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GlassEye-Boy posted:The guy smuggled in 200+ pounds of drugs. Was sentenced to 15 years due to him being white. He asked for a retrial and was sentenced with what is the typical punishment. Entirely his own fault. Yes but the timing and language behind all of it literally makes it seem like there are killing this dude as an extra huge gently caress you to Canada. That seems not normal.
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Telsa Cola posted:Yes but the timing and language behind all of it literally makes it seem like there are killing this dude as an extra huge gently caress you to Canada. That seems not normal. It's the new normal, Canada deserves this and much more. This man was shown far more due process than was shown to Meng Wanzhou.
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China is at the "gently caress you Trudeau we are through talking to you" stage of negotiation.
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Pro PRC Laowai posted:It's the new normal, Canada deserves this and much more. I gotta say, I'm really enjoying the Free Meng Qanzhou talking point
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tino posted:China is at the "gently caress you Trudeau we are through talking to you" stage of negotiation. Trudeau is an incredibly weak and ineffectual leader, this is the best way to deal with him.
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Jan 16, 2019 02:54
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I disagree Trudeau is in much better control of Canada than Xi is in china, I mean only one of them has to murder people from countries that arrest his countries rich people.
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drilldo squirt posted:I disagree Trudeau is in much better control of Canada than Xi is in china, I mean only one of them has to murder people from countries that arrest his countries rich people. The point of this isn't to keep China's people in line, it is to remind Canada of its proper place, and Trudeau is powerless to do anything about it. He will also be powerless to do anything about the punishments to come. Over time his approval rating will drop even lower than it already is.
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Telsa Cola posted:Yes but the timing and language behind all of it literally makes it seem like there are killing this dude as an extra huge gently caress you to Canada. That seems not normal. Timing wise, wasn't the retrial requested by the defendant?
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Timing wise, wasn't the retrial requested by the defendant? Yes it was and I may be being overally suspucious and cynical of it all.
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Telsa Cola posted:Yes it was and I may be being overally suspucious and cynical of it all. Not necessarily, it's certainly not good optics any which way.
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No statements made within the Chinese justice system are made under duress. All requests are made with perfect information and full understanding of the potential outcomes.
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Pro PRC Laowai posted:The point of this isn't to keep China's people in line, it is to remind Canada of its proper place, and Trudeau is powerless to do anything about it. The point is for Xi to protect his power, and patronage network.
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I am pretty sure the drug dealer was not trying to move 500 loving pounds of meth out of China, cmon, nobody is that stupid. 50 pounds, I could believe.
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Pro PRC Laowai posted:It's the new normal, Canada deserves this and much more. hahahahaha
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Timing wise, wasn't the retrial requested by the defendant? Well the lower court sat on this case for 4-5 years until they delivered the initial (15 years) verdict. And then they rushed the retrail. So the timing was definitely political. I don't see how you can argue it was not fair. The sentence was fair and consistent. The timing was not but it's not part of the law.
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Telsa Cola posted:Yes but the timing and language behind all of it literally makes it seem like there are killing this dude as an extra huge gently caress you to Canada. That seems not normal. Pretty much. But China just picked a weak rear end scape goat to sacrifice. The drug dealer is an easy target to pick. I dare them try the ex diplomat on espionage charges and send him to the firing squad. Maybe this will start a war and topple the authoritarian government. Actually please don’t there’s enough dumb poo poo going on. Or maybe fojar so go to china and get arrested to further the movement of revolution
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Did somebody say start a war? What's going on in the PLA's weapons programs these days? I'd like to hear whether or not China would win a war.
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Bloodnose posted:Did somebody say start a war? What's going on in the PLA's weapons programs these days? I'd like to hear whether or not China would win a war. With their economy? Probably. Not against all of NATO, but vs. any single nation except the U.S. I'd put them as the odds on favorite.
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Alright since no one is starting a way, what if the Chinese government tried to execute the ex diplomat instead of the drug dealer as a bigger gently caress you? What would be the repercussions ?
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Canada would retaliate through the most anti-Chinese policy they can imagine: raising property tax in Vancouver.
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A Canadian ex-diplomat? Probably a lot of strongly worded condemnations and not much else. poo poo, Russia poisoned people inside the UK and all the Brits could manage was a lot of emphatic harumphing.
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Russians also shot down a freaking passenger jet full of Dutch people and nothing happened. But in this case it would be a court ordered sanctioned legal death of a geopolitical situation. Wasn’t the guy running North Korean tours or something sketchy
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caberham posted:Russians also shot down a freaking passenger jet full of Dutch people and nothing happened. The North Korea guy worked with an NGO and other random stuff, I think. (btw Wikipedia has this funny bit about him: "In 2017, during a qualifying match between the North and South Korean women's ice hockey teams for the 2018 Winter Olympics, Spavor was assaulted by South Korean security officials as he tried to display the North Korean flag.") The other guy was the diplomat.
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caberham posted:Alright since no one is starting a way, what if the Chinese government tried to execute the ex diplomat instead of the drug dealer as a bigger gently caress you? Nah they will sit on those two guys cases for years until a more conservative Canadian government who will deal. Also the spies will receive sentences that's very close to their actual detention time before they get packed on a plane.
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Redmark posted:The North Korea guy worked with an NGO and other random stuff, I think. (btw Wikipedia has this funny bit about him: "In 2017, during a qualifying match between the North and South Korean women's ice hockey teams for the 2018 Winter Olympics, Spavor was assaulted by South Korean security officials as he tried to display the North Korean flag.") What username did he post under?
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Bloodnose posted:What's going on in the PLA's weapons programs these days? Apparently, they started work on their third carrier. I mean, they had started this earlier, but now we see the first modules rolling out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-XkGEHaLzU At the same time, a lot of people responsible for said program(s) are (again) getting to the firing squad for some reason.. China’s aircraft carrier troubles continue with more researchers charged with corruption
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China has a second carrier? I thought they just had the sister ship of the Kuznetsov?
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icantfindaname posted:China has a second carrier? I thought they just had the sister ship of the Kuznetsov? 2nd ship is the copy of the first one they tolled from Ukraine. The 3rd ship is fancier and bigger. I think it will have cat, either steam or electromagnetic.
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tino posted:2nd ship is the copy of the first one they tolled from Ukraine. The 3rd ship is fancier and bigger. I think it will have cat, either steam or electromagnetic. Considering the guys who were supposed to develop the EMALS system for it just got gulaged I doubt it'll be the latter.
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Fojar38 posted:Considering the guys who were supposed to develop the EMALS system for it just got gulaged I doubt it'll be the latter. Last I heard the guy charged with espionage was just the general manager, had nothing to do with the actual development.
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Last I heard the guy charged with espionage was just the general manager, had nothing to do with the actual development. Yeah I am sure everyone on that dev team is gonna be really chill right now lol
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I think the R&D guy already got a military honorary metal or something like that 2 years ago, which indicated they had some kind of electromagnetic trail success. Anyway even a steam cat carrier is a huge advancement compare to every other non-US carrier.
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tino posted:I think the R&D guy already got a military honorary metal or something like that 2 years ago, which indicated they had some kind of electromagnetic trail success. That is a lot to read from "guy got a medal" and even if you're right it clearly wasn't a substantial success considering he's getting disappeared. tino posted:I think the R&D guy already got a military honorary metal or something like that 2 years ago, which indicated they had some kind of electromagnetic trail success. Anyway even a steam cat carrier is a huge advancement compare to every other non-US carrier. Charles De Gaulle has steam catapults, but yes it would be an advancement over a STOBAL carrier. Keep in mind that steam catapults are also literally 1950's technology. Most countries still don't use them because their military posture doesn't require the ability to project air power that far. China is actually no exception since unless they have decided to start bombing dirt in the middle east any theoretical conflict would take place close to China where carriers wouldn't be that useful defensively. Of course, prestige, China stronk, etc. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Jan 21, 2019 |
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Yeah, it's prestige over tech. In practical terms, catapult carriers have very little modern application useless you have intentions on being a major strategic power. Which china does, so it makes sense for them.
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Skippy McPants posted:Yeah, it's prestige over tech. In practical terms, catapult carriers have very little modern application useless you have intentions on being a major strategic power. Which china does, so it makes sense for them. I've got some bad news for them about the geography of the western Pacific.
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Meaning the propensity of islands and peninsulas doesn't demand nearly as much flight range? Sure, but that presupposes China will be perpetually content to set it horizons no higher than its Pacific neighbors, which seems... optimistic, at best. Even if that does turn out to be the case, the capacity for long-range force projection demarcates a huge boundary in terms of a nation's global influence. If you can afford it, then simply having it gives you a seat at a table occupied by the U.S. and nobody else since the end of World War 2.
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Skippy McPants posted:Meaning the propensity of islands and peninsulas doesn't demand nearly as much flight range? Sure, but that presupposes China will be perpetually content to set it horizons no higher than its Pacific neighbors, which seems... optimistic, at best. Even if that does turn out to be the case, the capacity for long-range force projection demarcates a huge boundary in terms of a nation's global influence. If you can afford it, then simply having it gives you a seat at a table occupied by the U.S. and nobody else since the end of World War 2. I mean China is geographically contained because virtually every one of its neighbours is a US ally and China's ability to break out into open ocean is contingent on being able to theoretically make it past the island chain stretching from Korea to the Andamans in an environment where multiple great powers and a superpower are actively trying to stop you from doing so. Projecting long range force only on the condition that your adversaries let you leave port/your littorals is not projecting long range force at all because it will always be subject to a de facto veto when push comes to shove. That's why islands are often referred to as "unsinkable aircraft carriers" for the purposes of the US. The USSR suffered from this same exact problem (non-submarines de facto contained by the Bering Strait and the GIUK gap from entering the Pacific and Atlantic respectively) One of the reasons the US is so overwhelmingly dominant navally isn't just because it's the richest country on the planet by far but also because it is in the single best geographical position on the planet for projecting naval power. Seriously North America is such a good position for this it's almost like cheating.
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The way England took India was as trade partner, who helped some princes take care of nuisance neighbors and stop raids with their unbeatable forces, then ended up administrating some regions, and offering similar help to other kingdoms in exchange for favored trade status. After 60 years or so if you weren't with them you could fall to them at any point. 200 years later India is in the empire. A carrier that could fly sorties into Congo or lawless areas in Somalia could be useful, help out your trade partners and make more money, everyone wins. And you can patrol the trade routes so no need to rely on anyone. I don't know enough about Africa or Chinese trade there to use real examples.
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Fojar38 posted:I mean China is geographically contained because virtually every one of its neighbours is a US ally and China's ability to break out into open ocean is contingent on being able to theoretically make it past the island chain stretching from Korea to the Andamans in an environment where multiple great powers and a superpower are actively trying to stop you from doing so. I don't disagree with any of that either, but it also presupposes that the U.S. and her allies will always be around and willing to apply counter pressure. I don't think it's unreasonable to speculate on a future in which U.S. strategic power is greatly diminished and prepare for that eventuality. As a rising power with global ambitions, it makes sense for China to prepare a strong Blue Water Navy if they're willing to pay the massive initial buy-in. Spectral_beard posted:The way England took India was as trade partner, who helped some princes take care of nuisance neighbors and stop raids with their unbeatable forces, then ended up administrating some regions, and offering similar help to other kingdoms in exchange for favored trade status. After 60 years or so if you weren't with them you could fall to them at any point. 200 years later India is in the empire. Well, it's not the nineteenth nor the twentieth century anymore, but we have two recent examples of global superpowers benefiting hugely from powerful navies. Seems like a good investment if you can afford it! Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jan 21, 2019 |
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Skippy McPants posted:I don't disagree with any of that either, but it also presupposes that the U.S. and her allies will always be around and willing to apply counter pressure. I don't think it's unreasonable to speculate on a future in which U.S. strategic power is greatly diminished and prepare for that eventuality. As a rising power with global ambitions, it makes sense for China to prepare a strong Blue Water Navy if they're willing to pay the massive initial buy-in. I mean I would debate the idea that China is still "rising" but global ambitions that are contingent on your adversaries magically disappearing is wishful thinking, to say the least. Also, a strong blue water navy isn't just a massive buy in, it's regular massive buy ins because that giant fleet needs to be maintained and everyone seems to underestimate how expensive that is.
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