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Ruzihm posted:ya, this is just embarrassing
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social democracy is considered communism in the united states
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it's still bad, but I don't think anyone is surprised that the DSA candidate to actually make into office isn't a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist or further left than that
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I’ll take a socdem over a neolib anyday. accelerationism is an inherently privileged position
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A Typical Goon posted:I’ll take a socdem over a neolib anyday. accelerationism is an inherently privileged position What if I want to die?
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Dreddout posted:What if I want to die? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82zY9oAIu7A
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The real difference in development for China and India, is that the communist foundation of China featured rule by a party that was willing to wage class warfare on the landlords and religious superstitions that would allow it to modernize through central planning. In India "Nehruvian Socialism" was a failure, since they tried to reform their way out of the caste system and feudalistic class relations - with a hodgepodge of different state governments that couldn't allow for effective central planning.
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A Typical Goon posted:I’ll take a socdem over a neolib anyday. accelerationism is an inherently privileged position Yeah it'd be nice if we could pass some social democratic measures here in the US, but simply having Ocasio-Cortez in Congress (which people lauded as a great step for socialists) we're just going to have another person like Bernie talking all the time about how we need to reform capitalism and not being able to do anything. Neoliberals and social democrats are two sides of the same coin.
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Infernot posted:Yeah it'd be nice if we could pass some social democratic measures here in the US, but simply having Ocasio-Cortez in Congress (which people lauded as a great step for socialists) we're just going to have another person like Bernie talking all the time about how we need to reform capitalism and not being able to do anything. Neoliberals and social democrats are two sides of the same coin.
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A Typical Goon posted:I’ll take a socdem over a neolib anyday. accelerationism is an inherently privileged position im not particularly privledged I just have suicidal ideation op
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Infernot posted:https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1014942016457801728?s=19 loving lol Oh and there are no revolutions without blood, whining about how accelerationism is bad because people will suffer betrays a complete lack of historical understanding; a lot of innocent and oppressed people are going to die before anything begins to substantially change Wheeee fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Jul 6, 2018 |
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Larry Parrish posted:im not particularly privledged I just have suicidal ideation op 
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Wheeee posted:loving lol
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of course it doesnt necessarily lead to revolution, but its a necessary component Americans have sat on their asses for decades as their quality of life has decreased, as poor children have gone hungry and without access to real education or healthcare, and have shrugged as tens of thousands of people die every year simply because they didnt have access to healthcare but holy poo poo you split a few thousand kids away from their parents before throwing them into detainment and everyone goes apeshit, because while its nothing in the face of already existing suffering and injustice that everyone just shrugs at its new and highly visible and not a part of business as usual people will adjust to anything if its gradual enough, it takes being shocked to actually generate the anger that wakes people up
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maybe if we harnessed some deed to spread our ideas
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propaganda of the feed.
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i'm going through old chavez speeches until he talks about public libraries to own you guys
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I'm already so loving mad at the state of things, is it really so wrong to want things to be just enough worse that other people in real life are mad too. Because I feel like a crazy person since the only people I know that agree with me are online
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i don't think the problem is a lack of 'madness' tho, it's a lack of awareness or imagination. everyone knows everything is hosed, but they can't accept the possibility of anything different. It's all a result of the shadow cast by the soviet union - when it died, the dream of anything better died with it. it's gonna just take time for that to change, and it's gonna take real world examples of alternatives.
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people are appropriately mad, they're just being told to blame the brown people
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rudatron posted:They're really not, and the fact that right wing media meltdown over both shows otherwise Irrational people can have irrational meltdowns, you know
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Infernot posted:Yeah it'd be nice if we could pass some social democratic measures here in the US, but simply having Ocasio-Cortez in Congress (which people lauded as a great step for socialists) we're just going to have another person like Bernie talking all the time about how we need to reform capitalism and not being able to do anything. Neoliberals and social democrats are two sides of the same coin. lol
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Karl Barks posted:Straightforward from here:
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Zug Zug.
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Sounds good except for the part where everyone reading this is brutally killed in step 2 but w/e.
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Matt Lindland posted:Sounds good except for the part where everyone reading this is brutally killed in step 2 but w/e. your right it sounds great
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I've read a rhizzone article about the bayer-monsanto merge and how the chemical industry is assraping the Earth and now I'm super depressed
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Matt Lindland posted:Sounds good except for the part where everyone reading this is brutally killed in step 2 but w/e. That's the best part.
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Don't get me wrong folks - I agree.
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hold on a minute, i didn't sign up for a death cult folks. i'm one of the good ones
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anyone who goes around and refers to themselves as "a small business owner" is usually completely insufferable
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Plutonis posted:I've read a rhizzone article about the bayer-monsanto merge and how the chemical industry is assraping the Earth and now I'm super depressed I'm reading a good book called The Mushroom at the End of the World and it's one of the few environmental books with any hope at all left it rules.
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an actual dog posted:I'm reading a good book called The Mushroom at the End of the World and it's one of the few environmental books with any hope at all left it rules. that looks cool
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There's always these complaints about the left not having clear leaders. None of them are charismatic enough to stand out as #1. Mostly because everyone can plainly see center liberals are all coward shits. But what if more people knew by heart the list of prominent far leftists instead? Maybe because of the above that would make the far left seem more powerful relative to the liberals. If we can immediately recall a list we can teach it. People who are on the fence about the far left might hop on board if they learn who else is already there. They'll look those figures up and realize they seem formidable next to a liberal. Suppose we try to put together a "chart" for us to summarize whose names and faces of everyone who the left has a priority to spread. An image / grid showing the ~40 most prominent leftist figures and what they're famous for. The rows could be careers (like politicians, activists, reporters, twitterers, authors, comedians, talk show hosts, celebrities) and the horizontal axis could sort by the spectrum of more/less leftist beliefs all the way to the bad people. Everyone in the left should share a visual "guide" around to learn and teach which politicians to follow and get behind in a united front. It reminds me of how essential the DSA voter guide was for everyone on the left to know about during the recent California local elections, and how lost I would have been without it trying to look up which local candidate is the most left. Since no leftist names besides Sanders/Warren are familiar to most people outside this forum, maybe broaden to axes enough that we get a good mix of name recognition and new names, to drive curiosity. Doing the rows by career could help with this, because on the comedian one you could just go all famous faces, on an axis from the non-left ones to Conan/Meyers to Michelle Wolf / John Oliver and beyond. Show people where these personalities stand. Whose faces and names belong? Who do you think is doing the most for the left, either through speech or works or political clout? Whose names do we want to get out to show we have inspiring leaders compared to liberals? Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jul 7, 2018 |
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Dumb Lowtax posted:There's always these complaints about the left not having clear leaders.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:There's always these complaints about the left not having clear leaders. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Strasser, Blair, and Kaczynski just off the top of my head.
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Plutonis posted:I've read a rhizzone article about the bayer-monsanto merge and how the chemical industry is assraping the Earth and now I'm super depressed the DuPont-Dow merger was hell as well
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