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bulletsponge13 posted:I disagree with the premise that blowback is false or that it was what Cheney et al used as an excuse, because they didn't from anything I've read. They wanted to control all the resources from AFG to the Syrian border, and made no qualms about it, even telling the IC to manufacture evidence. I don't disagree with your last statement but I do with your first(post). Iran absolutely has done things on the international level that they need to be held accountable for. The current US position of attempting to relegate them to "rogue state" or international pariah is unacceptable, but that doesn't mean that they don't have a laundry list of sins that entail accounting for.
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LongDarkNight posted:Less 501st cosplayers, more Ferrix funeral band cosplayers. Hit all fascists with a funeral brick.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Guys, as someone who is on a LOT of ignore lists, have you guys thought about using the ignore user function since your both incapable of disengaging? Ignore and report bring shame on your posting and are dishonorable
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 19:18 |
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Oh my god, huge brain fart. I've been reading 501st as 101st and assume we jumped from star wars to ww2 larping at some point. Christ that's embarrassing
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Milo and POTUS posted:Oh my god, huge brain fart. I've been reading 501st as 101st and assume we jumped from star wars to ww2 larping at some point. Christ that's embarrassing It's all the same poo poo when you get down to the heart of each.
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lightpole posted:Ignore and report bring shame on your posting and are dishonorable
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 19:28 |
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mlmp08 posted:I think you should reread my post. I didn’t even mention what you are addressing, much less make the claim you claim I said. I think you're getting caught up in right and wrong. Iran wants to control the SoH for obvious reasons and to flex that control when it benefits them. Doing so would hit oil prices which can also benefit them and create leverage against attack. All those reasons you listed against are also reasons they want to control it. They don't necessarily need to shut it down. The US does this with dollars and the banking system. I dont know if right now is a time when they want to actually shut it down but probably would be advantageous to them if they are facing attack. I think if they actually had long term control over it most gulf states would probably come up with pipelines through Jordan or Oman or something though.
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 19:30 |
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The last time they mentioned it but didn't actually take action to close the SoH in 2012, the net result was that oil prices jumped 2% for a little while, Iran was sanctioned by multiple countries and the EU, and China expanding oil exports from Iraq rather than Iran and generally diversifying. Also a bunch of sailors and warships got moved around to go show presence, but meh. And throughout, Iranian messaging was kind of all over the place, with some parliamentarians making extreme statements, but the actual leadership largely saying that "if we have to, then we will.." but leaving the "if we have to" vague. Now in a major shooting war, different story. I can absolutely see Iran making moves to close or at least limit SoH transits rather than allowing US or adversary coalition warships to flow freely. Some mysterious building explosions aren't a major shooting war.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Oh my god, huge brain fart. I've been reading 501st as 101st and assume we jumped from star wars to ww2 larping at some point. Christ that's embarrassing Well actually there is a real argument to be made that the 101st Abn in WWII was just as morally reprehensible as the 501st Imperial Legion after the fall of the Republic and furthermore
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Ruh Roh
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Grip it and rip it posted:I don't disagree with your last statement but I do with your first(post). Iran absolutely has done things on the international level that they need to be held accountable for. The current US position of attempting to relegate them to "rogue state" or international pariah is unacceptable, but that doesn't mean that they don't have a laundry list of sins that entail accounting for. This I can agree with most of this. I don't think treating them s a pariah state is helpful, but neither is not recognizing their autonomy, right to self defense, and ability to project power to their allies in the same way we do other nation states we haven't been a belligerant towards for like a 100 years. Again, I'm not saying they are the good guys, but they sure as hell aren't the villains we try to make them out to be, either.
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mlmp08 posted:Ruh Roh Yeah was about to say, I always assumed it was based off the 501st Heavy Panzer....which doesn't help
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah was about to say, I always assumed it was based off the 501st Heavy Panzer....which doesn't help 501st makes me think of the Band of Brothers parachute infantry regiment, but we probably shouldn't give these nerds the benefit of doubt
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US Berder Patrol posted:501st makes me think of the Band of Brothers parachute infantry regiment, but we probably shouldn't give these nerds the benefit of doubt They've been around since 97, well before the tv show though a few years after the book. Also lmao at their Wikipedia article.
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 20:41 |
mlmp08 posted:People got opinions about nuclear power. People have wrong opinions on the internet. There is only one right opinion and its more nuclear power now.
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 20:48 |
M_Gargantua posted:People have wrong opinions on the internet. There is only one right opinion and its more nuclear power now.
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 20:51 |
M_Gargantua posted:People have wrong opinions on the internet. There is only one right opinion and its more nuclear power now. I'm Comrade Blyatlov and I endorse this message
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 21:05 |
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M_Gargantua posted:People have wrong opinions on the internet. There is only one right opinion and its more nuclear power now. Wow, two perfect takes in this thread in one day. What a gift!
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 21:20 |
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M_Gargantua posted:People have wrong opinions on the internet. [/i] Buddy, don't even get me started.
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 21:26 |
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In fairness, I'm the only one who advocated for more nukes.
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 21:34 |
No I always want more nuke, either in powerplant or airburst form
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:No I always want more nuke, either in powerplant or airburst form QTIYD
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M_Gargantua posted:People have wrong opinions on the internet. There is only one right opinion and its more nuclear power now. Dehumanize yourself and face the blue glow.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:No I always want more nuke, either in powerplant or airburst form
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bulletsponge13 posted:Yeah, because that's exactly what I said, you dipshit. Edit: It looks like the argument smoothed out so I'll edit this down to just say: My entire point is that Iran has absolutely done bad things on the geopolitical stage. Godholio fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jan 29, 2023 |
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Iran is not the boogeyman, but they can all die screaming if they get in the way. How's that for a hot take?
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# ? Jan 29, 2023 23:51 |
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CommieGIR posted:
Nukes work. If I led a nation that the U.S. was hostile to, and I thought that we could pull it off, I’d be all over that poo poo.
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Godholio posted:Edit: It looks like the argument smoothed out so I'll edit this down to just say: My entire point is that Iran has absolutely done bad things on the geopolitical stage. So has every other nation I can think of. As someone who would happily crush the Iranian people to a nub if they got in "our" way geopolitically, let's pause for a sec and loving call a spade a spade. Our body count and tally of "heinous poo poo" since the formation of the Union up until the present is off the charts. If we didn't do it ourselves, we worked through our partners and allies to get the poo poo done. We've drained the sea of people in Vietnam, and jumped for joy when the Indonesian genocide occurred way back during the Cold War. We cheered because it was a geopolitical win for us to drop the 3rd largest communist party in the world and a leading voice of the Non-Aligned Movement at the same time. Not only have we drained the sea, but we also trained our partners in Latin America to do it too. Put up a map of the world. Throw darts at that bitch till you run out of darts. Go dig into their history. I bet the groundskeeper from the cemetery will come knocking in a few hours, tops, to ask you to please put the skeletons back in the grave where they belong. Every nation has done dirt. Some more than others. We're definitely in the "more" category. We shouldn't be surprised by the pushback and get offended that they pushed back. That's just disingenuous IMO.
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Question for the room- where do we draw the line? Who decides what assassination is OK, and which isn't? Which country gets to war crime to the top of the leader board? I'm not saying that no one should face punishment, but at the same time, why is it only our declared "enemies" face judgement or get eyed for justice, when our loving Allies do the same poo poo or worse? I'm being genuine in asking- who decides the line, where it is, and what the repercussions are? As an aside, I'm so loving over this bullshit of Iran being the boogeyman when he's just a Scooby-Doo Doo villain we made. Call me jaded, because it's hard for me to get wrapped around the axle that Iran supplied dudes EFPs when we did airstrikes on Quakers.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Question for the room- where do we draw the line? Who decides what assassination is OK, and which isn't? Which country gets to war crime to the top of the leader board? I'm not saying that no one should face punishment, but at the same time, why is it only our declared "enemies" face judgement or get eyed for justice, when our loving Allies do the same poo poo or worse? I'm being genuine in asking- who decides the line, where it is, and what the repercussions are? this guy op
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shame on an IGA posted:this guy op Captain War Crime is a bold choice, but I approve.
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shame on an IGA posted:this guy op I need to watch this finally to understand because I do not understand the significance of this pic.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Captain War Crime is a bold choice, but I approve. Hes gonna lose that title now that gal gadot is a starfleet captain
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bulletsponge13 posted:Question for the room- where do we draw the line? Who decides what assassination is OK, and which isn't? Which country gets to war crime to the top of the leader board? I'm not saying that no one should face punishment, but at the same time, why is it only our declared "enemies" face judgement or get eyed for justice, when our loving Allies do the same poo poo or worse? I'm being genuine in asking- who decides the line, where it is, and what the repercussions are? Whoever serves the greater good of the species IMHO. If your mind is drawing a blank, that's probably by design.
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Stravag posted:Hes gonna lose that title now that gal gafot is a starfleet captain Throwback:
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TheWeedNumber posted:I need to watch this finally to understand because I do not understand the significance of this pic. you really should DS9 at its best is all about wrangling moral ambiguity and it was literally impossible to appreciate as a child when it was in first-run B5 tackles all the same questions better though
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bulletsponge13 posted:Question for the room- where do we draw the line? Who decides what assassination is OK, and which isn't? Which country gets to war crime to the top of the leader board? I'm not saying that no one should face punishment, but at the same time, why is it only our declared "enemies" face judgement or get eyed for justice, when our loving Allies do the same poo poo or worse? I'm being genuine in asking- who decides the line, where it is, and what the repercussions are? Couldn’t say but I remember arguing with a friend when Syria just got started that Assad should have gotten got and I still think that would’ve been better for the world in general if he died right early on.
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shame on an IGA posted:you really should DS9 at its best is all about wrangling moral ambiguity and it was literally impossible to appreciate as a child when it was in first-run I can’t remember if B5 or Farscape was the one with Australians in space.
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They’re both good so watch em both.
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Thwomp posted:They’re both good so watch em both. I’m gonna do diet war crimes and watch Andor for rn.
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