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GrizzlyCow posted:Wow, this whole section of the game is worse written than I remembered. I guess none of the writers or editors could be bothered to smooth over some of the nonsense. The normal writers were on vacation so they called in the Final Fantasy 8 team.
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Really it feels more like they filled in the story from the start. And at some point they started filling it in from the end. And then they had to both meet the middle somehow, which basically says "Macalania, Bikanel, Bevelle?" and smashed it together.
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Nov 12, 2015 08:09
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bewilderment posted:Really it feels more like they filled in the story from the start. And at some point they started filling it in from the end. You know you're right. It's like fleshing it out so it didn't happen immediately would 'ruin the drama' or not work, but compressed whenever you think about it for too long it's all just extremely stupid. Where as even if you didn't like events before/after you're never not sure of what's going on.
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Nov 12, 2015 08:22
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For being really big both in terms of being a place
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Nov 12, 2015 08:25
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Bufuman posted:Also, did the part where the audience started clapping after the kiss seem really stupid to anyone else? Like, forget the fact that one of the four highest-ranked members of our church is an evil zombie and a bunch of dudes just stormed the place with swords and sports balls and poo poo and killed a bunch of dudes and bots, let's all celebrate the obvious sham of a wedding and clap like Seymour just made a 30-foot putt for eagle. 
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Nov 12, 2015 08:46
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It's a good thing they decided to shoot Tidus first. I'm pretty sure Auron would no sell the bullet and those puppies probably have atleast a 10 second reload on them.
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Nov 12, 2015 09:25
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Josuke Higashikata posted:It's a good thing they decided to shoot Tidus first. I'm pretty sure Auron would no sell the bullet and those puppies probably have atleast a 10 second reload on them. Nope they're rapid fire. Tech got pretty far before Sin skull hosed it.
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Nov 12, 2015 09:27
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I think this sequence was a victim of the whole "make the FMVs first and then try and work the game around them" thing
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Nov 12, 2015 09:34
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Cg cutscene power is different than in-game cutscene power, folks.
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Nov 12, 2015 09:42
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So I found this thread and got caught up at a beautiful time. Just the right time to watch this game create such a drastic dissonance between cutscenes and literally everything else that it destroyed my ability to see straight. These people fought a goddamn tank why are small arms scary at all to them 
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Nov 12, 2015 10:02
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I think early on they had this idea that their ~beautiful and true~ love story between Tidus and Yuna should have a bit where she almost marries the villain but then DRAMATICALLY the heroes come in and she doesn't. So they got all this art and CG produced and ONLY then in later development had to actually write how and why it happens. Team Tidus has to stop the wedding and save Yuna! ...Because they got a vision of it happening on an airship, I guess. The villains got Yuna! ...By taking her from the desert when the team was conveniently separated by spacewhale magic or something? Yuna is marrying the villain! ...Because uh...uh...She wants to get close to him to sort of kill him. The villain wants to marry Yuna! ...Because uh...he really likes girls with heterochromia, I guess? Could we not make it a prophecy or something a bit more substanti- No, you're right, let's just ship it.
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Nov 12, 2015 10:48
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Seymour's obsession with Yuna is explained, I think. Some of it is later stuff but for right now, consider they are both hybrids. Al Bhed look more human than Guado but the fact remains Seymour and Yuna both come from very controversial unions with persecuted minorities. Yuna got off lucky and didn't face any real discrimination but maybe Seymour still feels some kinship with her in his own, twisted way. I forget if TDI looked at it but there is some little, optional backstory you can get on Seymour's life in Macalania Temple.
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Nov 12, 2015 10:57
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 So.... Seymour's into intense chest tattoos, huh? Is he a yakuza or something?
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Elfface posted:
I don't remember a scene of him dramatically throwing his shirt off and engaging in fisticuffs on a high rise building.
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Nov 12, 2015 12:18
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Onmi posted:I don't remember a scene of him dramatically throwing his shirt off and engaging in fisticuffs on a high rise building. I still can't figure out if he's fat or not. He seems to have abs...?
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Nov 12, 2015 12:32
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I think it's just the way the robes bunch that make him look like he has a paunch.
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Nov 12, 2015 12:36
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Nov 12, 2015 12:44
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AlphaKretin posted:Between the hat and the constant smiling, Seymour looks really hard to take seriously in this sequence. By the look of it, the only thing keeping his over-gelled ponytails back is that little black cloth holding the tips of them together. I can't help but think that the moment an attendant removes it for him, both ponytails will just flick forward at high speed and take some poor bishop's eye out.
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Nov 12, 2015 12:55
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VagueRant posted:That would make this game ten times better and you all know it. To be fair dramatic shirtless fist fights would make many games much better.
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Nov 12, 2015 13:49
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I really liked this entire sequence when this game first came out. That includes the boss fight before the actual wedding crash. Also: quote:The bridge and groom just stare awkwardly and suck lips and that's it? Sheesh. I'm guessing this is supposed to be "bride and groom."
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Nov 12, 2015 15:20
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Burger Flipper posted:Also: With Yuna gone, Seymour is going to marry SOMEthing, damnit.
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Nov 12, 2015 15:34
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NikkolasKing posted:Seymour's obsession with Yuna is explained, I think. Some of it is later stuff but for right now, consider they are both hybrids. Al Bhed look more human than Guado but the fact remains Seymour and Yuna both come from very controversial unions with persecuted minorities. Yuna got off lucky and didn't face any real discrimination but maybe Seymour still feels some kinship with her in his own, twisted way. Maybe that's what he meant about her eyes back in Macalania. Still, if that's what they were going for, they could've been less subtle about it.
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Nov 12, 2015 17:26
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Oh absolutely. A lot of things about Seymour's character could have been made more clear in this game. There is some rather important clarification in the FFX Ultimania about his background but that be spoilerish. I do actually kind of like him as a villain but he's far, far from perfect.
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Nov 12, 2015 17:34
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I think Seymour is at least unique in the Final Fantasy franchise in that his entire air of menace centers around his creepy sex-offender vibe.
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Nov 12, 2015 17:46
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Schwartzcough posted:I think Seymour is at least unique in the Final Fantasy franchise in that his entire air of menace centers around his creepy sex-offender vibe. Tactics did it first with that Baron who was pretty heavily implied to have actually gone through with that vibe.
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NikkolasKing posted:Seymour's obsession with Yuna is explained, I think. Some of it is later stuff but for right now, consider they are both hybrids. Al Bhed look more human than Guado but the fact remains Seymour and Yuna both come from very controversial unions with persecuted minorities. Yuna got off lucky and didn't face any real discrimination but maybe Seymour still feels some kinship with her in his own, twisted way. Nah, I skipped it since the only time you can see it there is if you decide to wander into some side room in the middle of the whole "Oh poo poo Seymour was evil better go get Yuna!" bit. It kind of kills pacing to have an exposition vomit from some random NPC in the middle of that. Of course then the game kills pacing itself not long after that so... Edit:  "Both Guado and human blood flow through Maester Seymour's veins. This mixed heritage caused him a deal of grief in his childhood. But because of that very experience...he grew to become a great leader who aspired to bring Guado and humans together in friendship. Lord Braska vanquished Sin when Lord Seymour was about your age. During the celebration of the Calm's arrival, Maester Mika ordained Lord Jyscal a maester of Yevon. He praised Lord Jyscal's achievements, including the conversion of the Guado to the teachings of Yevon. Maester Seymour was still a young lad then, but he tried hard to assist Lord Jyscal. As a monk, Maester Seymour soon distinguished himself. His accomplishments were many and acclaimed by all. He shot up through the ranks quickly, he did. Aye, he rose on his own, never riding Lord Jyscal's coattails. He's truly a remarkable young man. As a summoner, Maester Seymour's strength is matchless. Yet, he became a maester of Yevon instead of undertaking the pilgrimage to battle Sin. I think he believes that there's more to a summoner's duty than just destroying Sin."
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Nov 12, 2015 18:16
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Updated the OP with all the fanart I saved from the old thread and anything I scrounged from this one. Tell me if I missed anything.
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Nov 12, 2015 19:28
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The Dark Id posted:
This seems like the kind of thing that should've been brought up in Guadosalam or Mushroom Rock.
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Nov 12, 2015 19:37
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About Seymour's reasons for the marriage: (SPOILERS FOR STUFF STILL TO GO) Given his stated goals later on, unless I'm misremembering, surely none of this guado/human relations stuff should actually matter to him? Anyway, did I miss it or did no one call out that Life Is Strange reference last update? Kinda curious what TDI thought of the game. (I assume he made the right choice)
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VagueRant posted:About Seymour's reasons for the marriage: (SPOILERS FOR STUFF STILL TO GO) Given his stated goals later on, unless I'm misremembering, surely none of this guado/human relations stuff should actually matter to him? Well, he can't get what he wants without being a Guardian for another Summoner.
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I've got a theory about why Seymour wants to marry Yuna but it'll have to wait because spoilers.
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Schwartzcough posted:I think Seymour is at least unique in the Final Fantasy franchise in that his entire air of menace centers around his creepy sex-offender vibe. With that hair and that outfit, it's hard to take him seriously as a villain in any other context. Even his shrieking hellbeast of a summon and undead status can't fully shake off the goofiness.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:27
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It's mostly his voice. If it wasn't so high-pitch, he would be more threatening.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:29
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Tae posted:It's mostly his voice. If it wasn't so high-pitch, he would be more threatening. And yet, if he had a lower pitch in his voice, he wouldn't come across as quite so creepy, which is honestly where his villain cred comes from. After you've had a goddamn clown as your main villain in a game, some bishie looking freak with a bunch of hair, vague goals, and a deep voice isn't gonna be much of a--juuuuuust gonna stop myself right there before I set off something I shouldn't. ...Golbez best villain forever. >_>
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Nov 12, 2015 20:35
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Tae posted:It's mostly his voice. If it wasn't so high-pitch, he would be more threatening. I'm trying to imagine Jamieson Price's voice coming out of that face.
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Derek Barona posted:And yet, if he had a lower pitch in his voice, he wouldn't come across as quite so creepy, which is honestly where his villain cred comes from. After you've had a goddamn clown as your main villain in a game, some bishie looking freak with a bunch of hair, vague goals, and a deep voice isn't gonna be much of a--juuuuuust gonna stop myself right there before I set off something I shouldn't. It would work better if he was (even) more audibly slimy. A slight nasal, airy twinge, and a bit of stilted diction. Though we all now the real villain is a voiceless space whale dad.
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Derek Barona posted:...Golbez best villain forever. >_> The only thing I hated about Golbez is his last minute change from villain to victim.
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The Dark Id posted:Updated the OP with all the fanart I saved from the old thread and anything I scrounged from this one. Tell me if I missed anything. I got two for you. The first of which is dubious counting, is this post: bluerocker posted:
and this: bluerocker posted:I've been meaning to post this, but then the thread got locked.
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My personal fave FF antagonist is Lilith from one of FF11's expansions. She was awesome. Problem with citing her as an example though, is that due to the whole MMO thing, the example is largely met with blank stares. ... Someone should probably LP FF11 now that it's gotten its last hurrah of story content, come to think of it.
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Not sure of the source, but someone slapped Seymour's head on The Master's handy cloak from Manos: The Hands of Fate.
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