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This is interestingWoT Series.com posted:On August 23rd, 2021, McAdams was abroad from London in order to start shooting on a secretive new series. Not much information beyond this is known; however, she is the same height as the body double used to stand in for a character we are quite certain is Selene (see tweet below for more information). Additionally, Sara spotted that McAdams is followed on social media by Ishamael actor, Fares Fares.  Could this be the Daughter of the Night?! This is in the speculation stage but she's following (and is followed by) Ishamael actor Fares Fares and started shooting her "secret series" at around the exact same time Fares was in Prague according to his Instagram. She also follows some other WoT cast/crew on Instagram. Hexel fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Dec 26, 2021 |
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Pleads posted:But then there’s no real reason for the fox and snake people to keep her around as long since they can’t siphon the power from her. Assuming it’s a tied off shield, they can add a throwaway line about “drawing from a dammed lake instead of the river” Oh neat I googled ‘dammed lake’ to make sure it’s a thing and found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moraine-dammed_lake
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Dec 26, 2021 21:09
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No that's Lara Croft
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Dec 26, 2021 21:09
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has the wheel turned enough for this thread to get good again
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Dec 26, 2021 21:10
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CainFortea posted:
No, there is an earlier scene where they're walking through the Blight and they can see the Gap fortress and the trollocs. The scene those caps come from is later and Rand sees the towers, Moiraine says they're the Seven Towers of Malkier that have been overtaken by the Blight, Rand says they look like they've been like that for a thousand years and Moiraine says hardly 40, then "it" used to be miles from the Gap, referring to the Blight, not Malkier moving around.
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Dec 26, 2021 21:23
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:What major changes were made because of this? Because I can't think of any outside of characters saying "it might be any one of them!" and the major plot beats of the season are the same as the book. There are many but the first one that comes to mind is how undeveloped the relationship between Rand and Tam ended up being. We get what, a 10 second clip of Rand bringing feverish Tam to town while evading trollocs? That's a major scene in terms of Rand being forced to confront the truth of his entire life. That's the moment his world comes crashing down. In the show, we get that reveal in ep 7 where machin shin tells him. That reveal fell flat in the show, period. I watch the shows weekly with a group of mostly non readers and the reaction was basically "oh I guess it's Rand". All the changes for a reveal that didn't land at all. Yes the mystery may have hooked some people but that's a pretty cheap alternative to what they could have focused on, imo. I think a lot of the "this seems like a CW show" is because of this. "Tune in this week to maybe solve the mystery of who the Dragon is" is not really what EotW is about. Again, just my opinion. I still enjoy the show but like another poster said, I would have appreciated writers that trust the audience a little bit more. All of the best shows do that and wheel of Time just doesn't seem to.
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Dec 26, 2021 21:32
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:No, there is an earlier scene where they're walking through the Blight and they can see the Gap fortress and the trollocs. No. Those caps are from 7:44. Them seeing the trollocs is at 19:10.
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Dec 26, 2021 21:44
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CainFortea posted:No. Those caps are from 7:44. Them seeing the trollocs is at 19:10. Oops, you're right, scrolling around on my phone had me reverse them.
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Dec 26, 2021 21:53
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Democratic Pirate posted:Assuming it’s a tied off shield, they can add a throwaway line about “drawing from a dammed lake instead of the river” I'm on team-not-stilled but don't see a tied shield lasting that long unless they really move around the timeline. Hexel posted:Could this be the Daughter of the Night?! This is in the speculation stage but she's following (and is followed by) Ishamael actor Fares Fares and started shooting her "secret series" at around the exact same time Fares was in Prague according to his Instagram. She also follows some other WoT cast/crew on Instagram.
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Dec 26, 2021 21:56
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Pleads posted:I'm on team-not-stilled but don't see a tied shield lasting that long unless they really move around the timeline. Lanfears knotted shield lasts for an entire book and doesn't unravel, Moghediens lasts even longer.
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Dec 26, 2021 21:58
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silvergoose posted:Lanfears knotted shield lasts for an entire book and doesn't unravel, Moghediens lasts even longer. I think the idea was that Moiraine not being able to channel for that long would be stupid.
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Dec 26, 2021 22:01
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iirc those shields are described in detail as being almost needlessly complex and the show's simplification of the power gives us zero feedback on that aspect so it's impossible to say 
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Dec 26, 2021 22:04
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Pleads posted:I'm on team-not-stilled but don't see a tied shield lasting that long unless they really move around the timeline. If Karima McAdams is Lanfear then that would make Natasha O'Keeffe almost certainly Elaida. We had some Elaida news from Judkins interviews after episode 8 aired. We had an Elaida tease from Moiraine in episode 8 talking about being beaten with flows of air and fire as accepted, that's New Spring poo poo. "Elaida tells Siuan and Myrelle to move aside, and has Moiraine begin again. Her onslaught of flashing lights, bangs and whistles is continuous, and accompanied by hard, strap-like blows." Hexel fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Dec 26, 2021 |
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Dec 26, 2021 22:07
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Pleads posted:iirc those shields are described in detail as being almost needlessly complex and the show's simplification of the power gives us zero feedback on that aspect so it's impossible to say Now everybody just needs to figure out that there is an invisible (to women) knot that needs to be dealt with.
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Dec 26, 2021 22:15
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It isn't punching out a Forsaken, but Nynaeve going hands-on when she's caught in TDR owns
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Dec 26, 2021 23:12
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thrawn527 posted:I have friends who are non-book readers, and they kept asking each other (and me, though I didn’t answer) who the Dragon is throughout the season. It was one of their main hooks. So I don’t think it was a mistake at all. My friends who haven't read the books but decided to give the show a chance were 100% invested in the "which one is the dragon reborn?" mystery so I think that worked pretty well as a hook to get new viewers in. Also it facilitated the showrunner's intent to give each of the main 5 more agency and flesh out their characters earlier on, so seems like a pretty smart call as far as the needs of the adaptation. Fwiw most of my friends assumed that the DR was going to be Nynaeve, Egwene, or Mat. I wonder if that would've changed if the show had included the whole scene with Rand dragging Tam through the woods.
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Dec 27, 2021 00:57
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I can't tell if the writers are giving Ewgrain and Perrin bad dialogue, or if its just bad delivery. Maybe both?
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Dec 27, 2021 01:15
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Mat Cauthon posted:My friends who haven't read the books but decided to give the show a chance were 100% invested in the "which one is the dragon reborn?" mystery so I think that worked pretty well as a hook to get new viewers in. I'm pretty sure if they showed Rand to not be who he seems to be it would have given the game away. I've slept on it now, and Ishowmael is equal to Winter Dragon Ishamael. It must be so much fun to play a role like that.
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Dec 27, 2021 01:26
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I am in love with how steadfastly Ishy he is. Just rhapsodizing about how ignorant Rand is, how absolutely stupid he must be to think he has a chance of doing anything, and a look of joy when he has a chance of release from everything. Even if he's not at all how it's done in the book, who cares, it's every bit as good.
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Dec 27, 2021 01:29
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Yeah, it's a completely different direction from Billy Zane's "are you loving kidding me?" expression when he realises how far gone LTT is. And it is absolutely wonderful.
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Dec 27, 2021 01:32
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I feel like they did me a favor by killing my anticipation for season 2 before it even got started. Hopefully a lot of this is attributable to the absence of Barney Harris and they'll do a better job with next season.
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Dec 27, 2021 01:32
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What I don't get is why Mat not being there would leave Perrin with nothing to do still. He was the only character with nothing to do in the episode, and imo if there's one character who needs more to do than the books gave him it's Perrin, so that's not promising. Basically he was just there to be a viewpoint character to watch them do more fakeout deaths, which is pretty worthless.
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Dec 27, 2021 01:35
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Sinteres posted:What I don't get is why Mat not being there would leave Perrin with nothing to do still. He was the only character with nothing to do in the episode, and imo if there's one character who needs more to do than the books gave him it's Perrin, so that's not promising. Basically he was just there to be a viewpoint character to watch them do more fakeout deaths, which is pretty worthless. Rewatching the finale. Perrin sees Fain walk by... "Hey. Stop." *stumbles after him
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Sinteres posted:What I don't get is why Mat not being there would leave Perrin with nothing to do still. He was the only character with nothing to do in the episode, and imo if there's one character who needs more to do than the books gave him it's Perrin, so that's not promising. Basically he was just there to be a viewpoint character to watch them do more fakeout deaths, which is pretty worthless. With Mat gone they needed someone to interact with Padan Fain/the dagger instead, and the only one available was Perrin, and since Perrin doesn't even know the dagger exists afaik, and we never see him talk to Padan Fain ever, it doesn't hit very well, which it probably would of had Mat been there. As far as what Perrin would have been doing, maybe he would of been fighting the fades or fighting trollocs or something all goldeneye'd and poo poo. I have no evidence or knowledge of any extra/cut scenes, but he probably was supposed to be injured on the ground with Loial and Uno, with Mat arriving to see the carnage.
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Dec 27, 2021 01:48
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Perrin knows about the dagger. When they meet up in Ep6 he hugs Mat and says "At least i'm not stupid enough to pick up an evil dagger"
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Dec 27, 2021 01:49
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Wait Belal is old as gently caress and meant to be a master swordsman right? Viggo is old af now MAKE IT HAPPEN
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Dec 27, 2021 02:02
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I only just realised that Ishamael is the soldier from Chernobyl tasked to exterminate animals. This logically means that after doing that and being irradiated in the process, he learnt to channel and realised there was nothing worth saving and ascended to Ishyness.
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Dec 27, 2021 02:28
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I only just realised that Ishamael is the soldier from Chernobyl tasked to exterminate animals. Remember my favorite interpretation: Ishamael is reborn in every age with his memories intact, and in every age LTT, unaware, clowns him. After however many repetitions he is just all in on nihilism as a way to get away from Rand.
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Dec 27, 2021 02:34
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:What does Rand do in the first book that he doesn't do in the show? Aside from the ending with Tarwin's Gap I can't think of anything major. thrawn527 posted:I don’t think they could have, actually. In the book, you could read “Ishamael” and “The Dark One/Ba’alzamon” and assume they’re different people. In a show, you’d clearly see they’re the same person. To keep the secret, you have to either keep the burning mask on him, which would hide his performance, or hire two actors, which I think starts to get needlessly messy.
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El Grillo posted:An absolutely vast amount of poo poo. Seriously he is the main character and it's a long book... Then the secret garden/Elayne Elaida Gawyn Galad Morgase bit... I was really excited to see that garden/Elayne bit and the royal reaction to a heron-marked blade. 
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Dec 27, 2021 02:39
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Imagining “I win again Lewis Therin” in the bane voice
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm about 50/50 on whether Agelmar is actually dead or not, tbh. We saw him take a spear, but he was glaring defiance rather than any of the traditional indicators of dying. Please no. We've had so many fake out deaths already
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Dec 27, 2021 02:48
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Anias posted:Remember my favorite interpretation: Ishamael is reborn in every age with his memories intact, and in every age LTT, unaware, clowns him. After however many repetitions he is just all in on nihilism as a way to get away from Rand. Therefore, Rand is the reactor core. "Like a blazing sun," indeed.
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Dec 27, 2021 02:59
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I started rereading the books after watching the show. And oh boy, does the show not hold up well in comparison. It's been many years since I read EotW, and I didn't really have super fond memories of it, I always liked there later books better. But man, rereading it now, they just handle things so much better than in the show. I know, I know, writing for television is not the same as writing for TV, but still. They've made so many changes in the show, and I just don't think they are good changes. So many scenes work so much better in the book, have so much better dialogue, so much more emotion and personality. There's a lot of cool stuff in the show but so much of it feels rushed and awkward and melodramatic.
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Dec 27, 2021 03:21
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I sent my brother the first scene of Min talking to Rand from the book and his takeaways were 1. no wonder people might want to hunt her down for her fortune telling if she's that creepy all the time, and 2. holy poo poo that way better.
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Dec 27, 2021 03:31
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I'm also rereading, and one thing that's fun though is that now I'm picturing the show actors for all the characters, and it works pretty drat well.
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Dec 27, 2021 03:45
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Data Graham posted:I'm also rereading, and one thing that's fun though is that now I'm picturing the show actors for all the characters, and it works pretty drat well. Yeah it does. Except for Perrin. I dunno, we'll see next season. Fain and Logain fuckin rule tho
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm pretty sure if they showed Rand to not be who he seems to be it would have given the game away. There's a fair amount of stuff in the show about Nynaeve being born outside the Two Rivers (or having parents who are from other lands, one of those), being adopted, etc. Feels like there was a way to similarly layer in that sort of information with Rand - and I think they did try with the hangedAielman that Mat and Thom cut down - without it being a dead giveaway. Also seconding that Ishamael rules, I love the portrayal here that really highlights how much the Forsaken think everyone in the 3rd age are primitives and rubes.
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