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CalvinDooglas posted:It's exactly the same, you just read an octave higher than it sounds. Okay I'll confess there's some notational stuff I don't know the meaning of. Which is perhaps a limitation of my musical reading ability and not guitar specific. Like - the difference between it showing a chord that's a stemmed diamond and when it's just a stemmed slash. (Excuse my highly technical descriptions.)
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Nov 11, 2011 19:28
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I'm a bit unclear what you mean by stemmed diamond. Diamond shaped notes usually indicate harmonics. You make a harmonic on the fret that, if pressed, would sound that note. There should be a string indication above or below the staff, too. The slashes are strum accents. You only see that if you're reading chord diagrams for accompaniment.
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Nov 11, 2011 20:42
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Like this: Wait. Aw, shucks. That's just freaking time value, isn't it? 
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Manky posted:Like this: Yep. Play a Db chord for 2 beats, then Cb/Db for 2 beats.
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Nov 11, 2011 21:49
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Those are some goofy half notes.
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Last month I bought a Yamaha FG700S as my first guitar. I'm pretty happy with the guitar so far, but I've got a pretty big question. I recently heard this song and decided that rather than straight-up acoustic, I wanted to learn slide guitar. I realize that I would be a more-rounded musician if I learned the regular basics first, but is it possible/wise to learn some good stuff slide before dropping back to learning the other stuff? If so, is there a book I ought to start with? I also realize I should get lessons no matter what I decide, but my schedule's pretty random and I got this guitar as something to practice in whatever downtime I get. Basically, is it possible to learn slide guitar from the beginning? If so, what's the best way? And if not, at what point could I diverge from the regular course to start?
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Nov 11, 2011 22:31
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Well a proper slide guitar is a completely different animal from what you have right now. I think it is definitely possible to learn slide from the start, but to do so on a guitar like that might not only be frustrating, but also lead to bad technique. The biggest difference I have found in playing slide is that it often utilizes non-standard tunings. I would really suggest first getting comfy with standard EADGBE and at least familiar with some of the theory behind it. Basically you'll want to know not only which notes will sound good to slide too, but where they actually are on the neck. It will make you a better player overall, and it makes orienting yourself when using a different tuning much easier. I suppose you can start with whatever tuning you like, but as the name implies, standard has way more resources available for and oriented towards beginners. A question of my own: I've been working on my lead playing, and can't seem to break my rhythmic patterns. I end up just switching eighth/sixteenth notes for my strum pattern and end up following a predictable pattern of notes in whatever scale accompanies the overall chord progression, with a few cliche sounding licks thrown in for good measure. I would like to know: A) Are there some good books/ resources I should be looking into which would help here? and B) What are some decent simple songs with strong lead parts that aren't too fast to just play along with by ear? I think this is what I need most as I normally just play along with the rhythm guitar as the leads in the music I listen too are usually way above my level. I have sat down and worked out the parts to a couple songs I like, but I don't really know why it works or how to make it work on a different song.
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Nov 11, 2011 23:39
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Start learning licks from song you like. Practice them until you wake up with them stuck in your head. Then take them apart, make sure you can count the beats/subdivisions, etc. Interesting rhythms usually take a bit of forethought, so sit down and work out new patterns of your own, too, rather than just improvise with tunes.
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ItalicSquirrels posted:Last month I bought a Yamaha FG700S as my first guitar. I'm pretty happy with the guitar so far, but I've got a pretty big question. I recently heard this song and decided that rather than straight-up acoustic, I wanted to learn slide guitar. Cheap acoustic guitars can actually be pretty good to learn slide on, since a lot of times they're not set up well and have pretty high action. quote:I realize that I would be a more-rounded musician if I learned the regular basics first, but is it possible/wise to learn some good stuff slide before dropping back to learning the other stuff? Don't think of the regular basics and slide as two separate areas of study. Slide is just a different technical approach to the guitar. Everything you learn... chords, scales, arpeggios, etc... will be useful for slide playing. I would instead approach it as, "Learn the regular basics, while also learning how to apply them to slide." quote:If so, is there a book I ought to start with? I also realize I should get lessons no matter what I decide, but my schedule's pretty random and I got this guitar as something to practice in whatever downtime I get. I wrote a post on slide guitar technique in the old Intermediate Guitar thread (you might need Archives to find it), and you can feel free to ask me any questions. A good teacher would be best, though. quote:Basically, is it possible to learn slide guitar from the beginning? If so, what's the best way? And if not, at what point could I diverge from the regular course to start? Yeah, you can learn it from the start. The important thing with slide is to make sure you have a solid technical foundation, so focus on that while simultaneously learning the usual basic materials.
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Nov 12, 2011 01:32
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Xlyfindel posted:Well a proper slide guitar is a completely different animal from what you have right now. I think it is definitely possible to learn slide from the start, but to do so on a guitar like that might not only be frustrating, but also lead to bad technique. Porn Thread posted:"Learn the regular basics, while also learning how to apply them to slide." Bonus, thanks folks.
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Oh boy, hi guys! My brother lent me his Squier strat so I could learn me some guitar. I took guitar in high school, but that was probably 15+ years ago. I may as well be completely new to this. This is really daunting, but I'm having a good time. It's basically day two and while I feel I have Fry's "stupid fingers" I'm having a good time making mistakes and figuring out what I'm doing wrong. I'm following along with justinguitar.com and when I'm not I'm just trying to pluck out some random tabs to play with Amplitude. Here's what I'm noticing right now: - I have absolutely zero feel for how to hold my fret hand. I am constantly muffling strings with fingers. I don't have fat fingers or anything either, I'm just very green with how and where to fret. - Picking is absolutely a nightmare. I am just doodling around picking Hunger Strike by Temple of the Dog and while it's a lot of fun to hear the end product when it works out, half the time I'm hitting the wrong string. I have no picking "technique" so I'm trying to pick how it feels most natural, but sometimes I'm noticing I'm moving my fingers above a string only to pick it downwards instead of picking it upwards and saving some effort. I might just not be very comfortable with the entire motion yet, and indeed I'm not really comfortable with holding my hand against the strings. I'm using my pinky finger to brace my hand against the pickguard or my hand naturally wants to just lean against the strings. - I'm constantly leaning over to look at the frets and strings. I hope I get a better feel for what's where soon because bending over and/or holding the guitar at that angle makes fretting really difficult. Anyway, I'm not bitching or anything, and I'm not really sure what this post is intended as, but I'm having a good time and honestly when I pop my headphones on and hear that sound it makes all the frustration worthwhile  I'm sure most of my problems will start to disappear as I get more comfortable with the instrument. Like I said, I'm basically on day two and I'm trying to keep my expectations realistic so I don't get discouraged quickly. I don't really have the money for lessons or I'd probably go that route.
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You need to try and fret with the tips of your fingers, coming straight down from above the fretboard (relative to however it's facing). You'll learn exceptions to this later but that's the key idea, so you need to get used to that kinda of technique. So long as you focus on doing it it'll come naturally with practice. And yeah you're talking about alternate picking, which you should definitely learn at first (or some variation like economy picking - alternate picking's easier for when you're starting out though in my opinion). Take a looky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1ETtvhPqdQ Basically you just need to practice it a lot, over and over steadily while your muscle memory builds and your hands get used to just doing what's needed. Getting comfortable picking in both directions is definitely something you want to start on early, it really sucks when you realise you need to be able to do it but your down-picking skill level is completely unmatched going the other way. Even 10 minutes a day (preferably to a metronome) will see your ultimate power start to develop pretty quickly Video here about finger placement too: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-106-PostureFingerPlacement.php And this exercise might help as well: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-135-FingerWorkout.php You could combine that one with alternate picking to work on both at once, when you have the basics of each of them down
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Thanks for this. I'm definitely trying to follow his suggestions, but me turning the guitar slightly to look at it means I'm having just that much more of a difficult time fretting with just the tips of my fingers. Hopefully staring down at the frets is just a thing that I'll quickly get accustomed to not doing. Right now I get ridiculously lost if I'm not looking down every few seconds. In retrospect I'm actually really happy with how comfortable I am with this on day two, considering yesterday I could barely make any recognizable sounds come out of the guitar
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Oh definitely don't turn the guitar to look at it - you should be holding it like he does in the posture video, flat against you. You might have to crane your neck a bit (he actually recommends a mirror) but you need to get used to the guitar being where it's supposed to be. Your fingers will learn where to go in time, but don't be afraid of looking at them on the fretboard either. You learn the hand-eye coordination before you get your fingers independent This kind of stuff's great when you're watching tv - just sit back with your guitar unplugged and pluck away getting used to the feel, especially if you don't mind having a metronome clicking away quietly in the background. A good exercise you can do is to start on the bottom (thickest) string and play frets 1 2 3 4 in order, your four fingers handling one fret each - so index (1), middle (2), ring (3), pinky (4). Then you play the same on the 5th string, then the 4th, all the way up to the top. That's called one finger per fret for obvious reasons, and the idea is your hand stays in one place and you have a block of four frets under your fingers, each finger handling its own fret. When your hand's over frets 1-4 you're in 1st position, and when you've reached the top string and played 1 2 3 4 you shift your hand to 2nd position and play 2 3 4 5, and work your way back down the strings, then 3rd position and work up 3 4 5 6 and you get the idea. The idea's that your hand moves as little as possible, and when it does move you relax your grip and shift it lightly - try not to let your thumb drag on the neck or your fingers squeak by touching the strings (this is hard to unlearn). The one-finger-per-fret thing is pretty tough down at the lower frets, so you might want to start at the 5th or the 7th position at first, and start lower as your fingers get stronger. I know this isn't as fun as playing songs but it'll give you a strong foundation, and like I said you can do it while you're watching TV or whatever (it's still a good idea to do 10 or 15 minutes of focused practice as well though)
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Martytoof posted:Thanks for this. I'm definitely trying to follow his suggestions, but me turning the guitar slightly to look at it means I'm having just that much more of a difficult time fretting with just the tips of my fingers. Use your left leg, classical style. I made a post last page about why it's far better ergonomically for playing.
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Just tried it and it feels a little better, but I'll give it a good shot after football when I have some time to actually practice. Do you think it'll hinder development in learning to play standing up later on? I don't mind learning holding it in the classical style, but I'm wondering if it's worth the growing pains to just learn how I'll eventually imagine myself playing down the road. It definitely felt easier to check my fret hand the way you suggested.
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Nov 12, 2011 21:29
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Martytoof posted:Just tried it and it feels a little better, but I'll give it a good shot after football when I have some time to actually practice. Hinder? Nah, when standing up the guitar falls somewhere in between your right and left legs anyway. But the best way to ensure you're comfortable playing standing up is to practise while standing. Just don't try to be "cool" and wear your guitar too low. Wear it at a proper height, and you shouldn't have troubles:   Bonus hella smug image: 
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Nov 12, 2011 23:51
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Oh I'm not too worried about playing it at my knees. I cinched the strap up tight so it's basically the same distance from my head standing up as it is when i'm sitting down
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Do any of you guys have any experience with Yamaha acoustic guitars? I don't know too much about them, but they are a brand that is offered locally. I'm always weary about brands that do a bunch of different, unrelated product lines.
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Nov 15, 2011 05:43
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Koth posted:Do any of you guys have any experience with Yamaha acoustic guitars? I don't know too much about them, but they are a brand that is offered locally. I'm always weary about brands that do a bunch of different, unrelated product lines. Yamaha makes really nice guitars. Yamaha started as a musical instrument company (their logo is three tuning forks) who happens to make everything now. Their beginner guitars are a steal at the price. The FG700S is a great first acoustic.
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Koth posted:Do any of you guys have any experience with Yamaha acoustic guitars? I don't know too much about them, but they are a brand that is offered locally. I'm always weary about brands that do a bunch of different, unrelated product lines. I've owned 2 for about 10 years and have had zero problems. Nice sound, good feel, etc.
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hawk989s posted:Yamaha makes really nice guitars. Yamaha started as a musical instrument company (their logo is three tuning forks) who happens to make everything now. Their beginner guitars are a steal at the price. The FG700S is a great first acoustic. Cool, thanks.
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Yamaha is great, buy as many as you can.
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This is possibly not an answerable question but when learning the guitar and training your ear for recognizing chords, is there anything to do to correct specific sounds you aren't differentiating correctly? I have been doing the `JUSTIN' exercises from justinguitar and checking my answers along with his and up until the stage 4 one I had almost no incorrect answers but now I have a bunch of wrong answers (maybe 1/3 of my answers from stage 4 were wrong). Like, can I systematically work through the sounds I got wrong or is there no point to even checking which/how many I get correct?
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It's definitely worth working through them again and working out which you're getting wrong and why. You're trying to develop an ear to pick out the nuances in the sound, and that's going to get a bit harder as the differences become less obvious, so listening carefully is the key. That's not to say you need to get them 100% right or anything, but it's a good idea to try and work out where you're going wrong and listen really carefully to the differences, and then go back and see if you can hear those differences in the exercise. Which ones did you get wrong? Were you confusing the D Major and the D7 sometimes, or another pair, or was it all three? Was there a chord you got consistently right? Or was it one of the other exercises?
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Seashell Salesman posted:This is possibly not an answerable question but when learning the guitar and training your ear for recognizing chords, is there anything to do to correct specific sounds you aren't differentiating correctly? I have been doing the `JUSTIN' exercises from justinguitar and checking my answers along with his and up until the stage 4 one I had almost no incorrect answers but now I have a bunch of wrong answers (maybe 1/3 of my answers from stage 4 were wrong). Like, can I systematically work through the sounds I got wrong or is there no point to even checking which/how many I get correct? Hell yeah its worth going through them again and again, just because you know the answers doesn't mean anything. Training your ear is just that training. It's an all the time over and over again thing, thankfully once you get going you can do it whenever you listen to music, try and pick bits out, but there is a golf club style learning curve, its quite easy then blamo, oh god what, but power through, even if you know the answers listen carefully and work out what the difference is. Its really hard to describe how you hear and interpret sound in your own head in a quantitative way, but you need to set up your own internal points of reference\recognition and the only way to do that is to repeat and concentrate. You need to be saying thats a Dmaj because it sounds like Dmaj not because you know its the answer having done the exercise 50 times before. I dunno which part of which exercise you seem to have come unstuck on but different people catch on different things, so work out what mislead you, and find a way in your head to differentiate between what you think it was and what it was.
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baka kaba posted:Which ones did you get wrong? Were you confusing the D Major and the D7 sometimes, or another pair, or was it all three? Was there a chord you got consistently right? Or was it one of the other exercises? I thought I was going to have trouble with the dominant seventh chords and the majors, but I got that CQR section completely right. I was confusing Em and Am a bunch even though I thought I could recognize the difference from the previous exercises, and I thought three different Cs were Am, A, and Fmaj7. I consistently got G, G7, and B7 correct. I don't know if there is any rhyme or reason to those results, I think probably just adding 4 extra possibilities pushed me over being able to keep track. Thanks for the encouragement and ideas, guys, I'll focus on more listening in my daily practice routine. Cast_No_Shadow good suggestion about picking the individual notes to see which are different, I think that might be the key.
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Nov 17, 2011 00:15
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Seashell Salesman posted:I thought I was going to have trouble with the dominant seventh chords and the majors, but I got that CQR section completely right. I was confusing Em and Am a bunch even though I thought I could recognize the difference from the previous exercises, and I thought three different Cs were Am, A, and Fmaj7. I consistently got G, G7, and B7 correct. I don't know if there is any rhyme or reason to those results, I think probably just adding 4 extra possibilities pushed me over being able to keep track. Yeah I find picking out the chord quality is way easier than what the root note is. Also take heart, when you move into using your ear to pull songs apart, its going to be formulaic as gently caress in like 90% of cases. Hello there I-IV-V and i-III-IV-VI I see you, I see you loving everywhere. As for why some are harder, I'm going to take a wild uninformed guess and say your ears\brain like\remembers Frequencies between X and Y better but has trouble Y through Z or some poo poo, it'll come eventually. Cast_No_Shadow fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Nov 17, 2011 |
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Nov 17, 2011 00:38
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Am is the relative minor of C major, so they're definitely connected and it's not a massive surprise you got those confused. Fmaj7 shares a couple of notes with C as well, and it's a strongly related chord. Probably the best thing to do when you get one wrong is to play it, then play the correct one (on your own guitar preferably) and listen carefully to hear the differences and kinda form an idea of the sound. C and Fmaj7 share notes (as do C and Am) but they have their own individual sounds and characters. Ideally you'll hear an Fmaj7 and not immediately think 'that's a major chord', you'll hear that melancholic major 7th quality to it and at least realise there's something else happening in there. In a way it's like turning the lights off and developing night vision, at first all you can see are vague shapes but the more you concentrate the more you start to notice detail... One other tip, try to clear your mind after each chord, as in wiping it from your mind. Cleansing your palate. Reason is we're used to hearing certain chords together, so if you hear one it might trigger a kind of expectation in your mind and influence how you hear another one. That sounds kinda weird and might not be something that really happens to you, but worth keeping in mind when you're starting out at least
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I feel like I have basic rhythm and ideas about progressions down. Right now I can still basically only strum - which is fine since I play with some friends now and they handle the tough stuff . I wanted to mess around and try recording some stuff for myself to be able to hear what mistakes I am making, etc. I hooked up my little effects processor to my soundcard and the recordings were really...flat and muffled I guess? I'm assuming I need some piece of equipment I can plug my cable into from out of my processor that would then plug into the soundcard so things don't sound so awful. Anyone have any recommendations? Here's a quick thing I did for some GBS thread about mermaids over someone's fish lyrics (ignore the joke singing  ). The guitar just sounds really crappy IMO: Thanks for the advice - I don't know jack about any of this stuff
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Nov 18, 2011 18:57
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The jack goes in the hole in the side of your guitar.
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Oh god, I'm so bored at work right now.
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Seashell Salesman posted:I thought I was going to have trouble with the dominant seventh chords and the majors, but I got that CQR section completely right. I was confusing Em and Am a bunch even though I thought I could recognize the difference from the previous exercises, and I thought three different Cs were Am, A, and Fmaj7. I consistently got G, G7, and B7 correct. I don't know if there is any rhyme or reason to those results, I think probably just adding 4 extra possibilities pushed me over being able to keep track. Am I understanding you right in that you're trying to train absolute pitch? I don't believe everyone has a viable capacity for that, though others may disagree. Telling Am from Em is difficult for anyone even if they are already good at discerning chord quality. What you should mostly be focusing on is trying to distinguish different kinds of chords, not different chord roots. When you don't instantly recognise the colour of a chord, try to work it out systematically: first determine which tone is the root, and based on that determine the type of third (major, minor, suspended (2 or 4)). Then see if there is anything going on with the fifth (diminished, augmented). Then comes the type of seventh (if there is one, dominant or major) and lastly extensions such as ninths, elevenths and thirteens, whether flat or sharp. Singing the tones you're hearing helps you determine which intervals they are, though eventually that shouldn't be necessary. This site has some excellent ear trainers http://www.musictheory.net/exercises . You can customise them to only include intervals or chords you're familiar with, or just the ones that are giving you trouble and you're always mixing up. I've also heard good things about http://www.teoria.com/ though I've never used it.
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Incredulous Dylan posted:That's not a real answer You could probably just run a normal audio cable to your soundcard's line-in, like this http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Cable-ST35MM-06-Stereo-3-5mm/dp/B002JCOX5U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1321660567&sr=8-3 Although you'll probably need an adaptor to plug it into your fx unit. You could use a guitar cable but there's probably way too much resistance. Also you might need an amp simulator, either running on the effects unit itself or on your computer, since guitars are meant to run through an amplifier and get some of that colouration - it might sound a bit weak and meh to you otherwise. How are you actually recording what you've got?
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My soundcard is a ASUS Xonar Essence STX. Basically I'm running my line out of my guitar, into my multi effects processor and then out of the L Amp Out (mono) on the processor into my souncard's line in. Oh boy, I just saw that the headphone port also says "Rec Out" so I may have just been using a totally wrong port! It would suck to not be able to hear what I sound like while I'm playing but I think that's what I need to do. The unfortunate thing with the Xonar is while I think its great for playing music theres a small delay if you are monitoring the line in and it really fucks with you if you are playing and listening
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Incredulous Dylan posted:My soundcard is a ASUS Xonar Essence STX. Basically I'm running my line out of my guitar, into my multi effects processor and then out of the L Amp Out (mono) on the processor into my souncard's line in. Oh boy, I just saw that the headphone port also says "Rec Out" so I may have just been using a totally wrong port! It would suck to not be able to hear what I sound like while I'm playing but I think that's what I need to do. The unfortunate thing with the Xonar is while I think its great for playing music theres a small delay if you are monitoring the line in and it really fucks with you if you are playing and listening If you ever want to play in a band to an audience get used to not being able to hear what the gently caress you are doing.
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You'll need a proper audio interface if you want to be able to monitor your playing without latency from the computer - although that said, does the Amp Out work at the same time? Or if not you could probably get a cable splitter and plug in your headphones too, although that might weaken your signal a bit
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Might as well ask a question since it has been bugging me. I'm really wanting to get into the blues. I'm comfortable with the basics, 12 bar (and standard variations) in all 12 keys, a few basic licks to spice things up and I can put together an average at best solo over someone else putting down a the rhythm. But I really want to get into it and I'm a bit stuck, never really got exposed to it when growing up and non of my friends are into it. So where to go from here? Is there a site out there that will guide me through the blues? Can anyone recommend me a few people to check out and emulate, especially acoustic blues rather than electric. I know all (most) the big name players, your kings, hendrix, stevie ray etc, but can find very little acoustic blues.
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