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poptart_fairy posted:The black and gold stuff got a ton of complaints unfortunately. The director's cut of HR removed it and the gameworld lost a lot of its flavour. Why tf would they do this, it was both artistically good because it had meaning in the setting, and aesthetically good because gold and black go great together
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RyokoTK posted:What the gently caress, from whom? Human Revolution's aesthetic was wonderful. The levels actually have a bunch of cans of gold paint scattered around them to make fun of the complainers, which is a pretty n  .
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Aug 25, 2016 20:12
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Mankind Divided unfortunately ditched the stylized color scheme for the video game standard of "it's just real life but with more bloom" colors and it's sad to see. The graphics look great! But they're kinda boring color-wise.
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Aug 25, 2016 20:56
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BattleMaster posted:That wasn't addressed in the conversation about why augmented people can/can't cover up, but sorry I didn't read all of the lore and expanded universe materials for your game The answer I was angling for is that some people never asked for this. poo poo, the player character had no choice in the matter! Even ignoring the fact that some people would have been in situations where they could say no, it's clearly stacked against that and vastly in favor of 'getcherself some robo-limbs!' They're cool, more capable, and have no downside*! *Except for lifetime dependence on a drug tou can't trust to remain affordable, and that a firmware upgrade can basically destroy you and your life.
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Aug 25, 2016 22:42
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The tablet game Deus Ex: The Fall was about an augmented soldier who went rogue when he found out that, surprise surprise, a group of private special ops kill bots calling themselves The Tyrants were actually bad guys all along. For all its flaws like 90% of the game was about the difficulty of not dying when you go off the grid and having to use all his underworld connections and considerable special skills just to get anti-rejection drugs, and also how the black market was leading to all sorts of shady off-brand drugs to be developed and how even that was just one more way the Illuminati was experimenting on and controlling people. Also he only had one robot arm instead Jensen's full-body top of the line prosthetics, even though it had no real impact on gameplay.
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Aug 25, 2016 23:18
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Guy Mann posted:The levels actually have a bunch of cans of gold paint scattered around them to make fun of the complainers, which is a pretty n Those gold cans were there from the very beginning, in the original beta of HR. It was a jab at themselves.
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Aug 25, 2016 23:40
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poptart_fairy posted:The black and gold stuff got a ton of complaints unfortunately. The director's cut of HR removed it and the gameworld lost a lot of its flavour. I played the director's cut and it was yellow as gently caress, I always wondered just how much yellower it must have been originally.
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Aug 26, 2016 02:08
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2house2fly posted:I played the director's cut and it was yellow as gently caress, I always wondered just how much yellower it must have been originally. Quite a bit. Most of the game takes place at night so it's hard to tell, but in the TYM tower and Panchaea where it's daytime it's much easier to see. Here's a quick comparison:  It's especially noticeable if you look at the sky. edit: Another much more easily noticeable comparison (top is original, bottom is DC):  
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Aug 26, 2016 02:15
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So for the Directors Cut they gave us the developers true vision of the game, without any outside tampering.
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Aug 26, 2016 03:00
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The game looks much better without the piss filter. Much like removing the color filters in Fallout 3 and NV. Please stop putting them on, game developers who totally read every one of my internet posts.
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Aug 26, 2016 05:48
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The only thing absolutely anyone talks about in mankind divided is augmentation. Every random hobo on the street is happy to give you their own personal philosophy of the ethics of augmentation and how augmented people should be treated. Every poster on the wall and all the graffiti is about augmentation. Every single piece of legislation and political point you hear about is just pro aug/anti aug. All the news is about augmentation. All the ebooks you find are about augmentation. Holy poo poo. Nothing is believable when there is one theme in the entire game and absolutely everything in the world is devoted to shoving it in your face.
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Aug 26, 2016 06:39
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How is that different from actual society? Gay marriage and trump are two topics that you couldn't and can't get away from at the moment.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:02
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Digirat posted:The only thing absolutely anyone talks about in mankind divided is augmentation. Every random hobo on the street is happy to give you their own personal philosophy of the ethics of augmentation and how augmented people should be treated. Every poster on the wall and all the graffiti is about augmentation. Every single piece of legislation and political point you hear about is just pro aug/anti aug. All the news is about augmentation. All the ebooks you find are about augmentation. I kind of hate when games do that. I mean in like, dragon quest it's kind of understandable why most people would be talking about monsters sure. But at least there were a dozen NPCs who just talked about stupid bullshit. Hell, even in pokemon there are some people who don't talk exclusively about pokemon. Where's the hipster who hates augmentation because it's so popular he's tired of hearing people talk about it?
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Aug 26, 2016 07:03
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FalloutGod posted:How is that different from actual society? Gay marriage and trump are two topics that you couldn't and can't get away from at the moment.
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Aug 26, 2016 07:05
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Digirat posted:The only thing absolutely anyone talks about in mankind divided is augmentation. Every random hobo on the street is happy to give you their own personal philosophy of the ethics of augmentation and how augmented people should be treated. Every poster on the wall and all the graffiti is about augmentation. Every single piece of legislation and political point you hear about is just pro aug/anti aug. All the news is about augmentation. All the ebooks you find are about augmentation. At least it's not children's card games?
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Aug 26, 2016 07:07
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Digirat posted:The only thing absolutely anyone talks about in mankind divided is augmentation. Every random hobo on the street is happy to give you their own personal philosophy of the ethics of augmentation and how augmented people should be treated. Every poster on the wall and all the graffiti is about augmentation. Every single piece of legislation and political point you hear about is just pro aug/anti aug. All the news is about augmentation. All the ebooks you find are about augmentation. Eh, that's believable to a certain extent. The game takes place shortly after an event where a lot of civilians were killed or injured because of augmented people, that would be a pretty world-shaping event. The thing dragging Mankind Divided down for me is all the sunlight. It's a Deus Ex game, you're supposed to be running around at night wearing sunglasses (because your vision is augmented).
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Aug 26, 2016 09:02
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Nuebot posted:Where's the hipster who hates augmentation because it's so popular he's tired of hearing people talk about it?
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Aug 26, 2016 09:17
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WickedHate posted:At least it's not children's card games? Are you complaining that a society structured around ancient egyptian card games is implausible? 
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Aug 26, 2016 09:23
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Vanguard Warden posted:Eh, that's believable to a certain extent. The game takes place shortly after an event where a lot of civilians were killed or injured because of augmented people, that would be a pretty world-shaping event. Still haven't played Mankind Divided, but doesn't it also largely take place in aug slums and such? I feel like people suffering through a problem like that, in a neighborhood they're confined to, would probably be talking a lot about it.
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Aug 26, 2016 09:54
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Yes but he didn't say "a lot". Exclusively means exclusively. And that's dumb. edit: The only people on the streets of Prague that don't pester you about augmentation when you chat them up are store owners, and even then the first thing one of them asks you is if he can sell you some illegal under the counter biocells for your augmentations.
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Aug 26, 2016 11:13
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Nuebot posted:Hell, even in pokemon there are some people who don't talk exclusively about pokemon.
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Aug 26, 2016 12:52
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FalloutGod posted:How is that different from actual society? Gay marriage and trump are two topics that you couldn't and can't get away from at the moment. There's a hell of a lot more than those two and they are way less omnipresent. It's very little like the real world. You even see way more people with robot arms and legs which doesn't make sense since the game takes place after the incident that made them really unpopular, and the two hubs of human revolution were detroit and hengsha, both the home cities of the two giant aug manufacturers, where you would presumably see the most people with augs. Way more than prague anyway.
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Aug 26, 2016 15:36
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Digirat posted:There's a hell of a lot more than those two and they are way less omnipresent. It's very little like the real world. They are unpopular now but the people with Augs aren't just going to rip them out as that'd leave them in a worse position than they currently are, and the reason Prague has so many Augmented people is because its basically a big dumping ground for Augs that society doesn't want.
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Aug 26, 2016 17:10
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Yeah, uh, how are people missing that, it's explained multiple times and obvious as all hell. People aren't getting augged up nowadays, they're getting relocated and dumped into ghettos like Prague. This is a major plot point.
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Aug 26, 2016 17:43
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I don't get how the hacking works and I'm sure there's a logical explanation, but it sort of runs into the "knowing who's a mutant is a nice thing when one could randomly wipe a town off the map with a stray laser blast" problem. It doesn't really work as a metaphor if they are, actually, incredibly dangerous, and the Illuminati keeping people from just getting a wooden leg or whatever is kind of super stupid. I like the transhumanism angle better.
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Aug 26, 2016 18:05
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The worst part is that the mass killing incident basically justifies prejudice against augs. It wasn't a relatively small number of extremist augs that did it. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to deal with augs and putting them all in ghettos. I think it would've been better if they made the augs=criminals comparison and the idea was more that yes augs are dangerous and we need to deal with them to keep society safe but that's no excuse to treat them inhumanely. The main thing with racism is that it's not really grounded in any objective reality, so the anti-aug stuff doesn't fit the comparison well.
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Aug 26, 2016 19:49
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Digirat posted:the two hubs of human revolution were detroit and hengsha, both the home cities of the two giant aug manufacturers, where you would presumably see the most people with augs. Way more than prague anyway. Why?
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Aug 26, 2016 19:55
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Higsian posted:The worst part is that the mass killing incident basically justifies prejudice against augs. It wasn't a relatively small number of extremist augs that did it. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to deal with augs and putting them all in ghettos. I think it would've been better if they made the augs=criminals comparison and the idea was more that yes augs are dangerous and we need to deal with them to keep society safe but that's no excuse to treat them inhumanely. The main thing with racism is that it's not really grounded in any objective reality, so the anti-aug stuff doesn't fit the comparison well.
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Aug 26, 2016 20:41
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I am bothered that neither Mankind Divided nor Human Revolution go out of their way to clarify that not all augmentations give you insane dystopia-future superpowers. People in these games never get augmented with just a normal arm with normal human arm capabilities and strength because that'd invalidate their whole message about humanity moving forward artificially.
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Did augmented enemies have any sort of in-game advantage over non-augmented ones in DX:HR? With a few exceptions, I don't think they did. The only ones I know for sure were those stealth guys with bird legs. The big, beefy guys with heavy weapons might have been more durable, but I think that's it. Having a helmet made a guy able to survive a headshot, regardless of weather he was augmented or not.
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No, they didn't. MD has a lot more variety in that which is great - enemies use their jumpy legs more often, and more than once I got a bit of a nasty shock when it turned out the enemies I was trying to gas all had internal rebreathers jacked into their lungs. Everyone's still vulnerable to the Ol' Jensen Lovetap though.
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Aug 26, 2016 22:23
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So basically the same thing that made zootopia so awkward? I think I'm going to pass then.
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Eh, the game isn't worth passing up on just because the main allegory is really cringey I think. At worst it's hopelessly naive rather than, say, Bioshock saying (intentionally or not) both racists and their victims are as bad as one another. The side missions flesh the world out a lot and though they touch on the augmented stuff, it's not as focused on the Aug/Naturals divide as main story content.
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Aug 26, 2016 23:11
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rodbeard posted:So basically the same thing that made zootopia so awkward? I think I'm going to pass then. I don't remember many stealth takedowns in Zootopia.
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Aug 26, 2016 23:28
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I never asked fur this
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Aug 26, 2016 23:30
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Aphrodite posted:Why? Because its a manufacturing and distribution center (the first mission in HR is sarif's detroit manufacturing plant) which makes augmentations cheaper for the company to sell there, they have automatic advertising and publicity due to detroit being the home of the famous sarif industries, and they have the infrastructure (LIMB clinics) needed to support augmented people there. Same with hengsha/tai yong medical. Judge Tesla posted:They are unpopular now but the people with Augs aren't just going to rip them out as that'd leave them in a worse position than they currently are, and the reason Prague has so many Augmented people is because its basically a big dumping ground for Augs that society doesn't want. I might be complaining without having played enough of the game to understand this but my impression is that golem city is the actual dumping ground for augmented people, while the non-augmented citizens and prague police are doing basically everything they can to push augmented people out. Either way, no matter the number of augmented people in the city, there should be at least one other loving thing these people think about. Instead they rise from their beds each day and then their eyes glaze over as the word AUGS once again consumes their brains. AUGS...AUGS...AUGS. YOU HAVE AUGS JENSEN MAN. DEBATE THE AUGS. AUGS INCIDENT HAPPENED. AUGS ETHICAL? AUGS.
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One of the loading screens and also alex says Prague basically made itself into a hotspot for augs to come live in order to invigorate it's economy. So many came there to live. Then the incident happens and whoops we got egg on our face what are we gonna do about all these augs?
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Aug 27, 2016 03:49
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Golem City is also still part of Prague, just on the outskirts.
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poptart_fairy posted:say, Bioshock saying (intentionally or not) both racists and their victims are as bad as one another. I always thought that was more of a "democratic revolutions also sometimes go completely batshit". France had its Reign of Terror and all that.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I always thought that was more of a "democratic revolutions also sometimes go completely batshit". France had its Reign of Terror and all that. Which I guess is a fair enough moral in a vacuum but there's a time and a place and neither of those are "right after a pretty black and white take on racist assholes being racist assholes". It's like using John Brown as a counterpoint to the KKK.
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