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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

yes but guesting ruins my immersion inside other peoples' ships where I never get to see :nallears:

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Chrysophylax
Dec 28, 2006
._.

LCL-Dead posted:

Holy poo poo.

So this guy just posted these replies to some things I said in the Autopilot thread on the :frontear: forums.



I literally laughed so hard that I had to get up and leave the office to compose myself.

There isn't an :allears: big enough... boy

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life
I'm second guessing myself and don't go to planet surfaces that often, am I correct in thinking that they don't really have mountains implemented? Just canyons and "rolling hills"?

Having trouble thinking of a place that had legit verticality and wasn't just a drop into the surface.

Kaddish
Feb 7, 2002
Just bought Horizons recently and jumping back into the game. I'm in desperate need of some credits and have an Asp Explorer - is this Sothis data trading/smuggling thing still viable?

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Mr. Crow posted:

I'm second guessing myself and don't go to planet surfaces that often, am I correct in thinking that they don't really have mountains implemented? Just canyons and "rolling hills"?

Having trouble thinking of a place that had legit verticality and wasn't just a drop into the surface.

I nearly exploded myself when trying to climb some mountains, so they're there.

Kaddish
Feb 7, 2002
Hmm, apparently Aditi is decent for Empire and I'm already allied but only Master. I might check that out.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro

Kaddish posted:

Just bought Horizons recently and jumping back into the game. I'm in desperate need of some credits and have an Asp Explorer - is this Sothis data trading/smuggling thing still viable?

Yup. Running data makes faction rank pretty quick, most of the way to my corvette and more spacemoney than I care what to do with.

Fit your Asp with a 3A scoop, 3A shields, maybe an ADS, and the rest cargo. Slap an upgrade on the FSD to speed up the process. Head out to Sothis and either drop a bunch of exploration data for rep, or run data missions between the three stations. I usually head to Ceos, do the open/private/solo refresh picking up all data missions for the Fed faction and any others worth >100k (do them all if you need rep with the 4 factions around Sothis). Once I finish the board-refresh, I head to Newholm in Sothis: rinse, wash, repeat. Then on to Sothis Mining: rinse, wash, repeat. Pick up any cargo missions worth >200k per ton. When you fill up your hold (don't forget to sell all of the engineer-cargo you got from the data missions!), head into the bubble and drop it all off!

Just keep doing that until you stop caring about money or your eyeballs fall out. :science:

Mr. Crow posted:

I'm second guessing myself and don't go to planet surfaces that often, am I correct in thinking that they don't really have mountains implemented? Just canyons and "rolling hills"?

Having trouble thinking of a place that had legit verticality and wasn't just a drop into the surface.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7kfjfnZZ3I

Shows off the mountain at the beginning, jumps off around 4:00.

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life
Cool, maybe Ill explore more in 2.2 when it's easier to find interesting things with the 3d maps.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Has there been a release date for 2.2 announced?

Valatar
Sep 26, 2011

A remarkable example of a pathetic species.
Lipstick Apathy
"Mid October" is the only date I've found thus far.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
I can't wait for player avatars and walking around to come out around 2018 or so.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
In the meantime someone get Alien dude a loving account.
We should pay him some respect... boys.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Strategic Tea posted:

Has any game ever figured out what to do with multiple crew in a game where one person can fly the whole ship? Discounting that star trek commmand game because that was built around the idea...

Guns of Icarus. It's on steam, and it's a really good game, if a bit lacking in player base. If you want an example of good multicrew, GoI is it.

LCL-Dead
Apr 22, 2014

Grimey Drawer

Yolomon Wayne posted:

In the meantime someone get Alien dude a loving account.
We should pay him some respect... boys.

Speaking of him, I sent him a PM commending him for his absolute loss of composure and received this in reply.

Alien posted:

You pushed the wrong button. You're not the first to say to me that however long I've been on this forum makes no difference, and you are right, your opinion and my opinion have equal weight regardless of time on the forum. But I have been here a long time. I've seen this forum go from 12 people posting and it being quiet and fun to exploding to 100,000 users and a lot of drama. I am fed up of the drama. I'm not the only one.

When I say that I had a part to play in this game even existing, I'm not making it up, or even exaggerating. I'm going to give you a link to a post in 2011, before the kickstarter. This post shows that I had a part to play in Frontier deciding to launch that kickstarter (although I will admit that's still speculation based on the post alone).

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showth...ll=1#post18288

I did recently ask Michael Brookes if my post (linked to here) had a part to play in the reason Frontier launched the kickstarter, and he told me I did.

So when I get a reply like yours, that it makes no difference as to how long I have been here, while true, is also disrespectful and insulting. While I am not going to apologise for it, I'm also not going to hold it against you. You had a valid point, but made it in the wrong thread at the wrong time.

I hope this reply sheds some light on why I said what I said, but it does not excuse me losing my cool, as you said.

Alien

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


LCL-Dead posted:

Speaking of him, I sent him a PM commending him for his absolute loss of composure and received this in reply.

You forgot to add the :qqsay:

This is the best thing :allears:

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






quote:

"I did recently ask Michael Brookes if my post (linked to here) had a part to play in the reason Frontier launched the kickstarter, and he told me I did."

Poor Carstairs. He and it quite broke the man; was never the same since. Space madness, you know? Of course, whenever he's in the club, we humour him. Wouldn't be right not to.

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

Jesus Christ.

Trustworthy
Dec 28, 2004

with catte-like thread
upon our prey we steal
WRONG PLACE WRONG TIME MOTHERFUCKERS

AxeManiac quoted me in a post once, y'all can start sucking my dick around here if you want

radintorov
Feb 18, 2011

Strategic Tea posted:

Has any game ever figured out what to do with multiple crew in a game where one person can fly the whole ship? Discounting that star trek commmand game because that was built around the idea...
Only game that wasn't designed around multicrew that did it well that I know of is the naval warfare sim Dangerous Waters where you can assign players to one or more stations (Sonar/Weapons/TMA/etc) on one ship/sub/helo: it's pretty fun when you have multiple boats with multiple players running each.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Didn't Pirates of the Burning Sea do something like that? There's a bailing minigame, a sailing minigame, a gunning minigame and a navigation minigame and how the 4 people running those minigames are doing determines how many resources the captain has to fight the other captain. Did I just make this up in my head?

IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!

Efexeye posted:

Didn't Pirates of the Burning Sea do something like that? There's a bailing minigame, a sailing minigame, a gunning minigame and a navigation minigame and how the 4 people running those minigames are doing determines how many resources the captain has to fight the other captain. Did I just make this up in my head?

You're thinking of Puzzle Pirates. Pirates of the Burning sea didn't have multicrew ships.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

IAmTheRad posted:

You're thinking of Puzzle Pirates. Pirates of the Burning sea didn't have multicrew ships.

THAT's the one.

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


In a couple hours I shall begin my quest for rank 3 dirty drives. I have 21 chromium, 6 mechanical components and no specialized legacy firmware or microweave cooling hoses.

Wish me luck because I want to get enough for at least ten rerolls.

Mike the TV
Jan 14, 2008

Ninety-nine ninety-nine ninety-nine

Pillbug

TorakFade posted:

In a couple hours I shall begin my quest for rank 3 dirty drives. I have 21 chromium, 6 mechanical components and no specialized legacy firmware or microweave cooling hoses.

Wish me luck because I want to get enough for at least ten rerolls.

The hoses are no big deal, but firmware is a real bitch to find.

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

LCL-Dead posted:

Speaking of him, I sent him a PM commending him for his absolute loss of composure and received this in reply.
The link doesn't work, now we'll never truly know if this guy actually invented the game. :allears:

LCL-Dead
Apr 22, 2014

Grimey Drawer

Pilchenstein posted:

The link doesn't work, now we'll never truly know if this guy actually invented the game. :allears:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/1566-Ask-the-Developers-a-question-or-two?p=18288&viewfull=1#post18288

The copy/pasta from my inbox didn't capture the actual link but still hyperlinked the broken one.

e:

Alien posted:

To use that analogy ...
We are starving for information and it's not us, the potential customers who are dying, it is the support for Frontier, support for Elite, support for Frontier: Elite II, support for Frontier First Encounters and support for Elite 4. THAT IS WHAT IS DYING.

That we have resorted to posting in a thread not intended for discussion on Elite 4 (and I apologise for that), should be a warning signal to those at Frontier that something needs to be done about it.

I have stated above what I think needs to be done, and I'll repeat it here, one post. Just one post that states whether Elite 4 is still going to happen. That is all we are asking for.

It is the silence that is killing the support.

Alien

Not the post I think he wanted to point out but one that follows it shortly thereafter. Dude is a melodramatic queen if I've ever seen one.

LCL-Dead fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Oct 13, 2016

Chrysophylax
Dec 28, 2006
._.
I'm kinda confused about all the multi crew explorer talk. I must be missing something. Exploring is about the simplest activity known to man. You fly to something, you point at it, then you fly away. It's not like it needs multi crew to enhance the experience. Multi crew would only be for showing someone something cool. Something that can be just as easily done with a picture.

If all you want is company, buy a six pack and invite someone over.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Chrysophylax posted:

I'm kinda confused about all the multi crew explorer talk. I must be missing something. Exploring is about the simplest activity known to man. You fly to something, you point at it, then you fly away. It's not like it needs multi crew to enhance the experience. Multi crew would only be for showing someone something cool. Something that can be just as easily done with a picture.

If all you want is company, buy a six pack and invite someone over.

One gets to honk, the other pilots the junk, ifyaknowwhatImean.

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Chrysophylax posted:

I'm kinda confused about all the multi crew explorer talk. I must be missing something. Exploring is about the simplest activity known to man. You fly to something, you point at it, then you fly away. It's not like it needs multi crew to enhance the experience. Multi crew would only be for showing someone something cool. Something that can be just as easily done with a picture.

If all you want is company, buy a six pack and invite someone over.

Fundamentally, this holds true for all activities in Elite. None of them need multi crew, and it's doubtful that it would ever enhance the experience of anything. Indeed, as you point out, exploration — being able to show something off “live” — is probably one of the best use cases.

The notion of using fighters as escort craft holds some romantic connotations, but in practice, it is either completely unnecessary because there is no threat to begin with, or it is an inferior option to just bringing more — and more powerful — ships.

Trustworthy
Dec 28, 2004

with catte-like thread
upon our prey we steal
In my imagination, it would be cool to drop someone off in an SRV, then support them from the air as we assault a base or whatever. Will that be a possibility with multi crew?

(edit: Yes, obviously this seems doable already, just with two ships instead of one.)

Boogalo
Jul 8, 2012

Meep Meep




Multicrew might not optimal but it could be really loving fun if it doesn't get neutered by immersionists.

I have a friend who would totally just be my wingman in a fighter instead of buying/fitting/traveling in his own ships. It can be a gateway drug into the game.

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


Mike the TV posted:

The hoses are no big deal, but firmware is a real bitch to find.

3 hours of board scumming, uss checking, data link scanning at settlements and still only 1 specialised legacy firmware

"very common" my space rear end you fuckers :frontear:

Aethernet
Jan 28, 2009

This is the Captain...

Our glorious political masters have, in their wisdom, decided to form an alliance with a rag-tag bunch of freedom fighters right when the Federation has us at a tactical disadvantage. Unsurprisingly, this has resulted in the Feds firing on our vessels...

Damn you Huxley!

Grimey Drawer

TorakFade posted:

3 hours of board scumming, uss checking, data link scanning at settlements and still only 1 specialised legacy firmware

"very common" my space rear end you fuckers :frontear:

The USSes you want are the ones around inhabited planets, as they contain satellites that have a reasonable SLF drop rate. Try orbiting Earth for a bit.

Although if you're going from small settlement to small settlement only scanning datalinks (you don't need to shoot anything to do this) you should get quite a few.

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


Aethernet posted:

The USSes you want are the ones around inhabited planets, as they contain satellites that have a reasonable SLF drop rate. Try orbiting Earth for a bit.

Although if you're going from small settlement to small settlement only scanning datalinks (you don't need to shoot anything to do this) you should get quite a few.

I found a small settlement and scanned the datalinks, but got no SLF. Then went to a medium security settlement and got blown up by a security Anaconda.

I'm in Deciat right now jumping from settlement to settlement, but not having any luck (either no data links, or plenty of security forces that might mess my poo poo up)

gently caress this poo poo, I'll go check the nearest inhabited earthlike planet

Kaddish
Feb 7, 2002

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Yup. Running data makes faction rank pretty quick, most of the way to my corvette and more spacemoney than I care what to do with.

Fit your Asp with a 3A scoop, 3A shields, maybe an ADS, and the rest cargo. Slap an upgrade on the FSD to speed up the process. Head out to Sothis and either drop a bunch of exploration data for rep, or run data missions between the three stations. I usually head to Ceos, do the open/private/solo refresh picking up all data missions for the Fed faction and any others worth >100k (do them all if you need rep with the 4 factions around Sothis). Once I finish the board-refresh, I head to Newholm in Sothis: rinse, wash, repeat. Then on to Sothis Mining: rinse, wash, repeat. Pick up any cargo missions worth >200k per ton. When you fill up your hold (don't forget to sell all of the engineer-cargo you got from the data missions!), head into the bubble and drop it all off!

Just keep doing that until you stop caring about money or your eyeballs fall out. :science:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7kfjfnZZ3I

Shows off the mountain at the beginning, jumps off around 4:00.

Thanks for the tips - I'm in the middle of my second run back to the bubble and it's absolutely a good money maker. One thing I'm disappointed with is the Fed rank gain from the data missions. It's great for the local factions to unlock those higher tier hauls but a typical set of delivery maybe gives me a 1% increase in Fed. I'm not sure if this is anomaly or what - it's been awhile since I messed with superpower rank.

Also, I see some smuggling missions pop up for like 6 million space bucks for a next system haul (Sothis to Ceos). Is it like the old days where I can blast through the gate to avoid scans? What's the penalty for something like 50t of illegal goods if I'm caught?

Kaddish fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Oct 13, 2016

GuyonthecoucH
Apr 10, 2004

Boogalo posted:

Multicrew might not optimal but it could be really loving fun if it doesn't get neutered by immersionists.

I have a friend who would totally just be my wingman in a fighter instead of buying/fitting/traveling in his own ships. It can be a gateway drug into the game.

Having a "crew pass" version of the game acting as a demo or a discounted version of the game, like Arena, but not a waste of time would be cool.

Earning money, rank, etc that would transfer over to the regular game would probably entice people to upgrade to the full version.

Boogalo
Jul 8, 2012

Meep Meep




GuyonthecoucH posted:

Having a "crew pass" version of the game acting as a demo or a discounted version of the game, like Arena, but not a waste of time would be cool.

Earning money, rank, etc that would transfer over to the regular game would probably entice people to upgrade to the full version.

That would be pretty sweet. Be a wingman for someone for 1/4 pay and don't cut into the host's profits. That's still a ton for a newbie or non-player.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Kaddish posted:

Also, I see some smuggling missions pop up for like 6 million space bucks for a next system haul (Sothis to Ceos). Is it like the old days where I can blast through the gate to avoid scans? What's the penalty for something like 50t of illegal goods if I'm caught?

Nothing, if you don't pay.

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


Managed to get rank 3 dirty drives, a Vulture that does 295 / 490 m/s is something beautiful :getin: now I want a rank 5 multicannon, I think I only need some articulation motors..

Oh God this will never end, won't it? I will just keep upgrading and upgrading and never actually play the game again

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StarkRavingMad
Sep 27, 2001


Yams Fan

TorakFade posted:

Managed to get rank 3 dirty drives, a Vulture that does 295 / 490 m/s is something beautiful :getin: now I want a rank 5 multicannon, I think I only need some articulation motors..

Oh God this will never end, won't it? I will just keep upgrading and upgrading and never actually play the game again

Wait until you decide you need the rank 5 dirty drives :negative:

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