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jm20 posted:Strip clubs in Ontario are basically owned by biker gangs too Different lights.
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Kibayasu posted:This is what legal weed looks like hippies. Get used to it!
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May 26, 2016 20:08
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The difference between strippers and weed is that strippers aren't about to be legalized
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May 26, 2016 20:09
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Helsing posted:I've been trying to tell you guys for a while now that legalized weed would be a lot more annoying and expensive. If legal weed ends up being more expensive than black market stuff, won't that just further encourage black market trade?
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May 26, 2016 20:12
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Do it ironically posted:when i was an exchange student in germany my host mother told me i couldnt stand up to piss and i nearly laughed at how dumb the germans are in this respect
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May 26, 2016 20:17
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Drunk Canuck posted:The difference between strippers and weed is that strippers aren't about to be legalized Also, smoking them is strongly discouraged.
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May 26, 2016 20:22
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JVNO posted:If legal weed ends up being more expensive than black market stuff, won't that just further encourage black market trade? I think there's a bit of wiggle room. I imagine a lot of people will be willing to pay a bit of a premium just to avoid dealing with black market dealers / keep things above board. But I think it was Washington State that legalized and then taxed so heavily that the black market is still thriving.
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 Property tax, fare hikes, and road tolls officially proposed to fund Metro Vancouver transit expansion quote:One year after the failed regional public transit plebiscite, TransLink’s Mayors’ Council has announced its 10-year plan on how it will fund the municipal level share in expanding Metro Vancouver’s public transit system. 
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May 26, 2016 20:28
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JVNO posted:If legal weed ends up being more expensive than black market stuff, won't that just further encourage black market trade? How often do you buy black market alcohol? It's probably cheaper than your local liquor store, just so you know.
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JVNO posted:If legal weed ends up being more expensive than black market stuff, won't that just further encourage black market trade? It might, and some people will probably continue to purchase on the black market, but not everyone has access to a black market. More importantly, there's now a political constituency who wants to corner a new and lucrative market and who is willing to toss money at elected officials to make this happen. There is a reason that I spend so much time in this thread ranting about the importance of organized interests and institutions. This is what drives a lot of lawmaking and economic policy: the jockeying and lobbying for influence between different groups. The most we can hope for at this point is that the lobbying efforts of various different businesses or interest groups will cancel each other out to some extent and ensure that whatever laws go onto the books aren't too egregiously lovely. Ideally we're going to get the police less involved in marijuana issues, it would be unfortunate if the end result is actually that the police now have elected officials pressuring them to be more pro-active on prosecuting marijuana traffickers because suddenly there's a business group whose profits are being threatened by black or grey market activity. Part of the problem right now is it's not actually clear what the real motivations behind legalization are. Some people think it's a way to increase tax revenue. Others (including the government behind the legalization efforts) argue that legalization will give the government more ability to control who accesses marijuana in the first place. My own opinion is that marijuana should stop being used as an excuse to inflate police powers or to create more layers of government bureaucracy. It will be especially lovely if the end result of this process is that yuppies now get to puff on legal dope in Rosedale or the Annex while the poors continue to be harassed by the state because they don't have the money or social resources to access through the newly legalized channels.
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May 26, 2016 20:31
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vyelkin posted:How often do you buy black market alcohol? Personally? Never. I've consumed bootleg but never bought. Black market booze isn't exactly rare in Newfoundland, between moonshine and bootleggers on the south coast importing from St .Pierre.
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May 26, 2016 20:40
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We saw the same thing play out with black market smokes. I've seen lots of people buying them: my morally flexible dad just wanted to save money, homeless people don't have the money to spend, and high schoolers pay a premium for whatever they can get. You can't buy what you can't find though, so when the government really started cracking down it was on you to seek out your own sources and that's not something everyone can be arsed to do.
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May 26, 2016 20:45
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I know quite a few people that make their own beer and wine. I can't say I know anyone with their own tobacco field though.
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May 26, 2016 20:58
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THC posted:
Yessssss! Crazy it will take till 2021 to get the tolls in place though. Distance based pricing I can see being trickier with a lot more technical and political hurdles, but just getting bridge tolls in place on every bridge at the very least seems pretty straightforward. It's not exactly newfangled tech.
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May 26, 2016 21:01
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They should raise property taxes more and hike fares less.
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May 26, 2016 21:06
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Agreed, but 2% won't hurt much. $2.15 for a typical trip is still 22% less than I used to pay before Compass cards.
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I can get behind that far more than a sales tax increase. Also, holy poo poo, homeowners getting pissy about a $3.00 property tax increase on their $1.5 million dollar houses.
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May 26, 2016 21:28
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vyelkin posted:How often do you buy black market alcohol? Agreed, though people could still grow it at home since unlike liquor it's a raw commodity. I'm interested to see how federal legislation works around this, and if any provision for "u-grow" places will be written in.
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May 26, 2016 21:36
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Cultural Imperial was in the news yesterday trying to obstruct a police investigation.
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a primate posted:Agreed, though people could still grow it at home since unlike liquor it's a raw commodity. I'm interested to see how federal legislation works around this, and if any provision for "u-grow" places will be written in. I would say it's probable that the legislation will allow for some kind of small-scale home growing, the same way you can legally brew small batches of your own beer. Either way, homebrew or homegrow is not putting money into the hands of criminal enterprises so that's a plus.
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vyelkin posted:I would say it's probable that the legislation will allow for some kind of small-scale home growing, the same way you can legally brew small batches of your own beer. Either way, homebrew or homegrow is not putting money into the hands of criminal enterprises so that's a plus. Home brew is a pain in the rear end though and you don't get that much. Marijuana is pretty easy to grow. 1 good plant outside can make 500 grams in perfect conditions so let's say 300 grams because I'm a pothead, that's like 11 ounces at $200 an ounce for medium quality, $2,200 bucks worth of weed per plant right? A decent craft beer is $3 a can. If I could plant a craft beer shrub in my front yard that would produce 733 tallboys worth of intoxicant over the summer, I'd plant the poo poo out of that.
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cowofwar posted:As long as you're the one cleaning the bathroom you can do what you want. we were, it was me and another guy in my program. the host family turned out to be real lovely they didnt work and got all their income from housing international students and ignoring them. some of the other people in my program got wicked host families though
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Ikantski posted:Home brew is a pain in the rear end though and you don't get that much. Marijuana is pretty easy to grow. 1 good plant outside can make 500 grams in perfect conditions so let's say 300 grams because I'm a pothead, that's like 11 ounces at $200 an ounce for medium quality, $2,200 bucks worth of weed per plant right? A decent craft beer is $3 a can. I've always wondered how you managed to lead a comfortable middle class life out in the boonies. It never occurred to me you were a farmer.
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Ikantski posted:Home brew is a pain in the rear end though and you don't get that much. Marijuana is pretty easy to grow. 1 good plant outside can make 500 grams in perfect conditions so let's say 300 grams because I'm a pothead, that's like 11 ounces at $200 an ounce for medium quality, $2,200 bucks worth of weed per plant right? A decent craft beer is $3 a can.
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infernal machines posted:I've always wondered how you managed to lead a comfortable middle class life out in the boonies. no job shaming this is the canpoli hugbox
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If you can afford a front lawn you can afford legal pot.
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Now here's a question, do you think the crown will persue charges against the retail employees of the raided dispensaries? VICE mentions at least one employee being charged with trafficking in connection with the raids today. jm20 posted:no job shaming this is the canpoli hugbox I have mad respect for farmers
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infernal machines posted:It never occurred to me you were a farmer. I technically am a farmer for some legal purposes but my cash crop is mainly just poorly documented code. infernal machines posted:Now here's a question, do you think the crown will persue charges against the retail employees of the raided dispensaries? With Bill Blair behind it? They're hosed. And any person stupid enough to take a front line job distributing illegal drugs (ooh but it's in a store) should probably be removed from society for everybody's safety. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/bill-blair-calls-out-weed-dispensaries-for-being-reckless
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infernal machines posted:Now here's a question, do you think the crown will persue charges against the retail employees of the raided dispensaries? Whoops misread employees as customers. Yeah they are boned and rightly so. Also if you can manage to get a pot plant to maturity in your front lawn without anyone complaining about the stench or visiting it at three in the morning with clippers, you can probably afford to pay someone else to grow it for you. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 22:46 on May 26, 2016 |
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Wynne now says the leaked climate plan was not correct and Ontario will not phase out the use of natural gas to heat homes
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quote:Vancouver-based pot activist Jodie Emery, who is in Toronto to open two new pot shops this week, came to Eden to witness the raid. She shamed police there and said Justin Trudeau is doing more harm to the cannabis community than his tough-on-crime predecessor Stephen Harper. This is the same Jodie Emery who stumped for the Liberals in the election, lol.
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Ikantski posted:With Bill Blair behind it? They're hosed. And any person stupid enough to take a front line job distributing illegal drugs (ooh but it's in a store) should probably be removed from society for everybody's safety. I'm inclined to agree, but I could easily believe a lot of them were just naïve 20-somethings who bought the "it's a grey area" bullshit, not realizing exactly how illegal trafficking remains. THC posted:This is the same Jodie Emery who stumped for the Liberals in the election, lol. Funny that.
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flakeloaf posted:Just to be sure I understand the context here, this was a remembrance ceremony on Irish land for the English soldiers who were killed during the uprising against the English occupation of Ireland? The uprising that led pretty much directly into the Irish war of independence? Because I can definitely see Irish nationalists having legitimate problems with that sort of thing. Doesn't make running in and yelling gibberish during someone else's solemn remembrance okay but I can definitely see the motivation. Reports say he was yelling "This is an insult" and "It's a disgrace". Yes, just gibberish, what an rear end in a top hat! On an unrelated note, JT was only trying to help the Conservative whip get to his seat! Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 23:53 on May 26, 2016 |
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May 26, 2016 23:49
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vyelkin posted:Wynne now says the leaked climate plan was not correct and Ontario will not phase out the use of natural gas to heat homes So... would the OLP intentionally leak a draft climate plan, subsequently modify it according to public outcry, then claim that the leaked details were false? Or is that crazy conspiracy talk?
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Trees and Squids posted:So... would the OLP intentionally leak a draft climate plan, subsequently modify it according to public outcry, then claim that the leaked details were false? Or is that crazy conspiracy talk? Sounds about right. That's not unheard of in politics in general.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Shoot me for I no longer fear death. Someone begins to understand.
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infernal machines posted:And since there's no way for unlicensed dispensaries to buy from licensed growers, there's a 100% chance every one of these places were sourcing their product from organized crime, which pending legalization or no, is still frowned upon. This is possibly the stupidest thing ever posted in CanPol, so give yourself a pat on the back. For those of you who aren't gibbering dipfuck and want the correct answer, the vast majority of cannabis sold in dispensaries is back door MMAR grown weed.
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Helsing posted:It might, and some people will probably continue to purchase on the black market, but not everyone has access to a black market. PM me. Edit to add content: what you are seeing in Toronto is just the latest shot in a long running war. The licenced producers are currently trying to bribe their way to victory, and evidently they've pushed the right combo of buttons to make Toronto make a huge mistake. Seriously this is the Soap Raids all over again, this is going to cost millions of dollars and end up in the courts. And if you haven't been paying attention, the courts are sick of the government's poo poo, both generally and more specifically with regard to cannabis law. See also Allard decision. This is just a naked power grab by a few monied interests with ties to the LPC, trying to grab control of a $6 billion industry and put tens or hundreds of thousands of people out of work in the process. I know ironic detachment is the favourite means of faking intelligence around here, and of course pot is for dirty hippies and not for polluting the purity of Mentats like you guys, but maybe just maybe y'all could muster some of the outrage you directed at Enbridge pocketing the energy regulations in this country and direct it towards one of the most naked economic power grabs we've had in this country since utility deregulation. Franks Happy Place fucked around with this message at 02:54 on May 27, 2016 |
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Franks Happy Place posted:This is possibly the stupidest thing ever posted in CanPol, so give yourself a pat on the back. Have you only been following the thread for an hour or something
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