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Raldikuk posted:Almost certainly. Most people don't track their spending to the penny and it is very easy to overlook snack purchases since their individual dollar value can be so small. It's like how spending $5.33 on Red Bull every working day will add up to $1,385.80 over the course of a year. If you're making $15/hour that represents 4.4% of your gross income. That poo poo is significant, yet most people will rationalize it away as if it were nothing. I think he said somewhere in the comment that's it's a BMW. $750 a month @2%is about 55k, so it must be a new 3 series. I get wanting a nice car when you have a good income but he could have gotten a CPO 2016 3 series for about 20k less. Probably with less than 25,000 miles on it and a 1.99% interest rate.
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Numbers don’t add up. Even if you add utilities, gas, car insurance, and other expected expenses dude is wasting way more than “maybe 1000/mo”.
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totalnewbie posted:Sure, why the hell not? Everyone needs to have some "emergency food" options that are cheap. As long as it's not your go-to meal all the time, nothing wrong with making a hotdog. Exactly - once you get into the mac and cheese with hot dogs territory it's a whole new game! Then you explode their mind with some ketchup added on top
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Frying the hot dogs was will be his moment of self-realization.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Americans will enthusiastically take heavy, brutal jobs if the pay is right: see the oil boom. Every working class man in the USA decamped to Alaska to live 10 to a trailer and operate heavy machinery in a snow storm. Because they were paid handsomely to do it. Oil fields also require a lot less labor and much of it is more skilled than picking fruit, so it's not the best analogue. Vineyards in California are having a bitch of a time hiring people and are paying between $15 and $20 a hour. There was a recent article on the mug factory in the midwest that supplies Starbucks and it's unable to find manufacturing labor even though they're paying well above the average wage. In that case it's more the opioid epidemic, but it's still a similar situation and shows that there are a variety of reasons why these companies can't find workers. If you plopped these jobs into the suburbs or cities you'd probably have a better time finding employees, but people don't want this type of work in the small towns they're located in. The system we had was pretty sweet, but even without Trump loving things up, it was only going to last as long as Mexico had a huge excess population in need of work. Time to make strawberries a luxury item of figure out how to invent farm worker robots. That'd be the most boring episode of Westworld.
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Dustoph posted:Exactly - once you get into the mac and cheese with hot dogs territory it's a whole new game! Then you explode their mind with some ketchup added on top poo poo, you can put some broccoli in there and have an actual meal.
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Raldikuk posted:I do love that his mortgage has a higher rate than his truck (I assume it is a truck). That's......pretty normal for the last nearly decade or so for people with good credit. Mortgage rates went down into the high 1s at one point, and you could get 0-2 all day long on a car. Mortgage rates are back the 4s and you can get 0-2 on a car all day long.
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The guy is still putting 10% into his 401k so it's not all bad, as long as he hasn't been cashing out for Bitcoin or whatever. This looks like more mundane BMW.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Oil fields also require a lot less labor and much of it is more skilled than picking fruit, so it's not the best analogue. We've been seeing increased automation of farms for hundreds upon hundreds of years. There are combines that run on GPS with no driver now. I'd be shocked if someone hasn't been trying to figure out how to automate growing and harvesting strawberries as well.
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Lockback posted:The guy is still putting 10% into his 401k so it's not all bad, as long as he hasn't been cashing out for Bitcoin or whatever. This looks like more mundane BMW.
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Wolfy posted:While he is saving for his retirement Hmm.
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Subjunctive posted:Hmm.
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Volmarias posted:We've been seeing increased automation of farms for hundreds upon hundreds of years. There are combines that run on GPS with no driver now. I'd be shocked if someone hasn't been trying to figure out how to automate growing and harvesting strawberries as well. I don't doubt that that is true, but think it is a much harder problem to automate harvesting of fruits and veggies than it is to automate harvesting of corn, other grains, and soybeans. Like you can't just mow down your grove of orange trees with a combine harvester.
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Volmarias posted:We've been seeing increased automation of farms for hundreds upon hundreds of years. There are combines that run on GPS with no driver now. I'd be shocked if someone hasn't been trying to figure out how to automate growing and harvesting strawberries as well. I think we're down to 1% of the population working in farming from something like 40% in 1900 - so yeah, automation is definitely a thing. Still doesn't work for certain jobs like strawberries and grapes. I can't recall where I read it (maybe Fast Food Nation) but strawberries are particularly labor intensive. That industry exists solely on the backs of migrants.
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silence_kit posted:I don't doubt that that is true, but think it is a much harder problem to automate harvesting of fruits and veggies than it is to automate harvesting of corn, other grains, and soybeans. Like you can't just mow down your grove of orange trees with a combine harvester. It's still very possible. It's probably not cost competitive yet, but give it time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKT351pQHfI
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Krispy Wafer posted:Still doesn't work for certain jobs like strawberries and grapes. Mechanical grape harvesting has been a thing in the wine and juice industry for decades.
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Motronic posted:Mechanical grape harvesting has been a thing in the wine and juice industry for decades. It's probably great for juice, not so good for wine since you can't tell the difference between ripe and unripe. The wine I drink is 2 Buck Chuck, so that's probably mechanically harvested by running over the vines with a pickup truck and collecting whatever you can spray off with a hose.
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Krispy Wafer posted:It's probably great for juice, not so good for wine since you can't tell the difference between ripe and unripe. They have optical sorting for that purpose. https://www.goodfruit.com/new-grape-harvester-leaves-mog-in-the-field/
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Subjunctive posted:They have optical sorting for that purpose. Lol I like the wine industry insider acronym MOG (Material Other [than] Grapes)
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Opiate epidemic is more of an issue then people realize, Drug testing in many manufacturing isnt testing for weed its looking for signs of meth and opiates. Northeast Ohio cant fill any of the manufacturing jobs paying well above median wage with good benefits because of both a lack of skilled workers (trained CNC and the like) and then people that arent opiate addicted. we have 4 positions open at the company I am at that offer around 20 an hour with paid medical and not soul crushing overtime or shifts, we cant get people at all.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Opiate epidemic is more of an issue then people realize, Drug testing in many manufacturing isnt testing for weed its looking for signs of meth and opiates. Northeast Ohio cant fill any of the manufacturing jobs paying well above median wage with good benefits because of both a lack of skilled workers (trained CNC and the like) and then people that arent opiate addicted. well it's kind of the same everywhere, the United States is approaching full employment, there are generally very few able-bodied, willing, unaddicted, nondisabled people out there looking for jobs who simply can't find them. at some point employers are simply going to just have to raise wages to compete for employees, despite the fact that employers have more monopsony power over workers in the labor market than they have since the 1920s
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My girlfriend, who's in training to become a dermatologist, is thinking about making and marketing a skin cream for horses. In her words, "they'll (horse people) buy anything!" BWM, or the best with money?
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http://www.kordon.com/oasis/products/oasis-naturals-herbals/herbal-skin-healing-cream-for-horses beaten w/ money
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BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:well it's kind of the same everywhere, the United States is approaching full employment, there are generally very few able-bodied, willing, unaddicted, nondisabled people out there looking for jobs who simply can't find them. at some point employers are simply going to just have to raise wages to compete for employees, despite the fact that employers have more monopsony power over workers in the labor market than they have since the 1920s 
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How do you get skin cream on a animal covered in fur??
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:How do you get skin cream on a animal covered in fur?? Proprietary applicators that put the lotion directly on the skin. $$$$$
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CannonFodder posted:Proprietary applicators that put the lotion directly on the skin. $$$$$ Save your money. It's just a bucket. 
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"it puts the lotion on its skin!" will be the perfect ad campaign!
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Krispy Wafer posted:It's probably great for juice, not so good for wine since you can't tell the difference between ripe and unripe. Proper wine and juice grapes are determinate. Each variety in each field are all ripe at the same time. I was harvesting with this equipment 20 years ago when I worked at a winery. As far as eating grapes, they are typically larger and I would suspect more likely to get bruised, but it would not surprise me at all if there wasn't a more appropriate harvester now, or even at that time, for that type of grape. The equipment has specific row spacing and vine support requirements. They are not difficult to achieve, and even small producers follow this so they can pay someone to harvest for them/rent the equipment (which at small scale fits on the 3 point hitch of a common farm tractor). This poo poo is not complicated and is super common. Motronic fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Jul 7, 2018 |
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Motronic posted:Proper wine and juice grapes are determinate. Each variety in each field are all ripe at the same time. I didn't realize it worked that well. Sounds like the technology is fruitful.
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And then there's robotic apple harvesting, though I don't know how widespread it is vs. tech demos: Ripe, fallen apples (2013): https://youtu.be/ZRoq32Y7a90 There are others that shake apples off of the tree or strip them as they drive down an orchard row. Whoa, and I saw this for a robotic strawberry harvested while trying to find that Apple video. Cuts the stem to avoid damaging the fruit (2018): https://youtu.be/M3SGScaShhw
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Related videos to that strawberry video had an Engadget summary of a bunch of the techs that are in development. Pretty cool poo poo. Lot's of people bitching about the lack of labor! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl77FVobxVI
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SpelledBackwards posted:Whoa, and I saw this for a robotic strawberry harvested while trying to find that Apple video. Cuts the stem to avoid damaging the fruit (2018): This is unbelievably cool. I actually sell robotics equipment for the plastics industry and this robot as shown must be near $5 million or more. Which I guess it close to a lifetime of under the table migrant labor for some of these farms.
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Sock The Great posted:This is unbelievably cool. I actually sell robotics equipment for the plastics industry and this robot as shown must be near $5 million or more. Which I guess it close to a lifetime of under the table migrant labor for some of these farms. I imagine this is really designed to be used in a vertical farming environment so you'll massively increase density and production. E: More on strawberry picking. Sounds like farms love the idea, obviously. http://www.theledger.com/news/20180122/local-company-advancing-rapidly-on-robotic-strawberry-harvester Shipping containers. Real cool. Reminds me of stealth pot grows. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-1tBWDHcQs SiGmA_X fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Jul 8, 2018 |
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Krispy Wafer posted:It's probably great for juice, not so good for wine since you can't tell the difference between ripe and unripe. That is a very well put together sentence.
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Raldikuk posted:Almost certainly. Most people don't track their spending to the penny and it is very easy to overlook snack purchases since their individual dollar value can be so small. It's like how spending $5.33 on Red Bull every working day will add up to $1,385.80 over the course of a year. If you're making $15/hour that represents 4.4% of your gross income. That poo poo is significant, yet most people will rationalize it away as if it were nothing. Place I work at used to be next to a little drive through coffee place, a lot of would go over frequently to get something. After we moved buildings, one person thought they got a raise because they were saving an extra 20 bucks a week.
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It's never a labour shortage -- it is a wage/compensation shortage. If you make it worthwhile for people to (a) move out of the city and do (b) seasonal (c) manual labour, they will do so! The trick is in the "making it worthwhile" part. If you can get that sorted out, then your labour problems are gone! Of course, the price of the product will rise, but that means that the price is now more accurately reflecting the cost of producing that product. And before someone kneejerks with "but there aren't enough people in the first place" -- did you notice the explosion in the number of real estate parasites before the financial crisis? They smelt the money and decided to train up in real estate stuff. If there is decent money to be made, people will start doing farm work too. All you need is for the government to crack down on dodgy employers like Sigma X said, and then maybe put some kind of incentive programs in place to get employers out of the "dollars for me at all costs" mindset. But I realise that's getting into "we can't do that because American Exceptionalism(tm)" territory.
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Weatherman posted:get employers out of the "dollars for me at all costs" mindset. But I realise that's getting into "we can't do that because American Exceptionalism(tm)" territory.
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SiGmA_X posted:I wish there was a good way to do this is  not good enough for you?
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