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Burn Down Canberra posted:Steven Smith 200 and 50= 9/10 Could have got a few wickets if he really wanted to contribute.
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Jul 20, 2015 13:56
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I don't follow English domestic cricket but is there something wrong with Carberry? Why wouldn't you give him a go again instead of Lyth?
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Jul 20, 2015 14:01
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TimeWaster posted:I don't follow English domestic cricket but is there something wrong with Carberry? Why wouldn't you give him a go again instead of Lyth? The management are a bunch of racists.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:03
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Someone in the upper echelons doesn't like him.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:04
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There's no way the MCC would let him use that helmet.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:06
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They need to steal more colonials.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:15
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you cant go much further back in drawing from the colonies to get to carberry
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Jul 20, 2015 14:18
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Carberry is a bit old now and hasn't been setting the world on fire playing first class cricket. That said the stepup between first class cricket and test cricket is crazy huge. Remember that gif of Ponting being bowled by Kallis and retiring afterwards because he couldn't play international quality quicks anymore ? well he went back to FC cricket for a year and just destroyed bowling attacks in Australia and England. So Carberry has actually batted okish against the Australian quicks in the past and I would consider that over FC form besides the case of Bairstow where he is verging on demanding it. I don't remember a lot about Bairstow. I seem to recall he had a very faint movement towards leg. That might be a problem against faster bowlers. I think it would be quite insane to chuck him in at three though. He doesn't even bat there for Yorkshire and Englands problem is the top order being exposed early. It is a huge ask to put a wicket keeper batsman in at three against this Australian pace attack.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:20
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We need more kids playing who aren't inbred private schoolboys.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:22
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If Root would like to play three, I'd say put him there. He was meant to be an opener originally, first drop shouldn't ruin him.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:27
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goatface posted:We need more kids playing who aren't inbred private schoolboys. In NSW (the state that produces the most Australian cricketers) its seen as a bit of a disadvantage for talented young cricketers to go to private schools. That is because it takes them away from playing against adults on Saturday. The private schools have produced only a handful of test batsmen. the GPS schools which is an elite school sporting competition has produced 130 wallabies (rugby union) and only ten test cricketers. Steve Smith, Michael Clarke, David Warner, Brad Haddin and Mitchell Starc all went to state schools. I can't find what high school Josh Hazlewood went to for the record but he was playing for NSW by 17 anyway. the other states its not such a disadvantage because they have shorter seasons for the school or play on another day allowing the kid to play grade cricket.
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Jul 20, 2015 14:39
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Bit of googling finds he was playing against adults as a child http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/josh-ready-for-spearhead-role-20121110-294qt.html quote:Athletics, however, was always doomed to struggle to keep Hazlewood who developed his lust for pace bowling when he was thrown the six-stitcher as a 12-year-old to lead the Tamworth Old Boy's first-grade team's attack against men old enough to be his father. He remembers the matches as contests in which no quarter was ever asked for and none given. hahah he played first grade at 12 as a fast bowler. That is mental
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Jul 20, 2015 14:42
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Burn Down Canberra posted:Steven Smith 200 and 50= 9/10 Playing for the English side I would guess. 9 looks like as high as the scale goes for an Australian. Judging from the scores the English players were given I'd estimate he would have been rated about 50 out of 10 if he did happen to be playing for England. Probably my favourite part is the team totals. England 73 points. Australia 88 points. Last I checked the difference was a lot closer to 400  
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Jul 20, 2015 14:53
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Burn Down Canberra posted:In NSW (the state that produces the most Australian cricketers) its seen as a bit of a disadvantage for talented young cricketers to go to private schools. That is because it takes them away from playing against adults on Saturday. Growing up in WA school cricket was basically a hit and giggle, while on the weekends you'd have club cricket on one day, and the best players played junior district cricket on the other. In addition the strongest junior players would also play senior district/club cricket on a Saturday arvo.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:01
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Fwiw, quick totting up of the England squad Private school: Root Broad Cook Buttler Bell Ballance Bairstow Jordan State School: Anderson Lyth Stokes Ali Wood Finn Rashid I'm not sure how it works in Australia, but over here private and state schoolboys alike play for their local clubs in league cricket too, so anyone who's any good plays against adults from an early age.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:05
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Spedman posted:Growing up in WA school cricket was basically a hit and giggle, while on the weekends you'd have club cricket on one day, and the best players played junior district cricket on the other. In addition the strongest junior players would also play senior district/club cricket on a Saturday arvo. Yep, I was reading an article the last time this discussion came up and Western Australia was the state listed as having the perfect balance for private school kids to still play adults. Hence why a hell of a lot of Western Australian test cricketers come through the private schools in WA. Chris Rogers dad played FC cricket for NSW and was going to send his son to a state school in NSW because the private schools were so useless for cricket but got impressed by the standards in WA so sent him off to school there.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:08
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The great Shane Watson went to a gps. Albeit in Ipswich.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:09
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monkeu posted:Playing for the English side I would guess. 9 looks like as high as the scale goes for an Australian. Judging from the scores the English players were given I'd estimate he would have been rated about 50 out of 10 if he did happen to be playing for England. The England calibration is clearly the author going "Should they start the next test? If so, 7+". Anderson's rating for this match is justified by how he could perform in the next one, so they're not even pretending they're not just massaging the figures to make it look less bad.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:10
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In Queensland my experience as a person who went to a GPS school is unless you played rugby you ignored GPS and pursued coaching and competition outside the system. I started competing against adults in my main sport when I was 12 and ignored the GPS system entirely.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:12
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tanglewood1420 posted:Fwiw, quick totting up of the England squad I can only speak for NSW The private schools compete against one another on saturdays. That takes away any opportunity to play against adults. Ed Cowen went to a private school in NSW (Cranbrook) but his principle recognised his talent and allowed him to drop out playing for the school to participate in Sydney A grade.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:13
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Spedman posted:Growing up in WA school cricket was basically a hit and giggle, while on the weekends you'd have club cricket on one day, and the best players played junior district cricket on the other. In addition the strongest junior players would also play senior district/club cricket on a Saturday arvo. theres always a few things mentioned about once a year when a boom young athlete has to pick between afl and cricket, but if they pick cricket i never really follow afterwards how they go, as i follow afl a lot closer. there are a fair few afl players who were gun cricketers in their youth, but at the end of the day i guess the question comes to the likelihood of making it at the top level vs the financial reward of choosing cricket over another domestic sport
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Jul 20, 2015 15:29
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Byolante posted:In Queensland my experience as a person who went to a GPS school is unless you played rugby you ignored GPS and pursued coaching and competition outside the system. I started competing against adults in my main sport when I was 12 and ignored the GPS system entirely. Queenslands GPS season is also quite short and the players are encouraged to continue playing grade cricket up and until the season kicks off. The Sydney GPS season starts in loving october whereas in Queensland it starts in February so most of the grade season is over. Shane Watson for example could play grade cricket and then play in the Queensland GPS competition. Also there is the fact that private schools expert more from students than just becoming cricketing robots. Steve Smith appears to only care about cricket like some kind of crazed cricket rainman. he nets for hours upon hours a day and he dropped out of school....to play cricket. Also and this is probably the biggest story. Cricket has a bigger appeal in Australia across (and I hate to use the term) "class" lines. So some oik like David Warner is playing cricket instead of football.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:30
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Burn Down Canberra posted:Also and this is probably the biggest story. Cricket has a bigger appeal in Australia across (and I hate to use the term) "class" lines. So some oik like David Warner is playing cricket instead of football. i think its hit a sudden resurgence with the better guarantee of a good payday with the T20 leagues. before they popped up most of the guys i knew playing amateurs felt the game was dying a slow death from the lack of young guys coming through in favour of (in perth at least) afl and soccer
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Jul 20, 2015 15:34
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tanglewood1420 posted:Private school: I'm probably reading more into it than is there, but the South just doesn't seem to be producing cricketers.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:35
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Byolante posted:In Queensland my experience as a person who went to a GPS school is unless you played rugby you ignored GPS and pursued coaching and competition outside the system. I started competing against adults in my main sport when I was 12 and ignored the GPS system entirely. I played Cricket in Queensland GPS and it was pretty competitive. I think just over half of the Queensland team in my age group were from GPS which was pretty funny. Obviously it's not going to be the same as playing against adults though.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:42
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goatface posted:I'm probably reading more into it than is there, but the South just doesn't seem to be producing cricketers. Ballance moved to London when he was 15 (got a scholarship at Harrow), but yeah the current team is quite northern heavy. Root went to a comprehensive till he was 16, then got a two year cricket scholarship at a public school, so I guess he's fifty/fifty.
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Jul 20, 2015 15:51
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Airstream Driver posted:I played Cricket in Queensland GPS and it was pretty competitive. I think just over half of the Queensland team in my age group were from GPS which was pretty funny. Obviously it's not going to be the same as playing against adults though. Maybe Grammar's cricket program was just hot garbage 
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Jul 20, 2015 15:52
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tanglewood1420 posted:Fwiw, quick totting up of the England squad If Joe wants to spend some of his ECB money on going to a private school after he takes his 11+ next year fair play to him I say
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Jul 20, 2015 15:56
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Byolante posted:Maybe Grammar's cricket program was just hot garbage They certainly weren't very good in my year. Had the best fields though. Them and Ipswich of all places.
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Jul 20, 2015 16:02
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Burn Down Canberra posted:I can only speak for NSW In England the private schools also play each other on Saturdays, but their season ends in June. My club has had all the private school kids come back to play Saturday league cricket in the last few weeks. So they do get to play vs adults, but they won't play as many games as the state school kids who will play the whole season.
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Jul 20, 2015 16:07
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snaeksikn posted:i think its hit a sudden resurgence with the better guarantee of a good payday with the T20 leagues. before they popped up most of the guys i knew playing amateurs felt the game was dying a slow death from the lack of young guys coming through in favour of (in perth at least) afl and soccer This will be different in NSW and QLD where AFL is less popular. Someone like Josh Hazlewood would have probably had to make the choice between AFL and cricket had he been say from WA but a gangly doofus isn't exactly a Rugby League body.
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Jul 20, 2015 16:29
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Cricket not on the fifth day for two tests in a row, this is pretty poo poo. Perhaps England should doctor a pitch to make it last five days.
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Jul 20, 2015 16:35
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Watto should probably have chosen rugby, he seems well suited to NRL
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Jul 20, 2015 16:50
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Negligent posted:Watto should probably have chosen rugby, he seems well suited to NRL He has never hosed a dog, drank his own piss on instagram or beat his wife as far as I know so he wouldn't fit in.
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Jul 20, 2015 16:56
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Come on Monaghan only had simulated oral sex with a dog. You are making him sound like some kind of pervert 
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Jul 20, 2015 17:02
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Negligent posted:Watto should probably have chosen rugby, he seems well suited to NRL Too big for League, should play Union.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:09
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tanglewood1420 posted:Ballance moved to London when he was 15 (got a scholarship at Harrow), but yeah the current team is quite northern heavy. Yes Root went to a pretty standard state school (same one as Jessica Ennis incidentally). Mind you he's also from Dore, which is the posho part of Sheffield, no jokes plz
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Jul 20, 2015 19:04
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I remember going to watch Wednesday play Newcastle on a School trip and we sat at the Hillsborough end, a drunk Geordie tried to buy our tickets off us and we got to pet a police horse. Our Deputy Head knew Sting or something...
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Jul 20, 2015 19:11
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You're destined for cricket failure unless you spent your Saturday afternoons as a 15 year old having fat old 2nd XI tragics threaten to knock your head off.
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Jul 20, 2015 23:35
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snaeksikn posted:i think its hit a sudden resurgence with the better guarantee of a good payday with the T20 leagues. before they popped up most of the guys i knew playing amateurs felt the game was dying a slow death from the lack of young guys coming through in favour of (in perth at least) afl and soccer The T20 leagues have been a big boon it was either be a part time athlete playing sheffield shield and or bouncing around county cricket hoping for a test call up while you made average money, now if you can turn the ball a little bit, field well enough and crack some boundaries you can make serious money. Shaun Tait has pretty much become a T20 only player and makes plenty of money. In the past he wouldn't have had that option. There have been a few multiple sport athletes I've known who pretty much walked away from cricket because the money opportunities were better elsewhere. Berrick Barnes for instance was offered contracts after school with the Reds, Broncos and the Bulls but chose the Broncos who offered more money. Drugs posted:You're destined for cricket failure unless you spent your Saturday afternoons as a 15 year old having fat old 2nd XI tragics threaten to knock your head off. Also tell you about how they would've played for Australia if not for the politics/knee injury/just bullshit mate.
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