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CIGNX
May 7, 2006

You can trust me
Since nothing happened on this day, here's a good read on eyewitness accounts and misconceptions about what (never) happened. I think I got this from a previous version of this thread during the 25th anniversary in 2014.

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/dclarke/public/Munro_Who_Died_in_Beijing_and_Why.pdf

And also, an excellent documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gtt2JxmQtg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0lgc4fWkWI

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Is it weird that I still give a poo poo about this stuff?
https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/474393861377122304
https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/474394231033704449
https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/474394674698784769
https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/474395396983099393
https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/474395731344629760
https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/474396804809629697
https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/474415770261143552
https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/474415843443355649

CIGNX fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Jun 5, 2017

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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im very hesitant to buy into anything that sounds like a "perfidious oriental hivemind" narrative and it seems that the fact that nothing happened today 38 years ago is proof that that narrative is flawed

that said that tweet chain is p good. being able to think for yourself is the most human thing ever by definition and its infuriating how many people in the world are being denied the ability to do that

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
And the in laws have been dissolving Gatorade powder into his water for the last week and I only discovered it today. They're seriously going to kill this kid.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Atlas Hugged posted:

And the in laws have been dissolving Gatorade powder into his water for the last week and I only discovered it today. They're seriously going to kill this kid.

Don't marry into crazy

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
none of this is very surprising and its as much your fault for allowing it to happen. Take control or keep being a beta bitch and whining about it. The infant mortality rate shows that chinamen in general know jack poo poo about keeping a baby alive.

My little brother was on a diet of candy, chips and white rice for a summer when he was visiting relatives. He got fat and gained a cough. When asked what he was being fed they said "chinese food, very healthy dont you know?" We found out from him they fed him whatever he pointed at.

All you can do is build up a reserve of health before he spends any time with them.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Fauxtool posted:

none of this is very surprising and its as much your fault for allowing it to happen. Take control or keep being a beta bitch and whining about it. The infant mortality rate shows that chinamen in general know jack poo poo about keeping a baby alive.

My little brother was on a diet of candy, chips and white rice for a summer when he was visiting relatives. He got fat and gained a cough. When asked what he was being fed they said "chinese food, very healthy dont you know?" We found out from him they fed him whatever he pointed at.

All you can do is build up a reserve of health before he spends any time with them.

I'm not really sure how grandmother smacking my kid in the face in front of me and then me immediately intervening is my fault. Nor do I consider them sneaking poo poo into his water when I'm not looking or even suspecting such idiocy my fault.

And I have firmly put a stop to every insane thing they've tried since we got here. The real problem is they find new and innovative ways to gently caress with the kid that I can't anticipate. Who the gently caress freaks out when a one year old blows a raspberry?

Baronjutter posted:

Don't marry into crazy

My advice for goons would be to make sure you raise your kids in the west where your support structure is way more geared to your way of thinking. But even then double check every little thing your in laws do. My sister gives my mom a list of things she is to do and she isn't to deviate from it and everyone is happy.

Getting my in laws to stick to that arrangement has been loving trying, especially because my wife plays the face card every time. "Oh it's so embarrassing when you correct my parents. Do you want me to do that to your parents?" Yes. Abso-loving-lutely if they are putting the child at risk.

The problem is I'm fighting against good intentions and all the garbage they were taught to believe.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
I am very hesitant to define what they're doing to your kid as 'Good intentions'.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

WarpedNaba posted:

I am very hesitant to define what they're doing to your kid as 'Good intentions'.

Obviously from my perspective doing uneducated and frankly dangerous poo poo to a kid without any research or asking a parent first can't possibly be well meaning. But from their perspective everything they've done is because they want what's best for him.

I got a long lecture about how Taiwan has become too soft by banning physical punishment in schools and hitting is a way of showing love. It's hot and we sweat, so of course he needs Gatorade, right?

The well meaning part is what makes it so terrifying. They honestly think they're helping.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Atlas Hugged posted:

The problem is I'm fighting against good intentions and all the garbage they were taught to believe.

Remember that story of the grandparents who got packed up in a van and abandoned in a destroyed village somewhere? You know what you need to do.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Atlas Hugged posted:

It's hot and we sweat, so of course he needs Gatorade, right?

It's got what babies crave, it's got electrolytes

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer

VideoTapir posted:

Do you have a sedate, Al Borland beard or some beard-and-moustache-championship contender? Because every Chinese person I ever saw with a beard had a serious beard.

Yea, thinking about it I have never seen a chump beard on a chinese dude. My old landlord had the full Kung Fu Wizard model and it was so loving majestic.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

simplefish posted:

It's got what babies crave, it's got electrolytes

*Refuses to drink unflavored drinks*

*Dies of a sodium overdose*

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


There's a guy in Chengdu with the full fu manchu/wizard beard, long white hair, a white kung fu movie robe, sunglasses, a cone hat, and a turtle on a leash. Sometimes he's also playing a sheng, the most ridiculous looking instrument. He is my hero.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Your "firmly putting a stop" to things is basically worthless. Talking out an issue does not work, your making valid point why they shouldnt do something will only serve to make them do it more so they can be right. You need to scream and get really mad and stomp your feet. Break something if you think you can get away with it.

The correct move the 1st time they hit your kid would have been to aggressively grab at them and physically move them away. Your child takes priority over their grandkid. Believe or not, ignorant yokels stuck in their ways can learn but only when you communicate on their level.

It sounds like we arent getting the whole story, do you owe them money or something?

Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jun 5, 2017

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Atlas Hugged posted:

*Refuses to drink unflavored drinks*

*Dies of a sodium overdose*

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Atlas Hugged posted:

I'm not really sure how grandmother smacking my kid in the face in front of me and then me immediately intervening is my fault. Nor do I consider them sneaking poo poo into his water when I'm not looking or even suspecting such idiocy my fault.

And I have firmly put a stop to every insane thing they've tried since we got here. The real problem is they find new and innovative ways to gently caress with the kid that I can't anticipate. Who the gently caress freaks out when a one year old blows a raspberry?


My advice for goons would be to make sure you raise your kids in the west where your support structure is way more geared to your way of thinking. But even then double check every little thing your in laws do. My sister gives my mom a list of things she is to do and she isn't to deviate from it and everyone is happy.

Getting my in laws to stick to that arrangement has been loving trying, especially because my wife plays the face card every time. "Oh it's so embarrassing when you correct my parents. Do you want me to do that to your parents?" Yes. Abso-loving-lutely if they are putting the child at risk.

The problem is I'm fighting against good intentions and all the garbage they were taught to believe.

i was pretty close to getting married to an ex or two and my God do I count my blessings when I read stories like this

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Fauxtool posted:

Talking out an issue does not work, your making valid point why they shouldnt do something will only serve to make them do it more so they can be right. You need to scream and get really mad and stomp your feet. Break something if you think you can get away with it.

The correct move the 1st time they hit your kid would have been to aggressively grab them and physically move them away. Your child takes priority over their grandkid. Believe or not, ignorant yokels stuck in their ways can learn but only when you communicate on their level.

It sounds like we arent getting the whole story, do you owe them money or something?

Yeah I'm not going to be assaulting my in laws any time soon. I've raised my voice where appropriate and smacking my kid was one of those times. This is Taiwan, not China, if I get physical poo poo will go down, almost certainly me divorced and her with custody, which translates to giving the kid to her parents to raise. I can't get especially nasty until I'm off their turf.

I don't owe them anything. They just wanted to see the kid before we went to America for the summer and my wife was super busy at work so didn't come with. She'll join up with us the weekend before we go to the States so I'm the only responsible adult around.

Tupperwarez
Apr 4, 2004

"phphphphphphpht"? this is what you're going with?

you sure?
One winter I grew out my beard, and the auntie at the hairdressers pointed at it and said "漂亮! 马克思!" (Pretty! Marx!)

Welp, that's my China beard story.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Its your choice if you want them to think you are crazy and to stop doing stupid poo poo to your kid or they keep doing behind your back and you preserve whatever relationship you have with them.

My kid takes priority over my inlaws 5000 years of hurt feelings anyday

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I'm absolutely not worried about hurt feelings, I'm just not interested in escalating to physical violence unless absolutely necessary when I'm at every disadvantage to the system.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

hakimashou posted:

Happy Tiananmen Square Day

Tupperwarez posted:

One winter I grew out my beard, and the auntie at the hairdressers pointed at it and said "漂亮! 马克思!" (Pretty! Marx!)

Welp, that's my China beard story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCMI0uKbBE

Please commemorate this important national holiday

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice

Grand Fromage posted:

Remember that story of the grandparents who got packed up in a van and abandoned in a destroyed village somewhere? You know what you need to do.
A bright ray in the how kids and especially daughters are treated stories.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I didnt actually tell you to hit them next time something happens, you missed your window and already set a precedent.

Maybe you can start taking him out for activities they wont want to come with like exercise outdoors with no shade near black people

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
You suggested I grab them, break dishes, and stomp my feet. Best case that ends with me divorced and my kid living full time with my in laws and worst case the same as above but deported after having spent a few nights in a Taiwanese prison cell.

The actual solution is that I don't leave my kid unsupervised with them for the rest of the week and I eat and drink everything he does before he tries it, which is what I've actually been doing.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
Forget it Atlas Hugged, it's the China thread.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
Also, in the mysterious and inscrutable orient. The natives only respond to thuggery of equal proportion to learn lessons. In this example, them slapping your child, you must employ Kung Fu of your own and slap the grandmother and break dishes.

But I guess you don't care as much as me, heh.

jamoncorona
Apr 9, 2014

Francis bacon homage looking good.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lol Taiwan isn't China. They actually follow the rule of law. Hitting an old after they hit your kid doesn't send you to prison or get you deported.

You are getting exactly what you signed up for when you married in to that mess

Glenn Quebec posted:

Also, in the mysterious and inscrutable orient. The natives only respond to thuggery of equal proportion to learn lessons. In this example, them slapping your child, you must employ Kung Fu of your own and slap the grandmother and break dishes.

But I guess you don't care as much as me, heh.

Pretty much. Fighting stupid with stupid is the correct move. The moral high ground and following Western sensibility is absolutely worthless in this case

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
*In Hokkien to the local police officer with red stained teeth to make sure the foreigner can't understand* "We never touched the kid, but this crazy foreigner hit my wife and smashed a dish and we want to press charges."

Kevin DuBrow
Apr 21, 2012

The uruk-hai defender has logged on.

Grand Fromage posted:

Remember that story of the grandparents who got packed up in a van and abandoned in a destroyed village somewhere? You know what you need to do.

I felt like reading this story again, but couldn't find it. All I saw were depressing google results about millions of abandoned children in China. Didn't those grandparents kill a kid?

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YOU'RE NOT ONE OF US!!!!!

Tupperwarez
Apr 4, 2004

"phphphphphphpht"? this is what you're going with?

you sure?

Kevin DuBrow posted:

I felt like reading this story again, but couldn't find it. All I saw were depressing google results about millions of abandoned children in China. Didn't those grandparents kill a kid?
From what I remember, said grandparents tried to get rid of their granddaughter by letting her wander out of the house and 'losing' her. Her father then responded in kind by 'losing' the horrid old people in a derelict village.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Alternatively, this crazy old person hit my son so I hit them back. Here is a copy of my passport and my son's. You do not have permission to detain and question me without an english speaking lawyer present. Please contact the US embassy if you need anything else.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Fauxtool posted:

Alternatively, this crazy old person hit my son so I hit them back. Here is a copy of my passport and my son's. You do not have permission to detain and question me without an english speaking lawyer present. Please contact the US embassy if you need anything else.

Uh physically disciplining children isn't illegal in Taiwan afaik
Physically disciplining your Taiwanese inlaws is

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I just told my family that if they harmed my son by disobeying my orders I would do to family ancestral burial plot they have that stretches back like 300 years as my ancestors* did to the Emperors Summer Palace.

*I'm not even the right ethnic groups for this but do you really think people in China know or care?

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Plus not ever little thing needs turning into a massive family drama

Slapping my kid for making fart noises would make me loving livid but the solution is gonna be 'making sure it doesn't happen again' not 'go full out for vengeance and possibly shatter the family'

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


"Hi dear how was your day?"
"Not bad, I slapped your elderly mother round the face even though I am young male and twice her size"
"Sounds like a laugh love. What for?"
"Oh for trying to raise our kid like she raised you"
"Good show, sounds like the bitch deserved it"

Yeah I don't think so

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
getting in a fight with an old person you dont know is fine most everywhere in the world. The situation was them not knowing each other. Nothing about discipline or being related.

You guys can keep your western ideals intact as they poison your children if you want.

He should really just roll with it because nothing they are doing is that bad. There is no way to make them stop without drastic over the top theatrics.

Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Jun 5, 2017

Barudak
May 7, 2007

simplefish posted:

Plus not ever little thing needs turning into a massive family drama

Slapping my kid for making fart noises would make me loving livid but the solution is gonna be 'making sure it doesn't happen again' not 'go full out for vengeance and possibly shatter the family'

Of course, you teach the child that grandma is trash and will die alone and that she should let grandma know that as often as she wants. Then you tell grandma if she ever lays a hand on the child again you will, without hestitation, go to prison for murder. Its called winning.

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simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Fauxtool posted:

getting in a fight with an old person you dont know is fine most everywhere in the world. The situation was them not knowing each other. Nothing about discipline or being related.

You guys can keep your western ideals intact as they poison your children if you want.

"Yes officer I know she says shes my wifes mother but I swear I never met her before!"

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