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RickoniX posted:Isn't the Tarrasque immune to ability damage? Its only immune to one of drain/damage and Allips do the other one.
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RickoniX posted:Isn't the Tarrasque immune to ability damage? It's immune to ability damage, and allips do ability drain!  e:f;b 
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Jul 10, 2013 21:13
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RickoniX posted:Isn't the Tarrasque immune to ability damage? Yep but the Allip does ability drain. What I find more problematic is that the Tarrasque has damage reduction/epic and therefore has epic aligned natural weapons. I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume epic weapons can't hit incorporeal targets. Anyway it still has a complete lack of mobility and intelligence 3. Even if you cannot kill it, it can't kill you either unless you behave extremely stupidly. If you met one as a guardian you could use a dozen different tricks and bluffs to get it away from its place and nab whatever it's protecting. A smart monster like a Solar or Gold Dragon would be a lot more dangerous.
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Jul 10, 2013 21:20
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peak debt posted:Yep but the Allip does ability drain. What I find more problematic is that the Tarrasque has damage reduction/epic and therefore has epic aligned natural weapons. I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume epic weapons can't hit incorporeal targets. I don't think you can bluff it as it just kills anything it sees.
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Jul 10, 2013 21:42
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peak debt posted:Tarrasques also cant fly or teleport and have speed 20 so they arent even really dangerous for a level 1 medium sized adventurer, much less a level 24+ sorcerer. That's what you think!
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Jul 10, 2013 21:43
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Seeing Template:Tarrasque in the URL, I expected something more. Fear the half-gold dragon Solar with the Tarrasque template! The Tarrasque template ought to exist. Gain all the immunities, resistance, and other special abilities of the Tarrasque (including the carapace). Increase size by two categories (so a Medium creature goes Huge). Treble its natural hit dice. And now, to unleash a tribe of Tarrasque-templated Kobolds on the players...  peak debt posted:Yep but the Allip does ability drain. What I find more problematic is that the Tarrasque has damage reduction/epic and therefore has epic aligned natural weapons. I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume epic weapons can't hit incorporeal targets. Epic weapons are necessarily magic too, and magic weapons have a 50% chance to hit incorporeal creatures even when they aren't ghost-touch. (When ghost-touch, they have a 100% chance to slice an allip into carpaccio.) Ashcans posted:Int 3 means that I guess it is slightly smarter than a typical dog? Smart enough to talk. Animals are limited to Int 1 or Int 2. A score of 3 means that it's potentially the same score as a PC. (Who rolled very poorly at chargen.) Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jul 10, 2013 |
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Jul 10, 2013 22:07
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MonsterEnvy posted:I don't think you can bluff it as it just kills anything it sees. Int 3 means that I guess it is slightly smarter than a typical dog? So it's mostly too dumb to bluff, but you could trick it into thinking you threw a ball when, in fact, you just made a throwing motion and hide the ball behind your back.
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Jul 10, 2013 22:12
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Cat Mattress posted:IIRC, epic weapons are necessarily magic too, and magic weapons have a 50% chance to hit incorporeal creatures even when they aren't ghost-touch. (When ghost-touch, they have a 100% chance to slice an allip into carpaccio.) But being incorporal, an Allip can phase through the ground and poke the bottom of the Tarrasque's feet safe and sound! 
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Jul 10, 2013 22:21
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I'm sure those epic claws can go through dirt at least as well as incorporial creatures! Big T could just ready his action to attack if something attacks him first after the first drain and he's aware and then massacre the allip.
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Jul 10, 2013 22:25
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The point of the allip method isn't to provide an unbeatable way to defeat the tarrasque, it's to show that a level 3 caster can take down the tarrasque. And, although this is starting to get incredibly nitpicky, the RAW about natural weapons reads "Such creatures’ natural weapons are also treated as epic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction," (emphasis mine) which leads me to believe that they don't get any of the other abilities of magic/epic weapons (such as the ability to hit incorporeal creatures), just the ability to bypass DR/magic and DR/epic.
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Jul 10, 2013 22:46
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I thought the point (of that ruleset) was to be incredibly nitpicky? Good callout on that rule.
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Jul 10, 2013 22:51
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Has Rich ever drawn any Beholders? I love Beholders
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Jul 10, 2013 23:08
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Vadun posted:Has Rich ever drawn any Beholders? I love Beholders http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0032.html Sure has.
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Jul 10, 2013 23:10
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It might be fun if, when they get to the next gate and meet a cavalcade of famous monsters, whomever takes them out does so with these sorts of goofy plans. Mostly just because while people come up with this stuff all the time you almost never see it actually happening in a game.
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Vadun posted:Has Rich ever drawn any Beholders? I love Beholders Yep, but IIRC only as part of a joke to say he wouldn't be drawing any more beholders (as they're part of 'Product Identity' and not covered by the OGL.) Re the Tarrasque, rpg.net had one of its periodically brilliant setting riffs on a city built around the Tarrasque and ways it might be extrapolated. Pinioned on huge Adamantium pikes, perpetually flensed for its ever-regenerating flesh, the population addicted to its magical blood. It's pretty cool. sebmojo fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jul 10, 2013 |
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Jul 10, 2013 23:14
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sebmojo posted:Yep, but IIRC only as part of a joke to say he wouldn't be drawing any more beholders (as they're part of 'Product Identity' and not covered by the OGL.) And if I recall someone extrapolated that situation for the populace to start mutating gaining some of the traits of the terrasque, becoming more aggressive more bestial and gaining a minor regeneration becoming trolls.
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Jul 10, 2013 23:52
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http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0038.html I really like the last panel on that strip.
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Jul 11, 2013 06:11
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If Girard's gate is destroyed before Xykon gets there, would the rift count for the Oracle's answer? Or would an exploded part of the gate hitting Xykon in the skull count?
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I'm betting he beams in seconds before the Gate explodes, which for some reason or other will force the inevitable delay in teleporting straight to Kragor's gate. Oh man, if he bites it and wakes up in the wrong place the drama is going to be magnificent.
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Jul 11, 2013 11:17
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 Oh hey, new comic! http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0899.html MikeJF posted:I'm betting he beams in seconds before the Gate explodes, which for some reason or other will force the inevitable delay in teleporting straight to Kragor's gate. So what did you bet? I hope it involved a lot of money We also don't get to see just what Belkar was thinking, so whatever it was, odds are it worked.
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Okay, that made me laugh.
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Jul 11, 2013 11:58
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There are no words to describe how pissed Xykon is going to be. He was in this book for less than ten pages!
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Jul 11, 2013 12:35
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Boldor posted:
This strip's filename isn't random characters this time
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Jul 11, 2013 12:36
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The comic title is 'prophecy fulfilled', I guess this must refer to Belkar's prophecy? So whatever his idea was, it's resulted in his death?
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DoctorTristan posted:The comic title is 'prophecy fulfilled', I guess this must refer to Belkar's prophecy? So whatever his idea was, it's resulted in his death? Nah its about Xykon arriving at Girards gate. We'd see Belkar dead if it were that prophecy.
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DoctorTristan posted:The comic title is 'prophecy fulfilled', I guess this must refer to Belkar's prophecy? So whatever his idea was, it's resulted in his death? Roy's prophecy of which Gate Xykon would approach first. The one where he asked the overly-long question that actually ruled out the real Gate that was being threatened and all that. Xykon has now gotten within range of Girard's Gate, before he did Kragor's or however it's spelled.
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Or it's possible it's an evil joke because we're actually seeing Belkar's prophecy fulfilled as well and not realising that's the one which the title is referring to. That would be right up Burlew's alley.
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Jul 11, 2013 13:30
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So that little glowing sphere is V being protected I guess? Or, possibly the snarl's little zone of corruption.
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Cliff Racer posted:So that little glowing sphere is V being protected I guess? Or, possibly the snarl's little zone of corruption. The former, I imagine. Nice catch.
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It seems to me it's the epicenter of the explosion. Unless you're talking about something else than the bright dot in the bottom of the crater.
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DrakePegasus posted:There are no words to describe how pissed Xykon is going to be. He was in this book for less than ten pages! He's also still pissed off at Redcloak for making him wait in Azure City. This is only going to make that worse.
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Morand posted:He's also still pissed off at Redcloak for making him wait in Azure City. This is only going to make that worse. Well they could have been caught in the explosion. That would be pretty bad too.
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Soylentbits posted:Well they could have been caught in the explosion. That would be pretty bad too. Xykon could've been here months ago while Roy was still dead if Redcloak hadn't wanted to play Sim Goblin.
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I really laughed at this one. :3
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Even if the party gets V back and teams up with Nale and Co, dealing with an epic level lich and a high level cleric is going to be a bitch and a half.
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peak debt posted:Xykon could've been here months ago while Roy was still dead if Redcloak hadn't wanted to play Sim Goblin.
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Jul 11, 2013 19:11
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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Ok, so that answers my question, time for a new one! Just how much damage does an exploding pyramid do? They were standing right next to it and it looks like there's nothing left.
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mmkay posted:Okay, that made me laugh. Are you kidding me? That got a belly laugh out of me in public. This is the funniest strip I can remember.
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nimby posted:Ok, so that answers my question, time for a new one! Well O'Chul survived an explosion, a collapsing castle, and a fall square on his head from god knows how high so it can't be that much.
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