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IceAgeComing posted:This is part of a wider study: in which Indonesia was 28th, one place ahead of France. That's the reason why there are gaps in the numbering btw! Uh, something to do with recreational opioids?
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OctaviusBeaver posted:That's bullshit, the whole western part we took from Mexico was almost uninhabited by Mexicans. They "owned" it but only a few thousands of families actually lived there. They were vastly outnumbered by English speakers. English speakers in California before 1800? What on Earth are you talking about? Spanish immigration, and the colonization and conversion of the locals began as far back as the start 18th century when France & Britain were still duking it out over the Eastern US and Canada, the Russians began colonizing Alaska and Spain rushing north to meet them. It wasn't until the gold rush that American, English, and Chinese immigrants began to show up in any significant numbers.
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IceAgeComing posted:talking of Denmark being good at something Percentage of pieces of ikea furniture per household.
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Boiled Water posted:Percentage of pieces of ikea furniture per household.
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Can't be that with the low score of Germany.
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Boiled Water posted:Can't be that with the low score of Germany.
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Is that why Turks end up sitting on the floor?
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TheImmigrant posted:I wasn't clear that I meant Spanish as a language. Spanish-speakers (term distinguishable from Spaniards) are only considered unequivocally white in Europe. I don't actually think a black or nearly-black Spanish or Portugese speaker from South America would be considered white in Europe
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Kurtofan posted:Where does that leave people from the French Flanders (Chtis!) Catholic, therefore untermenschen At least by American WASP standards. I'm not sure if the Nazis considered Lutherans More White
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Its apparently English Language proficiency: its a random study I found this evening that I lost the link to which looked at how well English was taught as a language in certain countries and thus how good the general standard of English is in certain countries around the world. It fits my biased misconceptions: the Poland thing I can vouch for a bit since I have a weird accent (part Central Scottish, part Southern English) and I usually have trouble getting people to understand me yet I didn't really in Krakow. Incidentally Poland is the most improved nation in the latest version of the study...
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icantfindaname posted:I don't actually think a black or nearly-black Spanish or Portugese speaker from South America would be considered white in Europe I'm having trouble getting this idea across. Only European Spanish-speakers (Spaniards) are as a rule considered white. Yes, there are white Mexicans (my ex is one), but they probably number no more than 10% of the population. The vast majority of Spanish-speakers in the Americas are mestizo.
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I think Europeans wouldn't be so obsessed with classifying them as white / not white? At least I don't remember any Latin American ever having trouble fitting in.
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steinrokkan posted:I think Europeans wouldn't be so obsessed with classifying them as white / not white? At least I don't remember any Latin American ever having trouble fitting in. In Europe? Ever been to Spain? Tell me how well Ecuadoreans fit in there.
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TheImmigrant posted:In Europe? Ever been to Spain? Tell me how well Ecuadoreans fit in there. I don't know about Spain - I know about Central Europe, and that I've met lots of people from across South America who fit in seamlessly.
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IceAgeComing posted:Its apparently English Language proficiency: 
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IceAgeComing posted:Its apparently English Language proficiency: its a random study I found this evening that I lost the link to which looked at how well English was taught as a language in certain countries and thus how good the general standard of English is in certain countries around the world. It fits my biased misconceptions: the Poland thing I can vouch for a bit since I have a weird accent (part Central Scottish, part Southern English) and I usually have trouble getting people to understand me yet I didn't really in Krakow. Incidentally Poland is the most improved nation in the latest version of the study... That's what I thought at first, I know France has significantly worse English than you would expect, but Poland seemed odd to me. I guess they just have really good English education there
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icantfindaname posted:That's what I thought at first, I know France has significantly worse English than you would expect, but Poland seemed odd to me. I guess they just have really good English education there The reason former Soviet bloc countries have improved their English proficiency so fast, is because they look up to USA after being under the Russian yoke for so long.
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Poland in particular hates Russia and is enthusiastically pro-US.
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karl fungus posted:Poland in particular hates Russia and is enthusiastically pro-US. So they finally ran out of countries in Europe to look up to until they're inevitably betrayed? 
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Pretty much everyone's been loving with or loving over Poland for centuries, so yeah.
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Anosmoman posted:
Down with... Idaho?  Also, lol at the sudden darkening of New Jersey.
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IceAgeComing posted:talking of Denmark being good at something LEGOs per capita. As an aside, I find the color scheme and off-white background used in this map to be extremely soothing. It's a really nice looking graphic!
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Anosmoman posted:
Shocked by how low Florida is here.
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IceAgeComing posted:talking of Denmark being good at something I on the other hand find the disappearance of northwestern Africa to be very unsettling.
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Badger of Basra posted:Shocked by how low Florida is here. Despite everything half of the east coast still vacations regularly in Florida and associate it with good feelings.
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Yeah. As unpopular as Florida is in the public consciousness it's still the playground/retirement home of the whole east coast.
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karl fungus posted:Pretty much everyone's been loving with or loving over Poland for centuries, so yeah. This, except every country in Europe with a victim complex. So every country in Europe.
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Panas posted:This, except every country in Europe with a victim complex. So every country in Europe. This is hilariously true. Raskolnikov38 posted:So they finally ran out of countries in Europe to look up to until they're inevitably betrayed? A couple of years down the line Putin invades Poland on his way to restoring the Soviet Union without the pretend-communism; America, totally drained by internal unrest and half-dozen more unnecessary brown people murder-sprees (a healthy mix of domestic and overseas varieties) peaces out. Poland completes the betrayal deck and reaches apotheosis.
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Panas posted:This, except every country in Europe with a victim complex. So every country in Europe. I dunno, how did Monaco gently caress over Poland?
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By being a tax haven, but that's how Monaco fucks all of Europe so Poland shouldn't feel too special about it.
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DrSunshine posted:I dunno, how did Monaco gently caress over Poland? Stole their flag.
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steinrokkan posted:I think Europeans wouldn't be so obsessed with classifying them as white / not white? At least I don't remember any Latin American ever having trouble fitting in. 
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the jizz taxi posted:What's up with that Brazilian guy. It's Ronaldo.
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Trench_Rat posted:-Big Picture-  If you want to bring this back to the whole "Are Hispanics white or not" thing: The European Spanish are white because they are "cool" with the rest of the nations in the EU and AFAIK they aren't immigrating in large numbers to other Euro countries (Or at least, not large enough numbers to beat other primary immigrant groups). However, in the United States, Hispanic people form a large part of the immigrant population, which makes them not cool with our resident wealthy WASPs who dislike the idea of scary looking poor people walking nearby their gated communities. The natural conclusion of this is that Hispanics aren't really "white" anymore in the United States.
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VerdantSquire posted:
Considering many Southern/Eastern European groups began to be considered "truly white" around the time their migrations slowed down, this checks out.
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computer parts posted:Considering many Southern/Eastern European groups began to be considered "truly white" around the time their migrations slowed down, this checks out. My take on it is that they started being considered "white" when people from more geographically/culturally distant ethnic groups starting immigrating in great numbers. In France (to which a lot of immigrants came from Italy, Spain and Portugual), that's people from the Maghreb and Sub-Saharan Africa. Which isn't to say that it's the only reason.
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Peanut President posted:I really hated this until it got to Georgia and then I laughed. I don't get the elf joke
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Kurtofan posted:I don't get the elf joke Skyrim, I think.
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