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white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

drat, even though they "lost" the election, they got themselves and their buddies rich as gently caress. Pretty sweet deal. Hey, where can I submit my resume for more pantsuit anthems?

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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Tatum Girlparts posted:

what the gently caress even is the point of this thread

dehumanize yourself and face to socialism, centrist

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

what the gently caress even is the point of this thread

What would you like it to be about, Tatum Girlpants.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
But you already have a Marxists thread

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

logikv9 posted:

Be a better poster, tight booty shorts

It's hard not to be snarky when people like Tatum come in the thread and claim "Ellison IS the establishment" :smug:

And people defending the campaign that lost us the most important election of the past 100 years.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Digiwizzard posted:

Economic Liberalism has been about free trade since the very beginning. The leftist economics you're thinking of is Socialism, and the Democrats have refused to touch it since Reagan.

Uh, I'll just quote myself from elsewhere:

quote:

This is what I learned from a podcasted economic geography course I listened to:

The Three Ds of Neoliberal Economic Doctrine are:
  • Defeat Government (e.g. deregulate where advantageous to business, socialize corporate losses)
  • Dismantle labor (e.g. smash the unions, loot the pensions)
  • Depend on markets (e.g. privatize where advantageous to business, protect private sector from public sector competition)

All that poo poo's part of the same one thing: (economic) Neoliberalism.

It's basically [Classical Liberalism] + [Fundamentalist Belief In Markets] + [Is A Huge Scam]. Neoliberals are the people who say poo poo like, "The Free Market doesn't need government," and, "Negative externalities fix themselves in fully deregulated environments," or who think the solution to everything is the one-two combination of privatization and deregulation. All that poo poo's part of the same one thing: Neoliberalism.

It's also often confused with neoconservativism, which is hawkish foreign policy that prominently features the concept of smashing up countries you don't like to try to force their integration into the western-led phenomena of globalization.

Also, neoliberal policy is distinct from neoliberal theory. The theory's some antiquated business from the early 1900s. The policy's a class project of the rich that started in the 1970s with the Powell Memo:

quote:

On August 23, 1971, prior to accepting Nixon's nomination to the Supreme Court, Powell was commissioned by his neighbor, Eugene B. Sydnor Jr., a close friend and education director of the US Chamber of Commerce, to write a confidential memorandum titled "Attack on the American Free Enterprise System," an anti-Communist, anti-New Deal blueprint for conservative business interests to retake America for the chamber.[13][14] It was based in part on Powell's reaction to the work of activist Ralph Nader, whose 1965 exposé on General Motors, "Unsafe at Any Speed," put a focus on the auto industry putting profit ahead of safety, which triggered the American consumer movement. Powell saw it as an undermining of Americans' faith in enterprise and another step in the slippery slope of socialism.[13] His experiences as a corporate lawyer and a director on the board of Phillip Morris from 1964 until his appointment to the Supreme Court made him a champion of the tobacco industry who railed against the growing scientific evidence linking smoking to cancer deaths.[13] He argued, unsuccessfully, that tobacco companies' First Amendment rights were being infringed when news organizations were not giving credence to the cancer denials of the industry. That was the point where Powell began to focus on the media as biased agents of socialism.[13]

The memo called for corporate America to become more aggressive in molding society's thinking about business, government, politics and law in the US. It sparked wealthy heirs of earlier American Industrialists [...] to fund Powell's vision of a pro-business, anti-socialist, minimalist government-regulated America as it had been in the heyday of early American industrialism, before the Great Depression and the rise of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal.

The Powell Memorandum thus became the blueprint of the rise of the American conservative movement and the formation of a network of influential right-wing think tanks and lobbying organizations, such as The Heritage Foundation and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) as well as inspiring the US Chamber of Commerce to become far more politically active.[15][16] Marxist academic David Harvey traces the rise of neoliberalism in the US to this memo.[17][18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell_Jr.#Powell_Memorandum

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
I mean TBS' druglord profit fueled posting aside I don't really know what some of the Very Serious Democratic Reformers expect in this thread. Most of it is devoted to reminding everyone what Good Good Opinion Boys we all are and more energy is spent yelling about how everything is horrible. Like, even when we talk about guys like Ellison it becomes 'uh you'll find the establishment only supports him as part of a conspiracy theory that he's going to surely buck' and poo poo. I genuinely have no loving clue what this thread is for other than a place for a few people to gloat about how they were right all along and the party must be set ablaze in penance rather than actual reforms.

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


logikv9 posted:

Be a better poster, tight booty shorts

you know my theory of "every poster with a 3 word name sucks rear end" is proven correct in d&d awfully frequently

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
DnD raus

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


Wall Is Life, Tight Booty Shorts, Black Baby Goku, the list goes on and on

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


the lack of spaces in FAU's name is his saving grace for this principle

well plus not being an awful poster

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

logikv9 posted:

But you already have a Marxists thread

I don't see how Marxism applies to to the current state of the Democratic Party?

Celery Jello
Mar 21, 2005
Slippery Tilde

Tatsuta Age posted:

the lack of spaces in FAU's name is his saving grace for this principle

well plus not being an awful poster

Exception that proves the rule?

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Celery Jello posted:

Washington Post Columnist S. E. Cupp

Cupp or even Bill Mitchell would be better than insufferable neocon shill Jennifer Rubin.

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Tatsuta Age posted:

you know my theory of "every poster with a 3 word name sucks rear end" is proven correct in d&d awfully frequently

Something something anime avatars

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

the immortal science of marxism leninism

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
everyone except a few people, are in fact, uh bad

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

MaxxBot posted:

Cupp or even Bill Mitchell would be better than insufferable neocon shill Jennifer Rubin.

Wapo wants to be even worse than it already is lol

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Something something anime avatars



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8PyTo6NyXA

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Tatum Girlparts posted:

I mean TBS' druglord profit fueled posting aside I don't really know what some of the Very Serious Democratic Reformers expect in this thread. Most of it is devoted to reminding everyone what Good Good Opinion Boys we all are and more energy is spent yelling about how everything is horrible. Like, even when we talk about guys like Ellison it becomes 'uh you'll find the establishment only supports him as part of a conspiracy theory that he's going to surely buck' and poo poo. I genuinely have no loving clue what this thread is for other than a place for a few people to gloat about how they were right all along and the party must be set ablaze in penance rather than actual reforms.

Hillary and the DNC cannot fail, they can only be failed, eh Tatum?


This thread in the comedy political subforum of these comedy forums is for finding humor in the abject failure that is the Democratic Establishment, and for those who find it's more angering than funny, there is the DPP thread.

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Tatum Girlparts posted:

I mean TBS' druglord profit fueled posting aside I don't really know what some of the Very Serious Democratic Reformers expect in this thread. Most of it is devoted to reminding everyone what Good Good Opinion Boys we all are and more energy is spent yelling about how everything is horrible. Like, even when we talk about guys like Ellison it becomes 'uh you'll find the establishment only supports him as part of a conspiracy theory that he's going to surely buck' and poo poo. I genuinely have no loving clue what this thread is for other than a place for a few people to gloat about how they were right all along and the party must be set ablaze in penance rather than actual reforms.

Why are you so against letting the people who saw this coming from a mile away try to organize themselves to prevent something like this from happening again?

Also the cornbread and communism memes were pretty awesome.

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I have made peace with the idea that I am a bad poster and that's part of why I don't post all *that* often.

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


what is important is that the people I like are in power and the people I don't like are up against the wall asap

the party will be like four people but boy howdy what a progressive four they will be

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

UHD posted:

what is important is that the people I like are in power and the people I don't like are up against the wall asap

the party will be like four people but boy howdy what a progressive four they will be

Good.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

*stares into mirror* i'm a good poster. and everyone loves me. i'm good.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

Tatum Girlparts posted:

what the gently caress even is the point of this thread

Shouting "NEOLIBERALS NEOLIBERALS NEOLIBERALS" like the duck in Baloogan's avatar

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

savage

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

UHD posted:

what is important is that the people I like are in power and the people I don't like are up against the wall asap

the party will be like four people but boy howdy what a progressive four they will be

*Each of the remaining four immediately declare the other three to be recidivist counterrevolutionary traitors.*

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/807327865025036288

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(But seriously, totes grampostum has never phrased an argument that wasn't in bad faith. Between them, concerned citizen, and fulcrum, none of them have anything to add re: Democrat policy that wasn't thoroughly and utterly invalidated by the Clinton Campaign's Chernobyl-esque meltdown on November 8)

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

UHD posted:

what is important is that the people I like are in power and the people I don't like are up against the wall asap

the party will be like four people but boy howdy what a progressive four they will be

some kind of.. gang.. of four

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

UHD posted:

what is important is that the people I like are in power and the people I don't like are up against the wall asap

the party will be like four people but boy howdy what a progressive four they will be

If the Hillary campaign had won the election and actually tried some progressive ideas then we would like them and there would be no need to get rid of the corporatist boot licking centrists.

It's not that hard to figure out. We don't like them because they lose constantly.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

If the Hillary campaign had won the election and actually tried some progressive ideas then we would like them and there would be no need to get rid of the corporatist boot licking centrists.

It's not that hard to figure out. We don't like them because they lose constantly.

i thought it was because they were a genuinely regressive ideology

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

We don't like them because they lose constantly.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy


look upon this face and realize that every revolutionary in the world from The Sons of Liberty to Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin to Mao/Deng Xiaoping/Zhou Enlai were just a bunch of young people who cared


FIGHT FOR WHATS RIGHT

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015


The whole human race
sentenced
to
burn



"Meltdown of the year" is more apt.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Neo-liberalism is an economic position that emphasizes, in its current incarnation, free trade and deregulation of domestic finance and industry, plus the sort of third-way stuff the Clinton administration pulled back in the 90s. While it's not therefore necessarily wrong to call Hillary herself a neo-liberal, since she was knee-deep in that stuff back then and hasn't changed her relative stances overmuch, most often when it gets brought up in CSPAM it's just someone slagging on disappointing Democrats by trying to call them the centrist equivalent of the neo-cons of the W era.
most congress democrats are beholden to their electorate but it doesn't help that they don't hear much from them due to the complete and utter gutting of the DNC support network by reaganites stabbing unions and civil rights advocates in the back in the 80s and made absolutely no effort to reconnect with them until this year, and only on the insistence of progressives. reaganites (who have realpolitiked themselves into the name of "neoliberal"; keep in mind that they chose this name) are pretty much directly responsible for the democrats being both impotent (since they don't hear a whole lot from their electorate because it's all rich academics and the corporate hangers-on) and actively malicious (the plague of blue dogs who think the republican party is too racist)

and people in this thread poo-pooing any suggestion of economic leftism think this is Fine.

sure fine enough that we lost an election for it :downs:

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

(But seriously, totes grampostum has never phrased an argument that wasn't in bad faith. Between them, concerned citizen, and fulcrum, none of them have anything to add re: Democrat policy that wasn't thoroughly and utterly invalidated by the Clinton Campaign's Chernobyl-esque meltdown on November 8)
reaganomics cannot fail, it can only be failed

Anime Schoolgirl has issued a correction as of 22:07 on Dec 9, 2016

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

This is easy. Do you enjoy Harry Reid boxing meme, Kaine-harmonica man? You are to be studied, not part of the solution.

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Tatum Girlparts posted:

i thought it was because they were a genuinely regressive ideology

Be a better poster Tatum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3QvnU6uMjk&app=desktop

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white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Phi230 posted:



look upon this face and realize that every revolutionary in the world from The Sons of Liberty to Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin to Mao/Deng Xiaoping/Zhou Enlai were just a bunch of young people who cared


FIGHT FOR WHATS RIGHT

But what if we become the establishment :ohdear:

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