|
Blakkout posted:Anyone ever written an addendum to their law school application? I didn't disclose a few moving violations on my original application, and I need to write one before I apply for the bar. I'm specifically wondering what kind of detail I should provide, and how I should format it. I also know that I got a speeding ticket that doesn't appear to be on my record anymore. Can I just say "Approximately May of 2005, this isn't on my record and I don't know why," or what? On my bar application, I disclosed a speeding ticket that dropped off of my record, and stating an approximate date and location wasn't an issue. It was probably overkill, but I didn't want to be accused of failing to disclose. It's definitely overkill for law school, but I don't think that it would hurt you to list it.
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 01:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 20:15 |
|
|
Ersatz posted:On my bar application, I disclosed a speeding ticket that dropped off of my record, and stating an approximate date and location wasn't an issue. It was probably overkill, but I didn't want to be accused of failing to disclose. It's definitely overkill for law school, but I don't think that it would hurt you to list it. That said, I don't think UMN asked about traffic infractions. If they didn't ask you didn't have to disclose. UMN will let you look at your application, so just look at it. If you didn't disclose, fix it. If you didn't have to, stop worrying.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 04:00
|
|
|
Alright, I'm in serious need of some lawyer help right now. This is killing me and I'm not sure if it's right or wrong, or what else I can add to it to make sure I cover EVERYTHING. Please lawgoons you will help me so much with this!code:Joe is asked by ALT - Actually Named Third Parties (Negligence) (Travelers Casualty and Surety Co. v. Ernst & Young) Joe prepares for AFB…Fraud (Overton v. Todman & Co) Under Common Law, an accountant can be held liable to some third parties who are damaged by a negligently prepared financial statement. Accountants are also liable to some third parties if they deliberately make fraudulent statements. ALT can seek damages from Joe the accountant on the basis of negligence and fraud. Tom Skinner can seek no damages, as there was no crime committed for his part. He was already serving time for what he did, and cannot be tried again for the same case. AFB can seek damages on the bases of fraud on the basis named third party Jim Farrell can seek nothing because a company’s stock price is not influenced by the accounting firms, but by market forces. (Oregon Steel Mills, Inc. v. Coopers & Lybrand, LLP, ) Phil can recover damages due to Fraud (Travelers Casualty v. Earnst & Young) Thank you so much! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 05:41
|
|
|
Yeah, this isn't the legal advice or the help you with my homework thread.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 05:53
|
|
|
nm posted:What law school made you disclose moving violations? Just because the bar wants it doesn't mean you need an addendum if the question didn't ask for it. I got bitched out for not disclosing that I got written up freshman/sophomore year for having a beer in my room a couple times. Had to write an addendum to my application explaining how I paid a $10 fine six years ago. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 07:56
|
|
|
Bold Robot posted:I got bitched out for not disclosing that I got written up freshman/sophomore year for having a beer in my room a couple times. Had to write an addendum to my application explaining how I paid a $10 fine six years ago. lol
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 12:34
|
|
|
The Gnome posted:Alright, I'm in serious need of some lawyer help right now. This is killing me and I'm not sure if it's right or wrong, or what else I can add to it to make sure I cover EVERYTHING. Please lawgoons you will help me so much with this! kill yourself hope this helps P.S. you're missing a lot J Miracle fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Dec 21, 2011 |
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 13:15
|
|
|
You have made a few mistakes, which I've stricken through below. New additions are in underline. It's been a while since law school, so maybe some other lawgoons can jump in and correct my citations and/or issues I failed to spot. Good luck on your exam!quote:My findings are very limited, as I'm so lost, but I have found the following information and unsure as to if it's correct or what else I'm missing:
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 13:35
|
|
|
Repeating what I said last time we had a goon ask for help on his exam: If you cheat on your law school exams and get caught, you will probably be denied admission to the bar. Don't do this, you're going to get a B anyway.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 13:48
|
|
|
Sounds like a 1L exam? lol, this is just trouble.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 14:23
|
|
|
Blakkout posted:Anyone ever written an addendum to their law school application? I didn't disclose a few moving violations on my original application, and I need to write one before I apply for the bar. I'm specifically wondering what kind of detail I should provide, and how I should format it. I also know that I got a speeding ticket that doesn't appear to be on my record anymore. Can I just say "Approximately May of 2005, this isn't on my record and I don't know why," or what? 10-8 fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Dec 21, 2011 |
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 14:48
|
|
|
Partner dropped by my office today with a holiday gift. He gave me a little speech, and I think he was trying to be supportive, but it sounded a bit like a veiled threat. "[HiddenReplaced], you've been doing great work, and we're really happy to have you here. One way to get on my bad side is to cut corners and not work hard, but you haven't done that yet. If you want to stay on my good side, keep doing what you're doing." ::hands me the gift:: "uhh...thank you..."
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 15:52
|
|
|
HiddenReplaced posted:Partner dropped by my office today with a holiday gift. He gave me a little speech, and I think he was trying to be supportive, but it sounded a bit like a veiled threat. hahahaha. Yesterday my supervising partner asked me how I was handling the work, and whether I felt like I was fitting in. All of this was said with a smile, and then he said "You know, because it takes a certain type of personality to fit into our team. Some people can't stand the chaotic way we do things." And I was left wondering... does he think I am fitting in, or not? I may ask him today.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 16:48
|
|
|
HiddenReplaced posted:Partner dropped by my office today with a holiday gift. He gave me a little speech, and I think he was trying to be supportive, but it sounded a bit like a veiled threat. entris posted:hahahaha. Do not do this you sperg
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 19:09
|
|
|
I had a partner call me completely unprofessional today because I had the wrong address on a cover letter to him and because I used the word "either" when I should have used "each" or "any". Gah.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 19:30
|
|
|
entris posted:I had a partner call me completely unprofessional today because I had the wrong address on a cover letter to him and because I used the word "either" when I should have used "each" or "any". Gah. I seriously cannot understand how people get this way. I used to get yelled at all the time for things like the # of lines between "Sincerely" and the partner's name. Is it just a ploy to add billable hours? Why aren't they worried about actual revenue producing things?
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 19:33
|
|
|
Well, the address thing is kind of a big deal in my field. If I had actually mailed the package to that address, the wrong person would have gotten drafts of the partner's estate planning documents - which is obviously a bad thing. And he was correct about the "either" thing, which wasn't a big deal in my mind but he commented that "because of those two errors, I assumed that the actual documents were wrong as well." (they weren't!) I think the idea is this: if you can't spot and fix the simple errors like a wrong address or a wrong word, then you will probably miss more important errors. It is also an indicator that you weren't paying attention, or you didn't revise, or you didn't double-check the facts, all of which suggest that you are a careless attorney that can't be trusted with more important things. At least, that's what I'm assuming the take-away lesson is.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 19:38
|
|
|
entris posted:Well, the address thing is kind of a big deal in my field. I just don't buy it. Humans make errors all the time (even partners). You don't want a document that will get laughed out of court but I could spend 10 hours on a document making sure everything is absolutely perfect or I could spend 5 hours on a document that is just fine. I'm not talking about screwing up the facts of a pleading or failing to plead a cause of action or defense. It's the accidental triple space after a period and poo poo like that. Yes I get that I should have only had two spaces (or one depending on blah blah) but it's not a game changing earth shattering opportunity to heap shame upon an Associate.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 19:48
|
|
|
I passed partial sig! e: Now I have to work more for the same money! 
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2011 22:36
|
|
|
Roger_Mudd posted:I just don't buy it. Humans make errors all the time (even partners). You don't want a document that will get laughed out of court but I could spend 10 hours on a document making sure everything is absolutely perfect or I could spend 5 hours on a document that is just fine. I'm not talking about screwing up the facts of a pleading or failing to plead a cause of action or defense. It's the accidental triple space after a period and poo poo like that. Yes I get that I should have only had two spaces (or one depending on blah blah) but it's not a game changing earth shattering opportunity to heap shame upon an Associate. I love going into court and watching the partners next to me waiting for cases getting their double-billing on by going line-by-line over an associate's brief, pointing out typos or changing around phrasing, not even really looking at the underlying legal arguments that actually matter. Seriously, neither the judge nor the clerk that actually reads your poo poo cares whether you used an em dash or an en dash, and it's disgusting how much time, energy and money is spent on that sort of thing.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 01:35
|
|
|
Man firm life sounds like pure poo poo. My boss handed me a few rolled up bills a few days ago and called it my Christmas bonus, telling me it was courtesy of some crooked Somalis. Crim law owns y'all.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 01:45
|
|
|
Abugadu posted:Seriously, neither the judge nor the clerk that actually reads your poo poo cares whether you used an em dash or an en dash, and it's disgusting how much time, energy and money is spent on that sort of thing. Nice not to have some jerk pick apart technical crap when you have a solid argument. I have to admit one thing that annoys me. When people use double spacing on 28 line paper (which makes it have like 26 line). this annoys the poo poo out of me. Oh god, what have I become? 
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 03:45
|
|
|
CmdrSmirnoff posted:Man firm life sounds like pure poo poo. My boss handed me a few rolled up bills a few days ago and called it my Christmas bonus, telling me it was courtesy of some crooked Somalis. Sweet sweet money laundering.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 04:05
|
|
|
Abugadu posted:I love going into court and watching the partners next to me waiting for cases getting their double-billing on by going line-by-line over an associate's brief, pointing out typos or changing around phrasing, not even really looking at the underlying legal arguments that actually matter. I tend to assume that someone who cares enough to put effort into these small details also probably put some effort into the bigger issues, like underlying legal analysis. It's not a universal truth, but I've had very few occasions where this theory hasn't held up.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 05:54
|
|
|
10-8 posted:Here's the thing: when I see work product that pays a modicum of attention to page layout and typography, I tend to treat that work product with at least a little more deference than when I see work product that clearly just used Word's default settings for everything, without regard to whether those settings were appropriate for the task. Ok, but I've never seen a case decided in the opposite direction of where it was headed due to typography, even in the most egregious examples.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 07:08
|
|
|
Real Lawyers use the appropriate em dash or en dash to signal to other Real Lawyers that they, too, are Real Lawyers so that the Real Lawyers can Lawyer for Real together after court over some drinks. The Law is a Profession, not a Business: grammar and typography is what Real Lawyers Profess. No but seriously how does the dash size not bother you holy gently caress that's annoying, especially if it's inconsistent throughout the piece.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 13:11
|
|
|
Green Crayons posted:Real Lawyers use the appropriate em dash or en dash to signal to other Real Lawyers that they, too, are Real Lawyers so that the Real Lawyers can Lawyer for Real together after court over some drinks. The Law is a Profession, not a Business: grammar and typography is what Real Lawyers Profess. It doesn't bother me because I have better things to do with my loving time than preen over the difference between dashes like drink myself into oblivion or cut myself so I can feel something. anything.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 14:17
|
|
|
10-8 posted:Here's the thing: when I see work product that pays a modicum of attention to page layout and typography, I tend to treat that work product with at least a little more deference than when I see work product that clearly just used Word's default settings for everything, without regard to whether those settings were appropriate for the task. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, feast your eyes upon this typography! How could their side have any case at all?
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 15:23
|
|
|
Roger_Mudd posted:Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, feast your eyes upon this typography! How could their side have any case at all? "Comic Sans, Judge! COMIC SANS!"  I have no idea of the context. It was with a collection of law and lawyer cartoons from 1978 and 79.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 21:53
|
|
|
Soothing Vapors posted:It doesn't bother me because I have better things to do with my loving time than preen over the difference between dashes I bet you italicize your commas, too. Monster.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 22:52
|
|
|
joat mon posted:"Comic Sans, Judge! COMIC SANS!" New thread title right there folks.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 23:20
|
|
|
Abugadu posted:Ok, but I've never seen a case decided in the opposite direction of where it was headed due to typography, even in the most egregious examples. The theory behind this isn't that you make a concious decision based on the typography, but that it sets the mindset you evaluate the rest of the work in. Maybe because of the sloppy typography you assumed there were other errors and went over the legal arguments with a more skeptical eye, and wound up on the other side of a close issue. You'd never actually even realize that's the reason though. That said, there's some crazy-rear end poo poo when it comes to formatting.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 23:23
|
|
|
zzyzx posted:I bet you italicize your commas, too. Monster. well no I'm not a philistine
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2011 23:37
|
|
|
evilweasel posted:The theory behind this isn't that you make a concious decision based on the typography, but that it sets the mindset you evaluate the rest of the work in. Maybe because of the sloppy typography you assumed there were other errors and went over the legal arguments with a more skeptical eye, and wound up on the other side of a close issue. You'd never actually even realize that's the reason though. The way I see it, I owe my client a duty to put his best case forward. Turning in work product with myriad fonts, inconsistent headers, tables that flow off the page, etc., isn't putting his best case forward.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2011 00:30
|
|
|
evilweasel posted:The theory behind this isn't that you make a concious decision based on the typography, but that it sets the mindset you evaluate the rest of the work in. Maybe because of the sloppy typography you assumed there were other errors and went over the legal arguments with a more skeptical eye, and wound up on the other side of a close issue. You'd never actually even realize that's the reason though. This is generally good life advice -- image and appearance is really, really important when it comes to interacting with strangers. Everyone could benefit from making themselves and their work-product a little bit prettier if they can swallow the shallowness of it all.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2011 01:48
|
|
|
Business card chat: Gonna have two batches printed up, one for the public and one for attorneys. I've been looking up ethics rules and can't see anything prohibiting me from doing this. However, would it be smart to list the areas I'm targeting for each (Criminal, family and probate for the public, professional liability and personal injury for attorneys) or to leave each as a broad "Attorney and Counselor?"
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2011 03:18
|
|
|
CaptainScraps posted:Business card chat: I wouldn't include practice areas if you don't plan to specialize. You don't want an attorney/potential client thinking you only practice in the areas listed on your card. You don't want some juicy referral not calling you because they don't think you can help them.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2011 03:24
|
|
|
10-8 posted:This is what I was trying to say. It obviously isn't an issue in jury trials, but if your practice is mostly motions and briefs, as mine is, I think that taking a few extra minutes to care about the formatting is a signal to the judge that you take pride in your work and pay attention to details. If nothing else, it makes a good first impression that may have at least some minimal residual effect in the judge's mind while he's reading your argument. I know a judge who straight up told me that if a shoddily-written motion comes across her desk she instantly views it with a negative eye and they have to work harder to convince her.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2011 03:58
|
|
|
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/education/tuition-rises-value-law-degrees-questionedquote:Bob Moon: There was a time when law school all but guaranteed a ticket to a good life. There's a reason Mom always wanted you to be a doctor or lawyer.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2011 04:48
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 20:15 |
|
|
Marc Randazza is such a loving baller.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2011 17:51
|
|
