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Vulture Culture posted:Ask them what their budgeted salary range is for the position and see how much whole truth you get back. I've had employers flat up tell me the range, others have simply said they're not interested in sharing until an offer but earlier you said... Vulture Culture posted:The gap's worse than being terminated because you're being dishonest about your work history. If you were unfairly or illegally terminated and took it court and during an interview stated "Well, I enjoyed my last position however the lack of upwards mobility has me seeking new opportunities." while not an ought right lie is still a lie.
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Tab8715 posted:I've had employers flat up tell me the range, others have simply said they're not interested in sharing until an offer but earlier you said... What on earth is your point?
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Tab8715 posted:If you were unfairly or illegally terminated and took it court and during an interview stated "Well, I enjoyed my last position however the lack of upwards mobility has me seeking new opportunities." while not an ought right lie is still a lie.
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Sometimes I think Tab8715 is a sentient AI who is trying to learn human social cues/norms. 
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hey just a friendly reminder that among other things the list of poo poo you shouldn't do is: 1. remote into a system and/or do work on a system of your previous employers because some piece of tail asked you nicely 2. do not go and install loving keyloggers willy-nilly for cash thanks for reading, happy computing
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go3 posted:2. do not go and install loving keyloggers willy-nilly for cash This is some real counter terrorism poo poo
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CLAM DOWN posted:This is some real counter terrorism poo poo The real counterrorists are fighting the good fight to confiscate apples digital signature at the moment. What a bizarre turn that whole thing took.
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Mar 15, 2016 18:13
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Wire me 2k in cash and I'll come in and install those keyloggers.
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GreenNight posted:Wire me 2k in cash and I'll come in and install those keyloggers. Me too, bring on the bitches
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GreenNight posted:Wire me 2k in bitcoin and I'll come in and install those keyloggers.
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LochNessMonster posted:I know you want to set aside the possible lawsuit options but the only right thing for the employee to do is lawyer up. I guess I was thinking about the situation wrong, because this seems like the right answer. My original thinking was "What does the employee do while the lawsuit is happening", which is why I specified to leave the legal stuff aside, but now it appears that was impossible. LochNessMonster posted:if this isn't 100% hypothetical: lawyer up. It was 100% hypothetical, just something that's been nagging me for a while. Thanks for all the discussion, and sorry for the thread derail 
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RyuHimora posted:I guess I was thinking about the situation wrong, because this seems like the right answer. My original thinking was "What does the employee do while the lawsuit is happening", which is why I specified to leave the legal stuff aside, but now it appears that was impossible. Glad it's just something you were thinking about and not actually happening. It's a lovely situation to be in. As to what an employee can due during the lawsuit is fairly straight forward. 1) play along and sccept you were fired. 2) say you don't agree with their reasoning and tell them you'll contact your attorney. Mention you want to continue to work for the company. Either they'll escort you out or they'll let you work there until the company lawyer settles things with employee lawyer. Option 2 is fairly common in my country, but I from what I hear it's not common in the US.
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LochNessMonster posted:Option 2 is fairly common in my country, but I from what I hear it's not common in the US. US at-will employment owns. You can be fired in at-will states for no reason at all, and in fact that's a recommended way for employers to fire people so as to not accidentally cite a protected status.
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:US at-will employment owns. You can be fired in at-will states for no reason at all, and in fact that's a recommended way for employers to fire people so as to not accidentally cite a protected status. Out of curiosity, is there any chance you get severence pay in court, or work something out between lawyers outside of court? Or is it more of a tough luck deal with it kinda thing?
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LochNessMonster posted:Out of curiosity, is there any chance you get severence pay in court, or work something out between lawyers outside of court? Or is it more of a tough luck deal with it kinda thing? I know firsthand of this because of a previous employee. Even in at will states you can still sue for unlawful termination. Generally he said she said isn't enough to have a successful case from what I gathered from our lawyers. However, some things make it dicey for employers. 1: Firing an employee with no paper trail of bad work performance or misconduct. 2: Firing someone that is a protected class. Woman/disabled/non-white/etc 3: Firing someone after they were injured on the job. Almost all these are brought up in civil court which anything could happen. Most are settled outside of court. My company will fire someone and always give them a small severance. The severance is given on you signing away your rights to sue basically from its wording. Most never make it to court and depending on the law firm the employee hires most are settled out of court.
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LochNessMonster posted:Out of curiosity, is there any chance you get severence pay in court, or work something out between lawyers outside of court? Or is it more of a tough luck deal with it kinda thing? Standard not-a-lawyer disclaimer - I've also never been fired - but I think the best you can do is hope for unemployment which is difficult. It depends on what they cite as the reason (if they cite one at all) that you were fired. But for your most common, cookie-cutter "You're fired" situations, I think you're basically screwed unless you want to try to go to court and try prove you were fired due to discrimination, hostile work environment, etc., which is a long shot. To put it another way, I would of course talk to a lawyer if I thought I was fired without cause, but I wouldn't have much hope of anything coming of it. Edit: For contrast, there's this: Riot Pays Employees $25,000 To Quit Japanese Dating Sim fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Basically if you can't make up the paperwork to justify firing a protected class then you're an idiot and shouldn't be in business anyways Also you should just get them to quit by being a passive aggressive rear end in a top hat and turning their work day into 8 hours of misery Proud Christian Mom fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:US at-will employment owns. You can be fired in at-will states for no reason at all, and in fact that's a recommended way for employers to fire people so as to not accidentally cite a protected status. Yeah, the first time I fired someone I was specifically instructed to state that the reason was something super ambiguous like "the company is moving in another direction". We couldn't cite any of the numerous issues we had with the employee because it presumably would have opened us up to a lawsuit or unfair termination claim or whatever. At least we're not total shitheads and don't dispute unemployment claims when we fire people, I guess.
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Crisis Adverted, boss wanted to see what websites people were logging in through proxies. So the compromise was setting up a white list on the company routers, and I still got the bonus, which I'm using on a new suit for interviews 
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Turtlicious posted:Crisis Adverted, boss wanted to see what websites people were logging in through proxies. So the compromise was setting up a white list on the company routers, and I still got the bonus, which I'm using on a new suit for interviews Make sure the money isn't counterfeit.
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Turtlicious posted:Crisis Adverted, boss wanted to see what websites people were logging in through proxies. So the compromise was setting up a white list on the company routers, and I still got the bonus, which I'm using on a new suit for interviews This post is great for several reasons.
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My suit supply suit, tie bar tie, Allen Edmonds, and me undies. My interview power suit
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Turtlicious posted:Crisis Adverted, boss wanted to see what websites people were logging in through proxies. So the compromise was setting up a white list on the company routers, and I still got the bonus, which I'm using on a new suit for interviews 
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Turtlicious posted:Crisis Adverted, boss wanted to see what websites people were logging in through proxies. So the compromise was setting up a white list on the company routers, and I still got the bonus, which I'm using on a new suit for interviews Save money for tailoring, that will make any decent suit look like a million bucks. Please don't go to Jos. A Banks.
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Sickening posted:I know firsthand of this because of a previous employee. I fired a guy for literally doing a bump of coke on his desk as I walked in the door with a customer in at at-will state. He sued. We lost. We had to pay for lost wages and cover his insurance for almost 4 months. The reason we lost? I hadn't written him up previously for doing lines of coke on his desk. No, I'm not joking.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Save money for tailoring, that will make any decent suit look like a million bucks. Please don't go to Jos. A Banks. All of my suits are Jos. A Banks.  What's wrong with them? (They are all tailored.)
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They've usually got big shoulder pads and low arm holes, which make them look really awkward in motion. Their cuts tend not to be very flattering. There's other construction details and fabric stuff, but those aren't the main thing. They're just definitely cheap suits, and if you got them on 3 for 1 or something for regular wear, that's not a bad deal. But if you're buying a special occasion suit and have the money, it's better to get a nicer one. Are you in a decent sized city, Turtlicious? Suit Supply is good, if you have one. J Crew is good. Brooks Brothers (not outlets) are good if you get them on sale. Or one of the big department stores like Nordstrom / Nieman Marcus / Saks. If you're in a smaller town, I'm pretty sure Suit Supply has free shipping and returns, and guides to help you figure out roughly what size you are. I'm too broke for any of those places, though. I need to get a new job so I can buy a cheap suit for my wedding and Florida job interviews. My current best-fitting suit is flannel, and I'm pretty sure that heatstroke wouldn't be a good lead-up to an interview.
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H110Hawk posted:All of my suits are Jos. A Banks.
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DigitalMocking posted:I fired a guy for literally doing a bump of coke on his desk as I walked in the door with a customer in at at-will state. You don't have contracts that cover this kind of poo poo? Under influence on the job = fired.
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Sprechensiesexy posted:You don't have contracts that cover this kind of poo poo? Under influence on the job = fired. Yeah, that's pretty much baked into our employee handbook. After hours? Don't care. On the job? Care a lot and will get you fired.
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... and this was in front of a CUSTOMER, no less. That's amazing. It's like suing and winning because he hadn't been written up for jerking it on videoconferences before.
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DigitalMocking posted:I fired a guy for literally doing a bump of coke on his desk as I walked in the door with a customer in at at-will state. I must admit the at will concept sounds pretty crazy to me from an employee point of view. This puts things in perspective though.
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Sprechensiesexy posted:You don't have contracts that cover this kind of poo poo? Under influence on the job = fired. Surely committing literal felonies on the job also = fired.
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LochNessMonster posted:This puts things in perspective though. Sure does...  Recruiting is so much easier now
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DigitalMocking posted:I fired a guy for literally doing a bump of coke on his desk as I walked in the door with a customer in at at-will state. No you see he was just creatively taking his adderall.
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I've applied for a job as a printer salesman. I'm coming after each and every one of you.
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Woah, did you guys hear that? The sound of a hundred ignore and spam lists all being updated at once, sure is amazing.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Woah, did you guys hear that? The sound of a hundred ignore and spam lists all being updated at once, sure is amazing. Hahahaha
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22 Eargesplitten posted:They've usually got big shoulder pads and low arm holes, which make them look really awkward in motion. Their cuts tend not to be very flattering. There's other construction details and fabric stuff, but those aren't the main thing. They're just definitely cheap suits, and if you got them on 3 for 1 or something for regular wear, that's not a bad deal. But if you're buying a special occasion suit and have the money, it's better to get a nicer one. Are you in a decent sized city, Turtlicious? Suit Supply is good, if you have one. J Crew is good. Brooks Brothers (not outlets) are good if you get them on sale. Or one of the big department stores like Nordstrom / Nieman Marcus / Saks. If you're in a smaller town, I'm pretty sure Suit Supply has free shipping and returns, and guides to help you figure out roughly what size you are. Fair enough. I don't recall the shoulder pads being really egregious in my suits, though I did get a sport coat from them I have yet to wear for that very reason. Low arm holes rings a bell, the suit certainly lifts with my arms more than I would like. I didn't realize Brooks Brothers was that much of a step up, I thought they were roughly equivalent. The closest one is way on the other side of LA from me. I will keep all of this in mind the next time I buy a suit, which likely won't be for years and years. (I own 2 or 3 suits and a tux from them. )
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