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Momomo posted:Yeah I know, I meant specifically the part about using a guardian as the final Aeon, which nobody in the party (other than Auron) knew. Something like that really should just be common knowledge. If I remember correct isn't there some fluff about everyone assuming the Guardians are killed fighting Sin too?
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Only one guardian becomes the final aeon so I just assumed any other guardian is killed trying to defend the summoner from their former comrade, which just makes the system even more hosed up. Especially since everyone knew that part.
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Auron was killed by Yunalesca, wasn't he? Maybe all the other guardians went the same way.
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Zonko_T.M. posted:Auron was killed by Yunalesca, wasn't he? Maybe all the other guardians went the same way. I thought that was only because he attacked her. She seemed willing to let him be otherwise.
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Now that I think about it, that was after the defeat of Sin, right? So Auron survived it. Maybe most (successful) summoners only had one guardian 
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Correct, Auron went after Yunalesca after Braska's quest ended, seeking vengeance. She promptly handed him his rear end, yet probably wasn't remotely surprised to see him show up Unsent later on. The big plot reveals in FFX were foreshadowed only through the way people acted towards Yuna and Tidus respectively, which made Tidus' whole "stranger in a strange land" situation hit home -- and also used that to kind of obfuscate what those reveals would be. The complaints about his character are pretty valid, as they probably succeeded too well at making him a ditzy numbskull. Then again, portraying a dude with daddy issues as a guy who overcompensates with cheeriness is preferable to, say, making him a brooding jerk like Squall. And way easier to see why they accepted him into Yuna's entourage, painfully obvious as it was that he clearly meant well (and was too dumb to be up to any shady business). Full of flaws as FFX and X-2 still are, I'm sincerely looking forward to going another round with them when the HD rerelease comes out.
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Crabtree posted:Sorry to interrupt the redeeming part of FFX chat, but what are the chances SE just coming clean with whatever monster they're currently calling FFXV and release actual hard information about the game in the remainder of this year? We probably won't see FFXV until 2015 at the earliest. It's going to be one of the longest-developed videogames of all time at this rate.
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W.T. Fits posted:It's because the main person doing it there was Auron, and Auron is the best. He was also dealing with people devoted enough to what they believed to die over it. It makes perfect sense he would bide his time before revealing his plan is to bring it all a down. It's also the best plottwists they don't completely gently caress up on delivery. The give-no-fucks-expect-for-the-mission old guard samurai dude turning out to be the most passionately rebellious of any of the characters was probably the only time the whole theme of tradition versus progress had any poignancy to it.
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Couldn't pass up posting this one.
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Haha, this is amazing. Short version is that Toriyama wanted to play a game where he could wank to his waifu Lightning, which prompted everyone to poo poo on him and play Xenoblade instead. Also everyone else seems to realize they should be looking at other RPGs for inspiration and forget about FFXIII, so they seem to be on a right track at least.
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Holy poo poo Toriyama
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Oct 19, 2013 12:11
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Reminder, that is The Onion of the game world.
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Oct 19, 2013 12:30
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Welp, totally got me. The almost open contempt between Japanese co-workers might have been a bit good to be true, but the rest was pretty spot on satire.
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Oct 19, 2013 12:56
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"Square Enix Forces All Staff to Play Super Mario RPG in Order to Learn How to Make Good RPGs Again" is not a great headline, or a great article, but I'll be damned if it isn't exactly what they need.
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Probably should've mentioned it's fake, but it's still good stuff. My favorite article though is Toriyama wanting to marry Lightning.
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Oct 19, 2013 14:39
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Dammit, I should have checked the URL.
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I'm actually quite disappointed it's fake, that was a really encouraging article.
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Sounds like they're just a gas leak shy of creating another masterpiece!
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Fister Roboto posted:Sounds like they're just a gas leak shy of creating another masterpiece! There shouldn't be any more gas leaks now, considering they moved into their brand new HQ last year, a move spurred on, allegedly, by a loving fortune teller! Jan 09 2012 posted:Square Enix will relocate its main office to a new building...currently under construction in the East Side Square of Tokyo's Shinjuku ward. Construction is expected to be completed in April. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/128880/This_week_in_Japanese_news_Square_Enix_to_Otome.php Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Oct 19, 2013 |
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That's not just Square, it's a thing a lot of Japanese businesses do.
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It's not even entirely Japanese. Remember Feng Shui as a trend?
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Doesn't mean it's not stupid. Who was it that left SE citing this incident as one of the reasons why? I forgot who it was exactly.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Doesn't mean it's not stupid. Who was it that left SE citing this incident as one of the reasons why? I forgot who it was exactly. It was Nobou Uematsu. quote:1UP: What made you finally decide to leave Square altogether? Was it just that you wanted more creative freedom or you didn't want to be tied down to Final Fantasy projects specifically? Or maybe you didn't like the direction the company was going in when they merged with Enix? What made you want to break out and form your own company like Dog Ear Records and Smile Please? http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=6&cId=3166165 He left because he was unhappy with the move. Or he realized that Wada's new healthcare plan only covered homeopathy and other alternative medicines. I can't imagine why he wouldn't look forward to balancing his four humors with a free colloidal silver enema.
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Thanks for the refresher! It's been half a decade, but I'm sure that fortune is definitely going to come true eventually. No doubt about that, no sir.
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quote:“I wanted to play a game with Lightning in it so I suggested Final Fantasy XIII to begin with,” said Toriyama, “I directed the game, but people say that there are a lot of flaws in it. At the time, I did not see how that was possible, but I told the other members to be ruthless in their criticism. They actually just kept complaining about Lightning and at one point I said that they should criticize the actual game rather than talk about her. They would not stop.” I want this to be true so badly. Xenoblade did a lot of things right and SE would do well to take notes. That's not say it was perfect, the game had a bunch of glaring flaws. But it was still head and shoulders above FFXIII.
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It is a shame. I like the FF series and have been playing DQ8 for the first time. Is the expense of making AAA titles and the need to appeal to a new demographic behind the fall in quality? Or, are the people running the company just incompetent. Moving an office because of a fortune teller. Why do shareholders put up with that?
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What was that event where they revealed a painting of Lightning like it was a media? I remember it was an event purely to hype up Lightning Returns and that Motomu Toriyama said he keeps a framed picture of Claire at his desk and brought a vase full of roses on stage in order to accurately describe her. It was completely independent of P4Gaming and they were legit words and actions straight from Mr. FFXIII.
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From earlier in the thread.Calaveron posted:To better describe how much of a creep Toriyama is, I've brought this picture with me here today.
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Level Slide posted:What was that event where they revealed a painting of Lightning like it was a media? Was it this painting that was unveiled then?   Nice spine, Lightning 
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Her legs put Bayonetta to shame.
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In retrospect it's pretty funny how many people were praising Lightning as a strong female character. It was always stupid, mind you, but the "we made her tits bigger and put her in a maid outfit" really saves a lot of time on arguments.
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BioMe posted:In retrospect it's pretty funny how many people were praising Lightning as a strong female character. It was always stupid, mind you, but the "we made her tits bigger and put her in a maid outfit" really saves a lot of time on arguments. Clearly, they meant it in the Hark! A Vagrant sense.
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Hedera Helix posted:Clearly, they meant it in the Hark! A Vagrant sense. Way too layered for Square, man. They aren't named after a two-dimensional object for nothing.
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I thought she was alright in the first game. Then it all went downhill fast.
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Lightning was actually good in the first game. That's why they went out of their way to make sure Lightning Returns erased any chance of that sticking around because they gotta gently caress everything up I guess.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Was it this painting that was unveiled then? Yup, that's the one. Also I meant to type "media darling" but only put "media" instead. That sure is a form of media, though 
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Wow. For something associated with a company known for creating gorgeous-looking art, that's completely terrible. While the background cityscape is passable, the foreground is a wreck. It's not clear what Lightning is supposed to be sitting on, nor if those tiled panels are sloping down from the wall or just in bad perspective. The overall composition feels imbalanced, and their use of nothing but blues and greys makes it dull and lifeless. Lightning herself, though.  Is that supposed to be her leg, because it doesn't remotely appear to be a part of her -- some disembodied limb that she's sitting next to. What the hell is she wearing? Why is her sword resting blade-down on her bare arm? Is she supposed to be tying her shoes?
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Well, I am now 9 1/2 hours into 13 and it feels like I've been doing the exact same things over and over again. Fighting the same type of enemies (of which there seem to be 2 of. swarm of weaker ones or fewer with lots of HP) and running down one long corridor. The latter wouldn't be so bad if the enemies didn't feel like the first two you encounter, reskinned about a hundred times. I would like to beat this game since I bought it and the sequel, but I just have to know.. does it get any better? 
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Geek U.S.A. posted:Well, I am now 9 1/2 hours into 13 and it feels like I've been doing the exact same things over and over again. Fighting the same type of enemies (of which there seem to be 2 of. swarm of weaker ones or fewer with lots of HP) and running down one long corridor. Yes, but you've still got a while to go before it does. You're gonna be waiting until about chapter 10.
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I hope you got it on sale. Things really only start to get fun rather late in the game, sadly, and that fun is undermined by the plot dangling overhead.
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