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Really they should have had one remaining elf hang around and be the outsider character, kinda like Spock  instead of spending all that CGI budget on dumbass dragons.Also I'd like to add that the awful app is truly something awful, can't even edit or quote
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Colonel Cancer posted:Really they should have had one remaining elf hang around and be the outsider character, kinda like Spock There's three dots by every post
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May 22, 2019 18:06
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The Arya teleport complaint is dumb Melisandre pretty much told her "hey you gotta kill the night king." she already knew where he was going to be. she's a stealthy assassin. she grew up in the fuckin castle
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May 22, 2019 18:06
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dudeness posted:Y'know the more I think about it the reason Bran had to win is because he is the only one that had any real connection with the Children of the Forest. All the other rulers are fighting over their rule as invaders but he's the only one that has even spoken to the indigenous population. Bran had to win because he was the only character who could have possibly become even more irrelevant by it, and why stop making GBS threads all over your own show the last minute? It was actually a step down from whatever conclusion you imagined for an omniscient wizard.
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May 22, 2019 18:12
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hawowanlawow posted:The Arya teleport complaint is dumb If all you gotta do to kill the night king and vaporize his army is jump at him and stab him then why did the people in the past go to the effort of building a ludicrous ice wall and setting up an entire society of people to watch over it from terrible fear of him She didn't use any magic or anything even. Anyone could have done that. Hell, you could just hire one of the fuckin assassins to do it for you even if "stealthy" is all you need, they didn't even seem that expensive
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May 22, 2019 18:19
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CountryMatters posted:If all you gotta do to kill the night king and vaporize his army is jump at him and stab him then why did the people in the past go to the effort of building a ludicrous ice wall and setting up an entire society of people to watch over it from terrible fear of him I don't see how any of this has to do with teleporting, just poo poo writing
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May 22, 2019 18:21
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CountryMatters posted:If all you gotta do to kill the night king and vaporize his army is jump at him and stab him then why did the people in the past go to the effort of building a ludicrous ice wall and setting up an entire society of people to watch over it from terrible fear of him I mean, they also set up an elaborate bait for him to murder his nemesis and let him get distracted by coming within an inch of his goal.
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May 22, 2019 18:21
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Also she literally had to teleport, there were hundreds of zombies surrounding Bran, like where the gently caress could have she jump in from?
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May 22, 2019 18:22
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BioMe posted:Bran had to win because he was the only character who could have possibly become even more irrelevant by it, and why stop making GBS threads all over your own show the last minute? I mean, on reflection, I actually think that Bran winning is actually broad strokes the GRRM ending, just filtered through D&D cocking it up, because I believe he actually has the most legitimate claim to the throne if you follow the line of succession. Like Tyrion's 'people love a story' is D&D desperately trying to get to and justify the endpoint that GRRM wrote out for them.
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May 22, 2019 18:22
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BioMe posted:there were hundreds of zombies surrounding Bran no there wasn't
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May 22, 2019 18:23
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BioMe posted:Also she literally had to teleport, there were hundreds of zombies surrounding Bran, like where the gently caress could have she jump in from? Maybe she did the Shaun of the Dead shamble and they figured she was just another wight. 
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May 22, 2019 18:23
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hawowanlawow posted:no there wasn't Ok good job watching an entirely different show from the rest of us, you are surely better off for it
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May 22, 2019 18:25
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Maybe she just turned into a tree, ever think about that? Trees have faces too! Also this whole succession business is ridiculous given the situation where almost every house with real claim is wiped out completely or reduced to the point where they can't back any claim. Robert had the right idea, just use the force.
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May 22, 2019 18:25
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BioMe posted:Ok good job watching an entirely different show from the rest of us, you are surely better off for it Maybe he just cranked up the exposure on his tv and could see the rest of the zombies.
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May 22, 2019 18:26
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BioMe posted:Ok good job watching an entirely different show from the rest of us, you are surely better off for it if there were still hundreds of zombies in the godswood they could have just swarmed theon and killed him the godswood was not the focus of the battle, that's why theon and like five guys held off the wights that showed up. That's the whole point of setting the trap there hawowanlawow fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 22, 2019 |
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May 22, 2019 18:27
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hawowanlawow posted:if there were still hundreds of zombies in the godswood they could have just swarmed theon and killed him Yes the action was incredibly inconsistent and contrived in those scenes, we all noticed EDIT: Again, I don't know how you are even arguing this since there were super clear shots of the godswood being completely swarmed by the time Arya got there. The only reason they didn't just attack and win is because NK had to get the kill personally for whatever stupid reason BioMe fucked around with this message at 18:32 on May 22, 2019 |
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May 22, 2019 18:28
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Colonel Cancer posted:Maybe she just turned into a tree, ever think about that? Trees have faces too! Not even Robert used the force only, he had a (possibly manufactured by John Arryn) claim to the throne via Targaryen blood, which is a large part of the issue, really. EDIT: A good question is 'why does anyone actually care', tho. Torchlighter fucked around with this message at 18:36 on May 22, 2019 |
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May 22, 2019 18:33
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I don't know why everyone is bitching, but after the greyjoys all die you can see a shitzillion white walkers standing in a circle around the weirwood tree, plus the officer dudes and the NK.
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May 22, 2019 18:35
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A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:but after the greyjoys all die you can see a shitzillion white walkers standing in a circle around the weirwood tree orly
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May 22, 2019 18:37
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Maybe he has just completely disassociated the action on the screen from the plot that's happening. Which fair enough is perfectly valid considering the editing of that episode showed all the characters dying at least once only for them to be fine the next scene.
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May 22, 2019 18:39
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*sees thousands of men, women and children melt in a vision* Why do you think I've been coming this whole way?
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May 22, 2019 18:41
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God drat that season sucked
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May 22, 2019 18:43
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A giant should have stepped on some more people.
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May 22, 2019 18:45
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hawowanlawow posted:orly Yeah. Here's a shot right as Theon is charging at the NK where you can see them in the light. 
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Torchlighter posted:EDIT: A good question is 'why does anyone actually care', tho. Because if you acknowledge that there is no actual value to nobility in of itself (the Europeans called it the divine right to rule) then the entire feudal ideology falls apart and your peasants are thinking "why the gently caress does this jackass get to be the lord" and then kill you in order to declare an autonomous collective ( ).Or put another way, they care because nobles are obsessed with their own claims/lines/houses.
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May 22, 2019 18:47
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I was rewatching lord of the rings on Monday and ents totally stomp on some orcs. If you are starved for giant stomping content maybe go watch Two Towers again. Also 3 dots do nothing.
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May 22, 2019 18:47
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A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:Yeah. Here's a shot right as Theon is charging at the NK where you can see them in the light. Ah. Well. Nevertheless,
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May 22, 2019 18:48
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Colonel Cancer posted:
You must have one of those dingleberry phones that don't work with it. There's a thread in SH/SC for the awful app that'll resolve your problems.
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May 22, 2019 18:50
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The populist angle could have worked imo. I really liked the whole storyline with the pope militarizing the poo poo out of people and he was clearly a popular guy. I don't think blowing him up would wipe out the whole religious movement, if anything it could be taken over by a less religiously pure and more ambitious type. So as the gang are standing around the throne musing about dumb poo poo they just get surrounded by a bajillion sooty peasants with farm implements who proceed to crucify everyone and create a theocracy.
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Ah, can't you see me runnin' here You got your back against an army, deceased I ain't the worst that you've seen Ah, can't you see what I mean? Ah, might as well jump
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Moridin920 posted:Because if you acknowledge that there is no actual value to nobility in of itself (the Europeans called it the divine right to rule) then the entire feudal ideology falls apart and your peasants are thinking "why the gently caress does this jackass get to be the lord" and then kill you in order to declare an autonomous collective ( Feudalism wasn't an ideology, and especially not a coherent or uniform ideology in any way or sense, it's a term we use to describe the common points of some medieval societies. Also, divine right wasn't very important in the high middle ages. The king as a sacred figured, who stood between the nobility and the clergy, was important in the early middle ages but had largely fallen away by the 11th century as the nobility had advanced their own privileges vis-a-vis kings and the church had grown as an organization that was becoming more capable of independent action. Divine right kind of makes a return in the late middle ages and early modern period as kings and states had advanced tremendously, but this didn't really have anything to do with feudalism. The only actual ideology Medieval Europe had was Christianity and a general belief in that society, ideally, was composed of orders which existed in harmony with each other. Those who fight (the nobles), those who pray (the clergy) and those who labor (the peasantry). Except with the last one everyone knew it wasn't really how things worked, especially the harmony part, and then there was the difficulty of fitting in cities and wealthy burghers into this whole "model", and what role the king should have in all this. A couple of events in medieval history kind of proved that a king wasn't always strictly necessary (or at least was not desired by the nobility) such as long interregnums in Germany and Denmark, which essentially occured because the nobility simply couldn't be bothered to choose a new king and many kind of preferred not having to deal with one.
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I just figured that the White Walker's magic or whatever was constrained by the Gods Wood. I mean, the Children made the Night King with their magic, it's possibly that one of their places of worship might have adverse effects on his clairvoyance or whatever.
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i dont get why people are making up reasons for anything happening at this point
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Ardent Communist posted:I just figured that the White Walker's magic or whatever was constrained by the Gods Wood. I mean, the Children made the Night King with their magic, it's possibly that one of their places of worship might have adverse effects on his clairvoyance or whatever. So he became a moron?
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I'm assuming if you've been waiting like 10,000 years to kill a guy, you want to do it face to face instead of having your army of skeleton/zombie warriors do it, and maybe savor it a bit. He gave a smug smile when he was immune to dragon flame so he has some level of emotions in the show. If he had the level of control over his zombies that he has been shown to have though, why not just have your army of fodder/zombies pick the fucker up and bring him to you instead of exposing yourself to the one thing that's capable of killing you (especially since he had to have noticed the dragonstone arrows)? Answer is, as always, bad writing poop poop fart poop.
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Ardent Communist posted:I just figured that the White Walker's magic or whatever was constrained by the Gods Wood. I mean, the Children made the Night King with their magic, it's possibly that one of their places of worship might have adverse effects on his clairvoyance or whatever. It's just bad writing, hth
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Why are targs immune to fire anyways? What's so special about them? Do Starks get resistance to cold 5?
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Ardent Communist posted:I just figured that the White Walker's magic or whatever was constrained by the Gods Wood. I mean, the Children made the Night King with their magic, it's possibly that one of their places of worship might have adverse effects on his clairvoyance or whatever. Kind of makes NK an even bigger idiot for walking straight under a godstree though And you know, if that was the case it would have been pretty easy to show it happen by making the zombies fall apart as they got too close or something, instead of NK still being clairvoyant and sensing Arya teleporting behind him
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Randarkman posted:Feudalism wasn't an ideology, and especially not a coherent or uniform ideology in any way or sense, it's a term we use to describe the common points of some medieval societies. Also, divine right wasn't very important in the high middle ages. The king as a sacred figured, who stood between the nobility and the clergy, was important in the early middle ages but had largely fallen away by the 11th century as the nobility had advanced their own privileges vis-a-vis kings and the church had grown as an organization that was becoming more capable of independent action. Divine right kind of makes a return in the late middle ages and early modern period as kings and states had advanced tremendously, but this didn't really have anything to do with feudalism. I mean I was being a bit reductionist hence the Monty Python joke but I don't really see how you're gonna say that a) christianity was not intertwined with feudal thought/ideology, and b) that Divine Right to Rule has nothing to do with said order which keeps everything harmonious? quote:A couple of events in medieval history kind of proved that a king wasn't always strictly necessary (or at least was not desired by the nobility) such as long interregnums in Germany and Denmark, which essentially occured because the nobility simply couldn't be bothered to choose a new king and many kind of preferred not having to deal with one. And yeah but I don't think you're going to find many instances of nobility in Europe saying "you know, this pedigree and lineage stuff is all a bunch of horseshit isn't it let's just do whatever?" Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 22, 2019 |
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Hey now holy places having some kind of a detrimental effect on dark forces would be too predictable! You gotta subvert the expectations.
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