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I dunno at least one dev seems to be digging in his heels and being a big ol baby: https://twitter.com/azgaz/status/983225350846005248 I think it's hilarious that he posted on reddit the other day telling people that if they make a patch they have to pull people off of "new content" like everyone would be like "omg no don't do it!" - they really think that the health of the actual game should not be their first concern and it's unfortunate. beejay fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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The only way that I can understand that dev's attitude is that they're understaffed and stressed out internally anyways. Tbh I think the reason people get so upset with blizzard games being bad is they're just loaded with addictive crap like dailies and pleasant progress bars and loot boxes. So when game is bad people freak out. You reap what you sow I guess (not justifying the crazier people and death threats and freakouts ofc, just saying the two might be related)
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Apr 9, 2018 16:39
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I don't get how that's being a big baby. He's correctly stating that no response of his will be effective because whatever he says will be met with a drama-filled backlash.
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Apr 9, 2018 16:45
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Yeah like I said before, this game should be what a lot of people want a moba to be - shorter games with various maps and Blizzard characters you always wanted to face off. However, any kind of competitive multiplayer game will have people wanting to play it in a serious manner and have well-matched games. They've been struggling to provide that since ranked mode launched. Everyone has thought "well it's Blizzard, they will polish everything up and support it long-term and things will be ok" but the more time that goes on the less you can say that with a straight face. Further, I think the devs working on this game are becoming resentful of their position and either want off of it or are being pushed to milk money out of it as priority #1 and the playerbase is starting to sense it. I hope I'm wrong and they come out and say they have big changes coming soon and that they are good.
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Apr 9, 2018 16:47
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Toady posted:I don't get how that's being a big baby. He's correctly stating that no response of his will be effective because whatever he says will be met with a drama-filled backlash.
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Apr 9, 2018 16:49
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the core gameplay is really, really fun though, and almost every post agrees. there are three only semi-related problems right now: 1) fenix is horrendously overtuned. probably the easiest problem to solve, and an obvious one, but by itself not a dealbreaker. 2) MMR/matchmaking suck; teams have wildly differing skill levels, and almost every game ends up extremely one-sided. i have about a 50% winrate in HL over the past month or so and i can count on my fingers the games that ended with teams on the same level or 1-2 levels apart. when i lose, it's a stomp. when i win, it's a stomp. 3) the architecture of HL is terrible-- promotion/demotion matches at every numbered breakpoint instead of just between divisions, no swap, if someone doesn't feel cooperative in the draft lobby it's super easy to trainwreck a draft, there's very little incentive to play HL. there's a sort of nebulous fourth problem that the playerbase is full of toxic individuals/idiots who don't know what a team comp looks like, but i haven't played other MOBAs and don't know how common that is. communication seems exceptionally bad too. but those three are the big ones, and all three of them need to be fixed
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Apr 9, 2018 16:49
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Toady posted:I don't get how that's being a big baby. He's correctly stating that no response of his will be effective because whatever he says will be met with a drama-filled backlash. If you can't see how that tweet itself is unnecessarily dramatic I dunno what to tell you. "I want to tell you guys things but people are mean so instead I'm taking my ball home."
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Apr 9, 2018 16:49
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It's also important to have context that one of the issues that people are complaining about is lack of communication on Blizzard's part. I personally don't think they have zero communication or anything like that, but it is noticeable when most of their responses to concerns and requests are along the lines of we have nothing to discuss/reveal at this time. It's just a multitude of factors that are building up frustration in the community right now is all Midnightghoul fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Apr 9, 2018 16:55
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also from a personal perspective, i think genji and tracer are a serious problem. not that they're too good! there will always be meta heroes. i remember watching heroes of the dorm back in 2015 when every single match was between ETC and Diablo as tanks because they were the only two viable ones. but because dying to a good genji or tracer is hyper-demoralizing. there's nothing at all you can do, there's very little counterplay possible against those heroes. you feel helpless. in a game with 70+ heroes they won't all be viable for competitive, and that's ok-- but the devs can choose what should be good and what should be bad, and those two in their current forms shouldn't be good. it is not good for the game for those heroes to be powerful, because when they are powerful, they are fun-suckers in a way that, say, zul'jin and kael'thas aren't. even fenix. his numbers are too high right now, but his core gameplay isn't problematic. there's counterplay. just reducing his numbers would make him perfectly fine and fair. it's like when they removed ess of johan (if anyone remembers that). losing to ess of johan was unfun and sucked. li ming was still absolutely top tier for months afterward, but without ess she felt "fair" in a way she didn't before.
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I fully understand that you would look at Reddit right now and you'd think the community are the ones being the big ol' baby. At this point it feels like everybody is giving their own take like they are diamond one-tricks promoting their hero guide. All these takes make it feel like something needs to happen, but it can't even be decided what that something is. There also seems to be a lot of unfounded "oh no, the game is dying!" panic (with some people not understanding which devs do what, but I guess that always happens). And thus all the valid arguments are wheat which is lost among the chaff. Edit 2: original edit removed because it almost sounded like I was making GBS threads on people in this thread, oops 
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Apr 9, 2018 17:00
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Cut Genji dash in half. You can have the full length back at 20. Maybe increase his other numbers a bit (if that's needed)?
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Apr 9, 2018 17:01
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Midnightghoul posted:The HotS reddit is now completely aflame with game issues, mostly to do with hero league. It's not just a bunch of random complainers too, as popular streamers, and now pro players and even people that work for Blizzard on the esports side ( https://www.reddit.com/user/Khaldor ) are frustrated about it. Hopefully some stuff is in the PTR patch today or is addressed by Blizzard soon. Cool to see that Khaldor seems to have most of the same opinions that I do. Also, do other mobas have QM and is it the same as Hots with the completely random teams? LoL and DotA don't seem to have this HL issue, nor do I ever really hear anyone ever talk about QM in those games.
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bamhand posted:Cut Genji dash in half. You can have the full length back at 20. Maybe increase his other numbers a bit (if that's needed)? Cut Genji to pieces and throw him in the trash.
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Apr 9, 2018 17:22
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:2) MMR/matchmaking suck; teams have wildly differing skill levels, and almost every game ends up extremely one-sided. i have about a 50% winrate in HL over the past month or so and i can count on my fingers the games that ended with teams on the same level or 1-2 levels apart. when i lose, it's a stomp. when i win, it's a stomp. There's a very specific sort of "bad matchmaking" that afflicts high level players. Sometimes it puts together teams that are like one GM + four plats vs one GM + four plats which is fair but the GM gets pissed off at the scrubs he's playing with. beejay posted:I dunno at least one dev seems to be digging in his heels and being a big ol baby:
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Apr 9, 2018 17:37
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I can't tell if Diablo and ETC are kinda overpowered or if all other main tanks just kinda suck.
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Apr 9, 2018 17:41
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Orange Crush Rush posted:I can't tell if Diablo and ETC are kinda overpowered or if all other main tanks just kinda suck. Garrosh is good. Johanna is seeing a ton of pro play recently. Blaze is sometimes played as main tank, but oftentimes overpowered bruiser/offlane
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Orange Crush Rush posted:I can't tell if Diablo and ETC are kinda overpowered or if all other main tanks just kinda suck. This is my favorite post from 2015. Edit: I should clarify for all the players who joined after the initial launch. ETC and Diablo were really strong during the closed beta and both got a rework back then which took the wind out of their sails. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Apr 9, 2018 17:52
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I think all of the main tanks are good (there arent many tbh). Tanks are one thing the game is doing really well right now. Diablo, ETC, Johanna, Anubarak, Stitches, Muradin, Garrosh, Arthas, you'll have your preferences but these guys are all pretty acceptable.
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Apr 9, 2018 17:57
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There was the poster itt who was interviewed by Blizz a week ago for his insights, and another duder on reddit who posted a "what should I ask them?" thread, so at least there are signs that they're not just ignoring the player base. Also, I have a coworker who never reads patch notes, never reads forums or reddit, and loves this game to bits. Plays a healthy mix of ranked and unranked, just enjoys the game. Reddit's uptick of bitching could be an indicator that things are relatively bad right now, but only Blizzard has the context of "how many people does this affect?" and "did we just please 90% of people while pissing off 10%?"
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Apr 9, 2018 18:00
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I mostly play warriors and have never felt like Tracer or Genji or anyone else makes the game unfun. I can see how it's annoying losing a 1v1 to them as another assassin, but in a team sense I've always found them fairly easy to shut down. One good stun from a warrior with a team that can follow up (yeah, I know) and they pop like any other squishy character. I know "lol just stun them" isn't really counterplay, but I hardly find them to be a huge cancer on the game or whatever. Calling out "I'm going to stormbolt Tracer when she dives" usually works just fine for me.
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Yeah as a warrior you probably don't notice how busted they are. You have to play a a squishy hero to fully understand how Genji can just come in and blow you up the moment you fall under 50%. With the only counter play being stay so far back that you can't hit anything with any of your abilities. Tracer, especially the new version feels a lot more fair. She probably just needs a little bit more tuning on her AA damage.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:25
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Blizz doesn't understand what makes tracer good because they tried to nerf her last patch and it turned out to be a buff.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:26
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if you look at HGC tanks are in a great place right now with almost all of them showing up regularly. great diversity. about 50% of healers ever show up at all with a heavy bias towards malf, stukov and uther. dps it’s basically malth, greymane, Hanzo, genji, tracer, junkrat, maiev and Tychus, with some zera. that’s it.
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bamhand posted:Yeah as a warrior you probably don't notice how busted they are. You have to play a a squishy hero to fully understand how Genji can just come in and blow you up the moment you fall under 50%. With the only counter play being stay so far back that you can't hit anything with any of your abilities. Tracer, especially the new version feels a lot more fair. She probably just needs a little bit more tuning on her AA damage. They just need to make his dash shorter or not ignore walls honestly.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:if you look at HGC tanks are in a great place right now with almost all of them showing up regularly. great diversity. I'd say the dps meta is a bit more diverse than that, though. Looking at HGC EU, for instance, we have Gul'dan, Chromie and Li-Ming at a higher popularity than Maiev and Tychus. Zera is below other dps like Thrall, Lunara and Falstad. This weekend we saw all of these, alongside Samuro. But yeah, heavily slanted toward the Genji, Hanzo, Tracer and GM.
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Yeah I said earlier that his dash range should be cut in half and then a 20 talent to get it back to current range. Maybe up his q damage a little bit to compensate.
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it does depend on region. eastern clash was almost always 14 of the same 16 or so heroes picked/banned, EU and NA has more diversity. there’s also some idiosyncrasies like Sonya being popular in EU/NA and Falstad in CN/KR. but those four are absolutely close to 100% participation, and I’d wager Fenix gets a 100% banrate at the upcoming HGC events
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Apr 9, 2018 18:45
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What about nerfing the lvl 1 trait talent that increase your jumping off mount? I love Genji, but this combined with the talent that give you spell armour after jumping seems a bit too strong.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:48
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Samu posted:What about nerfing the lvl 1 trait talent that increase your jumping off mount? I love Genji, but this combined with the talent that give you spell armour after jumping seems a bit too strong. Wait do people take a level 1 talent besides his e?
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Man. Trying out HL after playing mostly UD and QM for several years has been hell. Not being up to date on the most current meta and trying to get better loving sucks. Tons of negativity and horrible experiences. Not to mention that I mainly played specialists and healers, so right now any pick is instantly criticized. Makes me want to just turn off chat altogether and rely on pings.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:54
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Pick sonya. you'll win and people will like you.
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bamhand posted:Wait do people take a level 1 talent besides his e? I didn't realize so many people go all in on E build. The thing that make Genji annoying to play as is he just come in from off screen, kills you immediately and then is gone. Talenting into his trait makes him have even less counterplay which is annoying to play against. I'm suprised more people don't take those talents, what make E build better?
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No Wave posted:Pick sonya. you'll win and people will like you.
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I would. I would recommend sonya to that person.
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Samu posted:I didn't realize so many people go all in on E build. Genji's super vulnerable when you E in, the little speed boost lets you try to walk out without blowing your D too early and getting blown up. I don't think I've even seen someone play Genji in a long while, but that might be because I'm playing him all the time. If you can't beat them join them.
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Rexicon1 posted:Man. Trying out HL after playing mostly UD and QM for several years has been hell. Not being up to date on the most current meta and trying to get better loving sucks. Tons of negativity and horrible experiences. Not to mention that I mainly played specialists and healers, so right now any pick is instantly criticized. Makes me want to just turn off chat altogether and rely on pings. TL 5 stack or vs. Beginner AI. There is no middle ground 
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Rexicon1 posted:Man. Trying out HL after playing mostly UD and QM for several years has been hell. Not being up to date on the most current meta and trying to get better loving sucks. Tons of negativity and horrible experiences. Not to mention that I mainly played specialists and healers, so right now any pick is instantly criticized. Makes me want to just turn off chat altogether and rely on pings. Just play Thrall.
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https://clips.twitch.tv/BetterBombasticGoatSoonerLater I think this is a good example of recent character balance vs old character balance
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All of the warriors are in a pretty good place imo, even if I only like playing Diablo, Leoric, and Blaze.
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Bogart posted:All of the warriors are in a pretty good place imo, even if I only like playing Diablo, Leoric, and Blaze. Agreed, I think warriors are all in a pretty good spot with fairly well carved out niches for each of them. Not so much for the supports though
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