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Liberal apologies are the best. He apologizes for making the comment. Not for thinking that syrians are just kind of culturally dependent on handouts but he's definitely sorry that he said something about it.quote:Immigration Minister John McCallum says his suggestion there’s a cultural element driving Syrian refugees to food banks was insensitive and he regrets it.
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We should just let all member of parliament do whatever they want with no consequences. The ultimate cutting of red tape.
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May 19, 2016 18:18
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Cultural Imperial posted:We should just let all member of parliament do whatever they want with no consequences. The ultimate cutting of red tape. Those are called senators
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May 19, 2016 18:19
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jm20 posted:Those are called senators honestly what's the difference
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May 19, 2016 18:20
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Cultural Imperial posted:honestly what's the difference elected vs patronage, but I bet back benchers do pretty much the same thing, a whole lot of nothing
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May 19, 2016 18:24
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Cultural Imperial posted:honestly what's the difference Members of parliament have to worry about being caught if they take a bribe.
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May 19, 2016 18:26
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Ikantski posted:Liberal apologies are the best. He apologizes for making the comment. Not for thinking that syrians are just kind of culturally dependent on handouts but he's definitely sorry that he said something about it. drat refugees should be more like us Canadians; too proud to utilize social programs for the poor, even when we qualify.
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May 19, 2016 18:29
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JVNO posted:drat refugees should be more like us Canadians; too proud to utilize social programs for the poor, even when we qualify. we are all middle class, no it doesn't matter that I have to work 3 jobs to make rent WE ARE MIDDLE CLASS
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May 19, 2016 18:31
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flakeloaf posted:I do like Chris Phillips as a person but a mouthful of hops isn't my idea of a good time. Pretty sure Dominion City's the name of the place I was talking about, so now I have an excuse to go by there insteaoh god some savage microwaved fish sticks I am loving out The black IPA is pretty good and not very hoppy at all. doesn't remind me of fin du nonde though. Weird comparison.
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Had a chat with my 91 year old grandmother today and she brought up the Trudeau incident, presumably after reading about it in the Toronto Star's headline article. Her take away was that the NDP were exagerating and that Trudeau probably had cause to be frustrated about the delays on voting for the bill. Then she wistfully said how she liked Trudeau, but she really liked Pierre (Trudeau). So based on this informal poll of 1 I'd have to say that the thread consensus is about right: this is not an issue that is gonna garner much sympathy for the NDP. If anything the hint of Ikantski posted:Liberal apologies are the best. He apologizes for making the comment. Not for thinking that syrians are just kind of culturally dependent on handouts but he's definitely sorry that he said something about it. Honestly, the real take away I have from this is that our society is so insanely hosed up about poverty and poverty assistance that we somehow think it's offensive to acknowledge the obvious fact that people who have been living in refugee camps probably aren't on the verge of bootstrapping themselves into the middle class. I don't really get why his original comment should be seen as offensive rather than obvious. Did people really think these Syrians were going to quickly integrate into society and that many of them wouldn't end up dependent on government relief? We're bringing them in as charity cases, why is anyone surprised that they're now drawing on Canada's welfare state? It's hosed up that we think it's offensive to correctly point out that people fleeing from war and devestation are taking free food from the country that just invited them. I guess that his quote on the "cultural" difference could be seen as some kind of slur against the middle east but even so what I get from this story is that in the eyes of a lot of Canadians merely using a food bank is shameful for any extended period of time is shameful.
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Ikantski posted:Liberal apologies are the best. He apologizes for making the comment. Not for thinking that syrians are just kind of culturally dependent on handouts but he's definitely sorry that he said something about it. Using a food bank is shameful and disgusting. It makes you look like a dirty renter, not an owner. He should've said nothing at all and let Canadians shame Syrians for using a publicly available and hugely beneficial assistance program.
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I recall a conversation I had last month with a friend, discussing potential leaders for the NDP. Niki Ashton's name floated up and I said that I wouldn't mind her as leader. As a personal guideline I'm always very favorable towards young talent and very willing to take chances on people, develop them. I'm disdainful of seniority as the be-all-end-all criteria for advancement. All else equal I'd prefer a younger leader who can grow into the position, push the party forward, and bring vitality and energy. And on top of that she seemed to be pretty clear-headed about social and economic issues. Then this happened: Niki Ashton posted:"I want to say that for all of us who witnessed this, this was deeply traumatic," she said to her House of Commons colleagues. "What I will say, if we apply a gendered lens, it is very important that young women in this space feel safe to come here and work here." To blatantly exploit the language of progressivism to attack opponents, gain power, or raise social stature, that's honestly nothing new and it's been something that's been happening a lot the last few years. But to see it from an actual elected official, when we have direct video evidence otherwise? Even Hillary Clinton has more restraint than that. What Ashton said is not only silly, it casts any and all future accusations from her and her colleagues in a very poor light. It delegitimizes actual concerns and problems when they do happen. I don't want people like this anywhere near NDP leadership.
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hahaha that such a loving stupid statement from ashton gently caress all y'all who voted ndp
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Helsing posted:So based on this informal poll of 1 I'd have to say that the thread consensus is about right: this is not an issue that is gonna garner much sympathy for the NDP. If anything the hint of They probably could have gotten a small win out of it if they handled it just about any way other than the way they did.
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May 19, 2016 18:51
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Man, what loving happened to the NDP?
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I, for one, think it's great that the federal NDP is cribbing the BC NDP playbook of being whiny bitches rather than making any attempt to form a coherent answer to the problems we are facing and look forward to their continued slide into the flaming dumpster of history.
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Cultural Imperial posted:hahaha that such a loving stupid statement from ashton Peter Julian is a fantastic rep for my riding and I voted based on that  This is a serious misstep though.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/marijuana-teens-brains-research-1.3559448quote:Marijuana research not reaching Canada's toking teens oh noooo stoners your unfettered access to weed may hit a roadblock 
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Cultural Imperial posted:http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/marijuana-teens-brains-research-1.3559448 quote:"I wish I never started, to be honest," says the 25-year-old, who once dreamed about a career as a golf teaching pro. Truly it's societies loss that this man never fulfilled his potential.
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quote:He says based on his experience, marijuana's greatest harm might be that it distracts young users from more important things in life. Hahahaha, as if life isn't meaningless.
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Le Saboteur posted:Man, what loving happened to the NDP? This has always been what the NDP is like, or at least it's been this way for several decades more or less. Structurally speaking the NDP has historically been the party of activists and unionists (or at least it's tried to be) and for reasons I've described in tedious detail I think that makes the NDP the most likely vehicle for social democratic reforms (which is, after all, how we got health insurance and lots of other nice little crumbs tossed at us by the Canadian state). But the less you look at the NDP's structural role in the electoral system and the more you actually take a hard look at who runs the party and what the internal culture is like, the more depressing it becomes. Just think of all the major recent NDP races. The last federal election, the most recent provincial elections in Ontario and BC, Olivia Chow's bid to be mayor. Tone deafness and bad politicking are second nature to the NDP. I wouldn't advise getting emotionally invested in their success unless you have a high tolerance for disappointment. Brannock posted:I recall a conversation I had last month with a friend, discussing potential leaders for the NDP. Niki Ashton's name floated up and I said that I wouldn't mind her as leader. As a personal guideline I'm always very favorable towards young talent and very willing to take chances on people, develop them. I'm disdainful of seniority as the be-all-end-all criteria for advancement. All else equal I'd prefer a younger leader who can grow into the position, push the party forward, and bring vitality and energy. And on top of that she seemed to be pretty clear-headed about social and economic issues. I've had a similar take away from all this, except that I wouldn't necessarily assume that this is some Machiavellian power play on her part, she probably is being genuine. It doesn't make the comment sound any less shrill nor does it exactly advertise her as a great leadership candidate but it's likely sincere. This is going to be a really depressing NDP leadership election. We've got 15 months to see exactly how lackluster the NDP's bench is. As good as it was that they booted Mulcair there's no obvious choice to replace him. For that matter, it's really not clear how the NDP can break its bad habits. After watching the same terrible flailing campaign strategy implode so many different NDP races I am starting to wonder if they are even capable of running a different kind of campaign than the one we've been seeing since the early 2000s.
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Pinterest Mom posted:https://twitter.com/kady/status/733298271645532160 So if Libs are gonna Lib, what do NDP do?
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Helsing posted:Honestly, the real take away I have from this is that our society is so insanely hosed up about poverty and poverty assistance that we somehow think it's offensive to acknowledge the obvious fact that people who have been living in refugee camps probably aren't on the verge of bootstrapping themselves into the middle class. I don't really get why his original comment should be seen as offensive rather than obvious. The keyword to the whole schmozzle is "cultural". There's no unoffensive way to say a certain culture is more likely to depend on foodbanks. I read it as the opposition asking about the food bank usage because it implies the feds are dropping the ball on supporting these refugees, they made a stupid unaffordable campaign promise and are now downloading the cost of feeding them onto municipal charities.
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Amgard posted:So if Libs are gonna Lib, what do NDP do? "Dippers gonna Dip"
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Amgard posted:So if Libs are gonna Lib, what do NDP do? I'm gonna go for the low-hanging fruit and say that dippers gonna dip
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You're gonna have to be a bit faster than that if you wanna clutch the low hanging fruit in this thread.
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NDP should field a soccer team.
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Helsing posted:"Dippers gonna Dip" 
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Justin Trudeau has just proposed a new Canadian national anthem on the floor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc1lu-WU3hI
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So, good news, Motion 6 has been withdrawn. Will c-14 debate be finished before the SCC deadline? EDIT: https://twitter.com/stephenlautens/status/733314653065895937 bunnyofdoom fucked around with this message at 19:30 on May 19, 2016 |
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The end result of this whole debacle will be that the next time an NDP member gets sexually harassed no one will believe them because the NDP cried wolf over Trudeau giving one of them a shove.
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May 19, 2016 20:05
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Helsing posted:"Dippers gonna Dip" when i dip you dip we dip
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Perhaps I'm just cynical but I feel as though any accusation of harassment that wasn't caught on camera or that didn't immediately lead to a report being filed with the police would probably divide most people along party lines. That's not to say the NDP isn't acting stupidly but I can't really imagine a situation with any degree of ambiguity not causing Canadians to divide along partisan lines.
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Helsing posted:Perhaps I'm just cynical but I feel as though any accusation of harassment that wasn't caught on camera or that didn't immediately lead to a report being filed with the police would probably divide most people along party lines. Didn't this literally already happen? I don't remember how people reacted to the NDP alleging that Liberal MPs harassed some of theirs (though I remember that Trudeau suspended the MPs in question), was it believed mostly along partisan lines?
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The Liberals threw their MPs under the bus. So I don't think that broke down along party lines. Support or disagreement with how Trudeau handled it was largely along party lines.
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The thing about Canada is that because we have more than two parties, whenever something divides along partisan lines 60% of the country hates whoever did a bad thing instead of just 50%. That's why we're all so spiteful all the time.
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As I recall it Trudeau supposedly tossing those Liberal MPs under the bus without giving them "due process" was repeatedly cited as an example of his bad leadership during that brief and now forgotten period when his party dipped to third place in the polls and everyone started to think choosing him was a disaster. It probably would have been politically safer for him to have done nothing. Not that it mattered because as we learned whatever electoral liabilities Trudeau had weren't enough to distract people from what a terrible campaign Mulcair decided to run.
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vyelkin posted:The end result of this whole debacle will be that the next time an NDP member gets sexually harassed no one will believe them because the NDP cried wolf over Trudeau giving one of them a shove. This is a risk. There are actual instances of deplorable violence, sexual and otherwise, which happen to people of any profession. To treat this as a similar thing is dangerous. An apology was in order, just as if I accidentally knocked into you on the street; Trudeau has apologized more than enough, it needs to be done, and any attempts to make a mountain out of a molehill are counterproductive for a lot of reasons.
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