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Djimi posted:I suppose I'm just crazy. A stupid minority opinion.... At least you've found a support group who shares your minority opinion that we should not change or discontinue products you like.
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Djimi posted:I mainly meant the MacBook, not MBP. The MBA came in and replaced it, it was just too bad the fruitstand couldn't keep both MB, MBA and MBP around, I'm sure they would have all continued to sell well. Somewhat relevant to the discussion: do you have/have you ever used a Retina MBP at all or are you basing the stuff you've been talking about only off things you've read ~*on the internet*~? I have a 15" rMBP and I'm really not seeing the downside to the newer style design. I get more useful ports on it, a great screen and silly battery life while having it weigh less and generate a shitload less heat than the old MBPs. I don't use optical media ever so a DVD drive is wasted on me and since I ordered the 16GB of RAM/512GB SSD model when I bought it (which is what we also did for the first gen rMBP we have at work which is still ticking along just fine) I seriously doubt I'm need to look at upgrading that further down the line.
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Apr 9, 2014 12:50
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Mercurius posted:I might be missing something here but what is the difference you think exists between the MacBook and MacBook Pro? I've got a unibody MacBook 13" from 2008 kicking around here somewhere and it's identical in design and ports to the later 13"/15" unibody MacBook Pro. No Firewire Worse screen Came with the 2.0/2.4GHz chips instead of the 2.4/2.53GHz 2.0GHz model came without the backlit keyboard
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My brand-new (refurb) Time Capsule spins its fans up to full speed almost immediately after I plug it in, and they stay that way indefinitely as far as I can tell (only left it on for about 2 hours.) The Airport Utility also shows a message that says the device may be overheating. I've tried power cycling it and factory resetting it to no effect. It doesn't actually feel hot, but the fans are very noisy and it's blowing a lot of air. I have a Genius Bar appointment tomorrow, but I just wanted to make sure that there was nothing obvious I was missing. Can you update the firmware on these things?
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Apr 9, 2014 15:17
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Yes you can update the firmware, Airport Utility would tell you if there was a new version available. Check that "check for updates" is enabled in the Prefs. Sounds like there is a problem with the temperature sensor since you say the fans spin up immediately. I had no idea the Time Capsule even had a fan, mine is silent, so there's definitely something up with yours...
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Apr 9, 2014 15:24
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flavor posted:So we can all learn that this person hates Apple enough to plan on never buying their hardware again, but not enough to not use their software without a license. I like OSX and haven't built my own tower in a while so yes. Also, I own a 21.5" iMac. I'm soooo sorry for being moms and buying what I could afford. empty baggie posted:Which location, if you don't mind me asking? Louisville, Kentucky cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Apr 9, 2014 15:41
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Was it the new tall Time Capsule or the old flat pizza box TC? Both have fans although the older one pretty much was useless, all it did was blow against the hard drive and move the air in the tiny area inside the case.
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Apr 9, 2014 15:51
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cheese eats mouse posted:Louisville, Kentucky I have a pro glazer's suction cup if you want to use it, PM me. I live like 3 blocks from that Macauthority.
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Binary Badger posted:Was it the new tall Time Capsule or the old flat pizza box TC? Both have fans although the older one pretty much was useless, all it did was blow against the hard drive and move the air in the tiny area inside the case. It's the new tall one, 2TB model. Feels like a pretty considerable airflow on this one! I think I've found out why it was returned in the first place...
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Apr 9, 2014 16:03
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kernel panic posted:It's the new tall one, 2TB model. Feels like a pretty considerable airflow on this one! I think I've found out why it was returned in the first place... Meh if it's a refurb they'll take care of you, don't worry about it, poo poo happens.
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revmoo posted:I have a pro glazer's suction cup if you want to use it, PM me. I live like 3 blocks from that Macauthority. Sweet I'll definitely borrow. Don't have PM's email?
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cheese eats mouse posted:
That's cool. My first hands-on tech training was at that location.
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Apr 9, 2014 19:57
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If either of you in Louisville want to make $100 I'll hire you to do it. I really don't trust myself. New drive will be here tomorrow. Email is sarahcjcollege at hotmail
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Evis posted:Is there a technology that anyone sees in the near future that would have the same impact as an HDD->SSD upgrade? I'm not aware of anything which is why the lack of upgrades doesn't bother me so much, but if there was something like that coming I'd be interested to hear about it. I suppose five years out is a long time but I think we knew SSDs were going to be big five years ago? The main obvious things I can think of is integrated GPU performance (and retina displays for the rest of the lineup) and general system efficiency/battery improvements, but that stuff wasn't going to be upgradable either way.
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I had the screen on my rMBP replaced. Now that I have it back, I notice the MagSafe plug is much, much stronger. It easily needs about 5 times as much strength to disconnect, as it was very weak before and would easily fall off. Now I actually have to bend the plug down in order to disconnect it, rather than pull because its so strong I have to grip the laptop itself and pull hard. like it more now. So, is the magnet on the laptop itself, or on the plug? Cause I didn't send my cable back to Apple, just the laptop. Is it something they could have done, or is my plug magically stronger?
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I know the magnet is in the port, not the cable. Maybe the magnet wasn't aligned properly, and however they opened the laptop up to do the screen replacement caused it to shift into better position? Or the part they replaced included the magnet, although this seems less likely.
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Animal posted:I had the screen on my rMBP replaced. Now that I have it back, I notice the MagSafe plug is much, much stronger. It easily needs about 5 times as much strength to disconnect, as it was very weak before and would easily fall off. Now I actually have to bend the plug down in order to disconnect it, rather than pull because its so strong I have to grip the laptop itself and pull hard. like it more now. If it was sent to the repair facility, they just replace literally everything and anything that could possibly not be 100% perfect. They probably replaced the MagSafe board (basically just that port and the circuitry/cabling to connect it to the logic board). They wouldn't have realigned the magnet and realigning the display wouldn't have moved the magnet that much and made that much of a difference.
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Thats awesome. Thanks for the info. Its reassuring that they went over everything and maybe found and replaced weak links that would have failed down the line.
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Animal posted:Thats awesome. Thanks for the info. Its reassuring that they went over everything and maybe found and replaced weak links that would have failed down the line. So it was sent out? It should have come with a piece of paper that says APPLECARE on it. That piece of paper should have every single part they replaced on it.
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Yes it got sent out, it came back two days later. I threw that piece of paper away on the way to the parking lot  Actually the store rep told me just the screen got replaced and I think thats just what the paper said, but I only glanced.
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I have a refurbished rMBP arriving tomorrow. Is there anything I should check it for when I get it?
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Tomahawk posted:I have a refurbished rMBP arriving tomorrow. Is there anything I should check it for when I get it? How awesome it is. Really though, Apple refurbished products are essentially no different from a new device and, if anything, better: the issue was found, resolved, and they inspected it for any other issues and fixed those too if they were present (whereas, if you bought new and had issues, it could be a multiple trip endeavor to the fruit stand, or just going through the process of getting a replacement).
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Tomahawk posted:I have a refurbished rMBP arriving tomorrow. Is there anything I should check it for when I get it?
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Whirlwind Jones posted:Apple refurbs are literally better than new devices. Enjoy your new toy. Not in my experience.
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Mu Zeta posted:Not in my experience. Anecdotes are fun!
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So any chance the long delay in updating the Mac Mini is due to a external redesign? Given the route they took with the Mac Pro and the AEBS/TC, I'm hoping that we might see some type of vertical little rectangular/circular-shaped Mac Mini. I doubt it'll happen, but one can hope.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:They have been in mine. I returned three refurbs. Hey that's what these threads are for though. e: I'll still buy refurbished in the future if it's a really good deal, but in general I can get things from BHPhoto with no tax and the cost is around the same. Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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flavor posted:My problem is somebody making that their crusade 2.0 after the first one about Snow Leopard against Mavericks fizzled... My railing is against Apple and really nobody else, unless you're their spokesperson and brain trust. I am airing my experience and opinions amongst a group of people who can understand them, or at least I hope so to a certain extent. If you feel persecuted or insulted, I feel for you, but it's not like you are Apple or have any obligation to speak up for their decisions or shortcomings. I'd wager that I've been using their products longer than you've been breathing, or at least using computing devices. I'm a professional in the industry with 20 years of paid experience, and a dozen more as a hobbyist. I'm not making poo poo up to make you or anyone feel bad, I'm calling it how I see it. I have a good memory and I've used all their computer products. Yes, all of them. Apple IIs, SE/30, IIfx, Newton, every Quadra, every Performa, PowerBooks, every tower, the Bang & Olufsen 20th anniversary Mac, the PowerPC NON APPLEs (!), imagewriters, laserwriters, MacMinis, the Cube, eMacs, the iMacs, the iLamps, the Xserves, the iPods, the iPhones, the iPads, the Apple TVs. That reminds me... you should have heard me curse at work for a few weeks when the round mouse shipped with the Bondi Blue iMac, which of course puzzled people in my IT group, because I was the Lead IT Mac guy. I'm supposed to love everything they do, right? Stupidest thing ever made in Cupertino (or was it China?) And Apple isn't doing as well for me as a customer as it once was (2000 to 2011 it was very very good). That's all. Yes they are making new technologies available, yes they are pushing the envelope in designs — as they always have. But sometimes that comes at a price for many users who've had enough history with the company and their products to feel somewhat betrayed by a few of their choices. If I can't speak freely about what I see happening with Mac hardware in the Mac hardware megathread on SA, then I guess somebody drank all the kool-aid without me. All I want is great Apple products, like anybody that likes their stuff. I don't want devolution. And I certainly don't want change for the sake of change. People do invest in peripherals and external gear. When 'industry standard' ports disappear or are re-invented as new form factors, sometimes it gives one pause, and hurts the check book (not mine... others). Is that too much to ask, of a company I've been a loyal customer to since I was a kid? It's not a black and white world. I like about 80% of what they do. It doesn't mean I should overlook the 20% that I don't. And it doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to discuss it because it may rankle some sensibilities.
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SourKraut posted:So any chance the long delay in updating the Mac Mini is due to a external redesign? Given the route they took with the Mac Pro and the AEBS/TC, I'm hoping that we might see some type of vertical little rectangular/circular-shaped Mac Mini. I doubt it'll happen, but one can hope. My crazy hope is something with a desktop Iris Pro part. They're cheaper than the mobile chips...course they're also 65W instead of 30-45W. But perhaps a fatter heatsink and magic thermals in the vertical enclosure would provide enough cooling for that. (Well I have crazier hopes but they verge further into less likely xMac territory)
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Djimi posted:WALL OF TEXT Cool that you're having experience in the field that you're assuming others not to have. Again, I don't have a problem with your opinions per se so much as with the way your feelings of superiority of your opinion express themselves in your assumptions and your valuations of others. It's also okay to defend something without being a spokesperson. Also, 1986-1996 Apple wasn't the real Apple, so that experience doesn't really count.  Mu Zeta posted:I returned three refurbs. Hey that's what these threads are for though. My refurb late 2009 iMac had several display problems due to gnats or dirt and heat. I had them fix the display four times over three years. In one case it was a known heat problem and in three cases it just looked like it was that they couldn't be bothered to clean or blow out dirt before putting the cover back on. Well whatever, it was covered by AppleCare and now it's flawless  . Also serves as a very good PC display.
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Djimi posted:I'd wager that I've been using their products longer than you've been breathing, or at least using computing devices. I'm a professional in the industry with 20 years of paid experience, and a dozen more as a hobbyist. I'm not making poo poo up to make you or anyone feel bad, I'm calling it how I see it. I have a good memory and I've used all their computer products. Yes, all of them. Apple IIs, SE/30, IIfx, Newton, every Quadra, every Performa, PowerBooks, every tower, the Bang & Olufsen 20th anniversary Mac, the PowerPC NON APPLEs (!), imagewriters, laserwriters, MacMinis, the Cube, eMacs, the iMacs, the iLamps, the Xserves, the iPods, the iPhones, the iPads, the Apple TVs.
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Got my 13" Retina last night. This thing is amazing, everyone should go and buy one.
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Small White Dragon posted:Anybody using a Mac with a Fusion drive? Can I turn it off relatively easily these days? Why in the world would you turn off a fusion drive?
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Small White Dragon posted:Anybody using a Mac with a Fusion drive? Can I turn it off relatively easily these days? I have a fusion-enabled Mac Mini. I'm not sure how or why one would turn it off. It works great, though it's clearly a stopgap technology until the economics of SSDs make sense at higher capacity. I'm pretty sure this will be my last ever spinning-disk machine.
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Small White Dragon posted:Anybody using a Mac with a Fusion drive? Can I turn it off relatively easily these days? I'm fairly confident you can't turn it off without remaking the partitions, as it's a pool of multiple drives appearing as a single partition, so only one of the drives isn't a fully qualified volume on its own.
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Small White Dragon posted:Anybody using a Mac with a Fusion drive? Can I turn it off relatively easily these days? This is akin to turning off the fuel pumps in a jumbo jet in mid flight. poo poo will get wrecked in short order. And unless you have a bootable system waiting on another drive to either hook up to Thunderbolt/FW/USB you'll have a $2000 brick.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:They have been in mine. Anecdotes are indeed fun. But the positive reasoning for buying refurb often misses something important, and my negative anecdote helps illustrate it, so what the hell. The argument for refurb is not just the price, it's that defective hardware has been fixed and therefore refurb quality ought to be better than new. However, this doesn't account for an uncommon yet important return category: subtly broken hardware which Apple's refurbishment process classifies as "good, scrub down the case so it looks new", because there is no such thing as a testing process which catches 100% of the problems. I experienced this years ago with a PowerMac G5 refurb which would hard-lock while playing specific 3D games -- but only if the phase of the moon was right. Apple fixed it, but it took months of persistence on my part. And a saint of an Apple Genius willing to go way above and beyond the call of duty reproducing the freeze, after I persuaded him I wasn't wasting his time with hypochondria. Assume for the sake of argument that 90% of new Macs are good, 9% obviously bad, 1% subtly bad. That means 1 out of 10 returns will not get repaired before being resold as refurbs. You'd still have a 10% chance of getting a lemon when buying refurb, only now all of the lemons are the annoying bastards. Obviously I just pulled those numbers out of my rear end to illustrate a principle. I actually agree with the pro-refurb position in that people often return computers for reasons other than defects, which ought to skew the stats in favor of refurbs a bit. Anecdote #2: thanks to my poor judgement in thinking 128GB was going to be enough SSD, someone out there got a sweet deal on a 2011 13" MBA refurb. Just gives me a bit of a twinge when people claim that refurb must be better than new. The risks of a dud probably do drop, but the same winnowing process also amplifies the chance that if you get a dud it won't be as easy to deal with. So I guess the TLDR of my effortpost is that the Truth Is In The Middle, Maaan
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