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Ligur posted:Onneksi on unelma. Joo jaa, ei tässä mitään ihmeempää kyllä ne tulijat on liberaaleja sosiaalidemareita kuitenkin yleensä, ja kyllähän persutkin kivittää transuja rangaistukseksi niin sen takia ei voi olla huolestunut mistään paitsi persuista. en puhu natsia ja sivu ei muutenkaan toimi adblockilla
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Nauta posted:en puhu natsia ja sivu ei muutenkaan toimi adblockilla Saan kohta jäähyä koska postasin jonneen ehkä jotain elä huoli
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Mihin vitun jonneen? Could we please have a rule that if you can't post in English, you at least have to post in Finnish?
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Nauta posted:en puhu natsia ja sivu ei muutenkaan toimi adblockilla https://translate.google.com/transl...bildMobile.html Tl;dr some swarty young men decided to maintain public morality by assaulting two transsexuals. The site seems a bit weird tho, as do the translations of the other articles. Idk.
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Rexroom posted:your woman
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Is this the beginning of the chorus of a Bacharach track?
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I will abuse the english language and not feel bad about it at all.
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Jan 16, 2016 22:29
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It sounds just as bad in Finnish 
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Yeah but there are still different cultural standards for what constitutes abuse/violence (a slap? restraining someone? or just flat out smacking your bitch up) and maybe cultural differences even in answering the survey Do you have any reason to suspect that the cultural differences between European women in this regard are so pronounced as to affect the results in any meaningful way? e: I'm not saying you're wrong, mind, but I had a quick look through the questionnaire, and, considering the questions, I deem it very unlikely. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:Do you have any reason to suspect that the cultural differences between European women in this regard are so pronounced as to affect the results in any meaningful way? yes. questionnaire surveys are the most unreliable form of statistics
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Nauta posted:yes. questionnaire surveys are the most unreliable form of statistics And yet criminologists generally view victimization surveys as the most realistic measure of crime. Weird.
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maybe because it's hard to measure victimization in other ways?
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Question no N: Have you had any hard objects thrown at you lately? German Fraulein: Nein. Well there was a vase, I guess, but it wasn't TEMPERED KRUPP STEEL. So no, definitely not!
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:Do you have any reason to suspect that the cultural differences between European women in this regard are so pronounced as to affect the results in any meaningful way? People don't tell the truth about taboo or shameful subjects even in a perfectly worded survey. I'd claim that there are considerable cultural differences about this and many other things even between different generations of people currently living in Finland. I personally know some older people who still think that divorce or breast cancer are so embarrassing that they should never be spoken of. It is not at all implausible to think that maybe there are differences between countries, when there certainly are even within countries. Yours is a bit of a trick question though. I'm guessing that most courteous people would be unwilling to speculate how Spain, Italy, Austria, Poland or Greece maybe underreport their numbers (note: maybe the Pope has banned beating women, see also Ireland), because making such an accusation without good evidence is really quite rude. So let me ask the question this way: Is there a good reason to believe that the Danes actually abuse their women 50-300% more as any of those five nationalities. What makes the Danes so much worse than anyone else? Note that there isn't an existing stereotype of a sulky and violent Dane, like there is of a Finn. Is this really the reason why the numbers are more believable about Finland than about Denmark? That it corresponds with our pre-existing notions and stereotypes? edit: misread the scale on the map vuohi fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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vuohi posted:Yours is a bit of a trick question though. I'm guessing that most courteous people would be unwilling to speculate how Spain, Italy, Austria, Poland or Greece maybe underreport their numbers (note: maybe the Pope has banned beating women, see also Ireland), because making such an accusation without good evidence is really quite rude. So let me ask the question this way: Is there a good reason to believe that the Danes actually abuse their women 50-300% more as any of those five nationalities. What makes the Danes so much worse than anyone else? I don't care (or know enough, really) to speculate (although I'm tempted to answer "this survey, for one"). But let's posit there are none; what cultural mores, then, could explain the differences between the women surveyed in Denmark on the one hand, and the women surveyed in the Netherlands, Germany and Sweden on the other, to the extent that they understand and/or answer questions such as (literally) "have you had any hard objects thrown at you" differently? Four culturally very similar countries? And why, then, should have I reason to believe that those cultural differences are a more likely explanation to the answers given, than, you know, the women having actually experienced X thing or not? e: It seems, to me, an odd conclusion to draw, although I do not (obviously) discount the possibility. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Haha, the forum title now reflects the primary mental occupation of far too many posters. Wonder if that's sarcasm!
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Ligur posted:Haha, the forum title now reflects the primary mental occupation of far too many posters. Hmm The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion: Ligur Is Racist is what I see so no it's not sarcasm.
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You forgot to say that is what you literally see.
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Calling people racists can have dire consequences: http://www.hs.fi/paivanlehti/17012016/a1452832390604
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:I don't care (or know enough, really) to speculate (although I'm tempted to answer "this survey, for one"). But let's posit there are none; what cultural mores, then, could explain the differences between the women surveyed in Denmark on the one hand, and the women surveyed in the Netherlands, Germany and Sweden on the other, to the extent that they understand and/or answer questions such as (literally) "have you had any hard objects thrown at you" differently? Four culturally very similar countries? And why, then, should have I reason to believe that those cultural differences are a more likely explanation to the answers given, then, you know, the women having actually experienced X thing or not? Second, as we can assume from the surprising difference between Poland (conservative, less affluent, former Soviet bloc, high general crime level) and Denmark (liberal, affluent, Central Europe, low general crime level) that people probably don't always answer truthfully even to a perfectly clear questionnaire. Or that people who would have to give answers that they would consider shameful, embarrassing or distressing just don't answer at all, skewing the results through omission. Any basic book or course about the quantitative methodology of social studies will tell you this, and since we are talking about the interpretation of statistics on the internet, I assume that you have gone to a such course. If a quantitative social study produces results that heavily contradict common sense, it is pretty much a good reason to consider that study suspect until further study is done. Especially if the subject is something that immediately roils a lot of emotions for and against. I'm sure you have seen this happen plenty of times.
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SnowblindFatal posted:Calling people racists can have dire consequences: http://www.hs.fi/paivanlehti/17012016/a1452832390604 couple pages back people snarked that this isn't a thing
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Nauta posted:couple pages back people snarked that this isn't a thing They did? It was on the news (foreign news) months ago.
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they sure did
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Nauta posted:they sure did I don't actually read what other people post here 
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well to be fair it might have been just one person. i don't recall all the details and i don't care enough to double check
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Nauta posted:well to be fair it might have been just one person. i don't recall all the details and i don't care enough to double check I hope it wasn't me.
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Natsit häiriköimässä ihmisiä kaduilla! eiku https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n85LwLsvSfc
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vuohi posted:First, based on that map, we don't know if the difference between Denmark and the rest of Central Europe is 1 or 10 percentage points. Maybe there isn't a considerable difference between these culturally quite similar countries, even though the change in colouring on the map is dramatic. What we do know is that the reported difference between Denmark and Poland/Greece/Austria is at least 11 percentage points, with Denmark reporting more than 50 percent higher numbers. I acknowledge your second and third point both, except I don't think that the results, in this case, necessarily contradict common sense as much as they challenge, perhaps, poorly supported preconceptions. As for point one:  e: I almost forgot: literally! Hi ligur! 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJUqhm2g08
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So how long until
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(My bet: it's already happened but I can't confirm since I don't read Homma or MV)
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Have you considered posting on reddit, you might be happier there
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it's funny because it's true 
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Nauta posted:it's funny because it's true Happiness is never true.
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I don't think I've ever heard of groups of Finnish men acting like this, vaikka kuinka intetään että kyllähän suomalaisetkin. First it was the rape and general molesting wave, now we read about group harassment with groping and punching of women involved regularly? Ei vittu! Now that these guys are here, I'm afraid women have to get used to this being the new normal, since to the joy of unelmaväki, we can't get rid of them either unless they personally want to leave  Ihanaa rikkautta mitä jerrycotton -osasto on tänne tilannut. Kyllä nyt kelpaa! <3 What boggles the mind is that the same people who are going out of their minds because "Soldiers of Odin" patrol the streets (exactly because the above happens) are very, very silent when it comes to these very real group harassment cases, as long as the perpetrators are the "correct" people. I don't get the double standard. Even less, as there are no known cases of the volunteer patrols actually doing anything, when the opposite is true when it comes these new comers.
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:I acknowledge your second and third point both, except that the results, in this case, necessarily contradict common sense as much as they challenge, perhaps, poorly supported preconceptions. Yours is also a fair point, and I do I hope that the idea "I am probably unaware of the amount of domestic violence happening around me" becomes a part of "the common sense" as soon as possible. Just to make it clear, whether Denmark, Finland or Netherlands has 25, 30 or 32 percent of the women experience domestic violence in their lifetimes, any of those is a high number and I don't mean to belittle that in the least. Even if the definition of violence is a very broad one, that kind of results are very unfortunate. I do have a bone to pick with the press reporting these things inaccurately or in a sensationalist manner, and that's why I can be a bit pedantic.
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Welp, it's now literally been proven that street patrols do not, in fact, increase security. A bunch of people attacked a kebab restaurant and three people got stabbed. Now I'm not saying it was a street patrol that attacked the kebab place but obviously Oulu is not in a state of heightened security if brouhahas like this can take place. Natsikkihuoras 0, suvakkihuoras 1 
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Jerry Cotton posted:Welp, it's now literally been proven that street patrols do not, in fact, increase security. A bunch of people attacked a kebab restaurant and three people got stabbed. Now I'm not saying it was a street patrol that attacked the kebab place but obviously Oulu is not in a state of heightened security if brouhahas like this can take place. Natsikkihuoras 0, suvakkihuoras 1 Is kebab a sacrifice you are willing to make?
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