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What's interesting is that the most explicitly racist party (SD) hasn't really had any clear-cut positive messaging for the future. There's no obvious MAGA comparison to make here, because they don't peddle in the sort of "we will make life better for you!" other than extremely vague and frankly riksdags-wide platitudes (pensions! taxes!) Instead, they sell a vision of "brown people = bad and they need to be kicked home" which, while not something that is impossible for them to deliver to some degree, the results wouldn't be a substantially better life for the average Swede. It would certainly not be a noticeable trade-off for, say, oh, I dunno, rampaging power prices coupled with rising inflation. Them insisting that "these issues S left us can't be fixed in 4 years see ya in 2026" is not the talk of someone confident in their capability to deliver on promises.
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V. Illych L. posted:(Nye Veier, for instance, is a complete disaster and it's going to be really hard to get rid of it) Oh god christ don't get me started on that motherfucker of a concept
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Nice piece of fish posted:Oh god christ don't get me started on that motherfucker of a concept by all means, go off! i only just know enough to be horrified
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DF dude is mad he can't use the hard R n-bomb on Facebook, but not to worry, TV2 has got his back and won't challenge his small revisions. https://www.tv2ostjylland.dk/horsens/byraadsmedlem-er-vred-har-faaet-fjernet-opslag-med-pyrus-forsvar  
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Not a good day for TV2 I guess, seeing as Thomas Kristensen also compared Lukaku to King Kong twice, during the world cup match. But dont worry, he already cleared himself.
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Moderates seriously need to stop proposing sensible policies, like decriminalizing all drugs, alongside the neoliberal garbage. I don't want to like anything Løkke touches.Woodenlung posted:Not a good day for TV2 I guess, seeing as Thomas Kristensen also compared Lukaku to King Kong twice, during the world cup match. Yikes. Read the comments to die instantly.
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SplitSoul posted:Moderates seriously need to stop proposing sensible policies, like decriminalizing all drugs, alongside the neoliberal garbage. I don't want to like anything Løkke touches. Giving people access to said drugs through organised means is not part of the package, though. And selling it would still be illegal, so what's the point, really.
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THE BAR posted:Giving people access to said drugs through organised means is not part of the package, though. And selling it would still be illegal, so what's the point, really. Not punishing people that need help?
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THE BAR posted:Giving people access to said drugs through organised means is not part of the package, though. And selling it would still be illegal, so what's the point, really. Not punishing possession, for one. It doesn't really matter how they want to do it, anything is better than current practices and I don't see anyone else going far beyond "Let's trial run coffee shops".
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Jack Trades posted:Not punishing people that need help? SplitSoul posted:Not punishing possession, for one. It doesn't really matter how they want to do it, anything is better than current practices and I don't see anyone else going far beyond "Let's trial run coffee shops". It's a step in the right direction, but not nearly enough for me to throw them a vote, is what I'm saying.
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Russia status, looks bad. https://svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10023326 quote:Väldigt lite tyder på att Ryssland var berett på att EU skulle ställa om sin energipolitik så snabbt och totalt som nu håller på att ske. Lmao that they're surprised. When they stopped acting rationally was the day we stopped thinking we could reason with them.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Russia status, looks bad. I, too, am surprised. I expect that the EU would appease Russia for many more years, so we could keep huffing their gas.
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SplitSoul posted:DF dude is mad he can't use the hard R n-bomb on Facebook, but not to worry, TV2 has got his back and won't challenge his small revisions.
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Ostburgare is very reasonable, ostmacka is probably technically correct but just adds a layer of confusion.
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Googla litt og macka kommer enten fra tysk eller romanisk.
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If cheeseburger is good enough for norway, it's good enough for the sweedes. petition denied.
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teen witch posted:
parti? are we in france?  sverigefolkmaktsfördelningen
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Feliday Melody posted:I, too, am surprised. I expect that the EU would appease Russia for many more years, so we could keep huffing their gas.
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a lot of the economic damage has started being realised, and the line has been drawn very firmly. there's very little incentive for the europeans to restart gas imports from russia under the present circumstances - consumer prices seem more or less manageable for now, and policymakers are in a position where anything but a very clear hard line against russia is acceptable. the whole energiewende blueprint is gone and not coming back. the geopolitical ramifications of this war are going to be deep, long-term and probably very unpleasant for us.
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V. Illych L. posted:a lot of the economic damage has started being realised, and the line has been drawn very firmly. there's very little incentive for the europeans to restart gas imports from russia under the present circumstances - consumer prices seem more or less manageable for now, and policymakers are in a position where anything but a very clear hard line against russia is acceptable. the whole energiewende blueprint is gone and not coming back. the geopolitical ramifications of this war are going to be deep, long-term and probably very unpleasant for us. European LNG imports from Russia have increased by 46%, though. https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-gas-europe-lng-putin/
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SplitSoul posted:European LNG imports from Russia have increased by 46%, though. TFA posted:Statistics shared with POLITICO by the Commission show that between January and September 2022, EU countries imported 16.5 billion cubic meters (bcm) of Russian LNG, up from 11.3 bcm in the same period last year.
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Article confirms massive drop in gas imports but of course it needs to be sexy so they try to make it look like LNG is a problem to attract the uninformed.
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Rust Martialis posted:Article confirms massive drop in gas imports And in part replacing it with gas from Azerbaijan (who's importing gas from Russia)
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Showing the Russians who's boss by buying the same product from them more expensively or through intermediary dictatorships.
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Getting gas from Azerbeidzjan via the TANAP and TAP, which bypass Russia, and restructuring the EU gas market for more LNG from the world market are absolutely positive developments, and the best we can do in a world with Germans.
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SplitSoul posted:Showing the Russians who's boss by buying the same product from them more expensively or through intermediary dictatorships. Did you check any actual data before posting any of this, my esteemed friend and fellow poster? A cursory Internet search leads me to think you did not.  So 30-80 million cubic feet a day from Russia, hugely down since 2021.  As you can see, the vast majority of gas is either Norwegian or LNG. I suppose the intermediary dictatorship passing on Norwegian gas is.... Denmark.  In 2022, the majority of LNG to the EU comes from the United Intermediary Dictatorship of America. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/lng-infrastructure-in-the-eu/ https://www.bruegel.org/dataset/european-natural-gas-imports In summary, it does not, actually, seem like Europe is " buying the same product from them more expensively or through intermediary dictatorships". If you have data to support your bold claim, mayhap now would be a good time to produce it? Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Nov 29, 2022 |
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Rust Martialis posted:I suppose the intermediary dictatorship passing on Norwegian gas is.... Denmark. Med
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LNG is more expensive than piped gas in and of itself. Imports of that kind from Russia has increased, as the article I posted states, even if it, obviously, as the article I posted also states, doesn't make up for the shortfall on the other hand, which seems more our problem than the Russians'. Azerbaijan is a dictatorship and they're buying discounted Russian gas while selling Europe more of their own. We've also made a deal some Arab fascists, but we love sucking their dicks already, so no surprise there.
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Groda posted:Getting gas from Azerbeidzjan via the TANAP and TAP, which bypass Russia, and restructuring the EU gas market for more LNG from the world market are absolutely positive developments, and the best we can do in a world with Germans.
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ted hitler hunter posted:Is it positive for the Armenians? Do they matter? Does their democracy matter? Is it positive for the oppressed people in Azerbaijan who wants a democratic Azerbaijan? Does their yearning for a democratic country matter? No, evidently.
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SplitSoul posted:LNG is more expensive than piped gas in and of itself. Imports of that kind from Russia has increased, as the article I posted states, even if it, obviously, as the article I posted also states, doesn't make up for the shortfall on the other hand, which seems more our problem than the Russians'. Azerbaijan is a dictatorship and they're buying discounted Russian gas while selling Europe more of their own. We've also made a deal some Arab fascists, but we love sucking their dicks already, so no surprise there. Is there some reason you're ignoring the fact the USA and Norway both *massively* outsell the EU gas than every country you just mentioned? USA LNG sales *doubled* in 2022. Azerbaijan is a *fraction* of Norwegian sales. In reality, the *huge* drop in Russian gas sales was filled by Norway and the USA stepping up sales of gas and LNG. Not "Arab fascists" or Azerbaijan reselling Russian gas...
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Because it has nothing to do with my argument.
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Groda posted:Getting gas from Azerbeidzjan via the TANAP and TAP, which bypass Russia, and restructuring the EU gas market for more LNG from the world market are absolutely positive developments, and the best we can do in a world with Germans. our increased use of lng is hurting poorer nations reliant on it we are more or less exporting our energy crisis to countries like pakistan and bangladesh and replacing russia with azerbajdzjan is... not exactly an improvement on the whole 'dictatorship attacking a democracy' front
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SplitSoul posted:Because it has nothing to do with my argument. Perhaps you should clarify exactly what point you were trying to make, because so far what has been shown is: - huge drop in gas imports from Russia in 2022 - this drop was filled by Norway and the USA - no significant "re-routing" of any Russian gas via third countries And please provide some data to support your argument, whatever it is.
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