite type of politico article has rolled around



the transparent buildup of some nobody whose going to go nowhere and has no hope

what do we have here




wait a minute, I think I can do this

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Main Paineframe posted:

so basically, if the Dems get to campaign as much as they want and the Republicans don't get to campaign at all, Dems can win the white working class!

this is pathetic. the consultant class desperately trying to justify their existence
listening to an interview with ronald brownstein here with ... that's right! bill kristol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32K0Q8AmAxs

well it's interesting he talks about how if the dems go full-blown populist with bernie or somebody else, it might fail if the white working class stay glued to trump for white-identity reasons. trump gets re-elected. cue total left-wing meltdown.

caveat here is that bernie beat hillary with voters under 30 more than obama did, which blows kristol's mind lol. and 2018 will be the first election in which millennials make up a majority of eligible voters (although not actual voters). so it's an interesting dilemma.

still thinking generational class warfare is the way to go, but that's for other reasons than simply whether it can "win" or not

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
https://twitter.com/NoToFeminism/status/861285647075524608

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Homeless Friend posted:

my favorite type of politico article has rolled around



the transparent buildup of some nobody whose going to go nowhere and has no hope

what do we have here




wait a minute, I think I can do this



lol

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Homeless Friend posted:


what do we have here




wait a minute, I think I can do this



loving lmao

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Homeless Friend posted:

my favorite type of politico article has rolled around



the transparent buildup of some nobody whose going to go nowhere and has no hope

what do we have here




wait a minute, I think I can do this



Speaking as a Masshole: Seth Moulton defeated a longstanding Dem incumbent in a primary by running on how young and fresh he was, and that's basically all there is to be said about him. No idea what his stances are on any economic issues. He did get a Warren endorsement, but that was in the general against a Republican so whoopdy doo.

It could be argued that that's actually a really strong position because he's a blank slate and can just decide what all his policy stances will be from here on out however he wants, without looking like a hypocrite. But this Politico article is the first time I've ever heard his name mentioned in this context anyway so it doesn't matter.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

I think the funniest MA congressman to get presidential-campaign buzz would probably be Stephen Lynch

aka the guy fending off a primary challenge from Brianna Wu

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

loquacius posted:

No idea what his stances are on any economic issues.

He bucked the Dems to bipartisanly endorse Charlie Baker's charter school expansion, he's trash.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

loquacius posted:

I think the funniest MA congressman to get presidential-campaign buzz would probably be Stephen Lynch

aka the guy fending off a primary challenge from Brianna Wu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfFRv_1XdDM

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
the freddie essay in current affairs is good

quote:

If left-aligned people have abandoned our greater ambitions out of a sense that asking for more is just not realistic under current conditions, I’d understand that. And if they have abandoned those greater ambitions because they genuinely believe a more muscular welfare state is sufficient to mitigate the problems of capitalism, I’d understand that too, though I disagree. But it’s not clear to me at all that this massive shift in the basic definition of socialism, or in the ambitions of the left, is actually the product of an intentional, theory-laden set of choices. We instead seem to be falling into the models of the welfare state without really knowing we’re doing it, sliding rightward as we talk about a reinvigorated left, slouching towards liberalism. The social antipathy that exists between self-identified leftists and self-identified liberals, particularly on social media, has obscured the remarkable symmetry between both groups in terms of fundamental structural approaches to economics. The great left-liberal war is mostly waged, on both sides, by… liberals.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

no its not lol its just more whining that people are mean to him on twitter

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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I guess, if you like pages upon pages of the obvious. no Bernie's not actually a socialist. and no, it's not a huge problem he's called one constantly cause the term was p much dead till the dems tried so hard to smear him with it.

I think it's more worthwhile to get our foot in the door and rehabilitate the term "socialist" than to make absolutely sure that everyone is using the classical definition right this second.

that's a war we can wage when we get there. right now we have to deal with a party that calls programs like welfare socialism and never saw a tax cut for megacorps they didn't like

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Hey this seems 'Zone-relevant

https://twitter.com/RebeccaShabad/status/890986029821423616

:toot: we've got our first contender, and it's some guy nobody has ever heard of :toot:

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Al! posted:

no its not lol its just more whining that people are mean to him on twitter

what, there's literally none of that

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

Homeless Friend posted:

my favorite type of politico article has rolled around



the transparent buildup of some nobody whose going to go nowhere and has no hope

what do we have here




wait a minute, I think I can do this



wow, gotta use that test more

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

GalacticAcid posted:

what, there's literally none of that

its the subtext 2 everything he writes p much. the problem with the alt left isn't that it creates more alt right, it's that it creates more freddie deboers who are insecure about the kool kid socialists

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Al! posted:

its the subtext 2 everything he writes p much. the problem with the alt left isn't that it creates more alt right, it's that it creates more freddie deboers who are insecure about the kool kid socialists

the alt-left isn't a thing.

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
freddie needs a vacation and an editor

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Condiv posted:

the alt-left isn't a thing.

are you sure? cuz i could swear chapo trap house has taken over the democratic party and are currently sipping beers from hillary's skull with president for life bernie sanders

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Homeless Friend posted:




wait a minute, I think I can do this



:thurman:

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Condiv posted:

the alt-left isn't a thing.

it is unfortunately

jest not in the way you'd think, like as you normally think in a sincere way

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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
i think freddie's problem is that he doesn't want to admit his lifes work of intellectual rigor is meaningless

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