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update on my "woke libs resisting violence" strugglequote:I agree that this is a very important conversation to have. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU
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upside: iso is on my side with this and i'm going to get together with them before the next general meeting and hash out a group argument so that we can present a united front against these lib motherfuckers
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It did raise questions for me that Antifa had signed on, given my understanding that they are explicitly not committed to nonviolence and I have understood that to be fundamental to the Coalition. ahahahahahahaha
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Al! posted:It did raise questions for me that Antifa had signed on, given my understanding that they are explicitly not committed to nonviolence and I have understood that to be fundamental to the Coalition. my first reaction was "im gonna punch you in the mouth and see how you respond" but i didnt send that email
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:my first reaction was "im gonna punch you in the mouth and see how you respond" but i didnt send that email i bet antifa didnt raise questions until the media decided it had been long enough since trump said many sides for them to start saying many sides again
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Al! posted:i bet antifa didnt raise questions until the media decided it had been long enough since trump said many sides for them to start saying many sides again Ehhhhh it's a fairly new coalition, only had like three meetings total. And this is the first time the actual discussion has come up
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Also worth noting that I privately suggested I reach out to wobblies and redneck revolt about joining so that we can stack the deck and drown out the libs
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John Brown Militia sucks. A lot. Avoid them. John Brown Gun Club is totally unrelated to them, they are good. So is Redneck Revolt. And Huey Newton Gun Club. So is Socialist Rifle Association (I've done work with them). Austin Red Guard is Maoist (there's a lot of MLM / maoist groups in texas for some reason). They're ok, but don't play well with others.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:update on my "woke libs resisting violence" struggle Allende's chile -> pinochet shooting leftist in football stadiums Killing fields of Indonesia -> approx 3 million suspected communists and ethnic chinese were massacred, the perps having no reprecussions, and to this day still talking about how happy they were to do it Of course wiemar republic -> nazis Then Point out that the uk left India because they knew they'd get killed of they didn't, behind Gandhi were a lot of very violent people, and also point out that MLK was tarred as violent, but that the current liberal sanitized image of him is 100% the result of a ideological campaign to write Malcolm X out of history entirely
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anyone have that image of the last supper with (((echos)) around everyone seated
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rudatron posted:They've been forced fed a lie that staying passive means they're protected, but history will disabuse then of that notion. look at this guy who thinks they form arguments based on anything like logic
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It's not necessarily conscious 'logic', an explicitly endorsed position - that would imply a level of self-awareness that I don' think liberals possess. It's an emotional relationship. They want things to change, they want to feel safe, and they've been forced fed a lie that acting like cattle is going to change anything in this world, that if you stand around and wait then things will get better. The only way to break them out of that, is to make it understood to them that that is not the case - changing the world for the better will mean taking on the centers of power, who can and will use deadly force to secure themselves, even if that is at the expense of everyone else or the planet as a whole. Until they feel that truth, until they truly understand it, and act as if it were the case, they will continue to act like cattle.
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rudatron posted:It's not necessarily conscious 'logic', an explicitly endorsed position - that would imply a level of self-awareness that I don' think liberals possess. It's an emotional relationship. They want things to change, they want to feel safe, and they've been forced fed a lie that acting like cattle is going to change anything in this world, that if you stand around and wait then things will get better. the term is sheeple dude
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Libs Love Logic love to be pedantic
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:look at this guy who thinks they form arguments based on anything like logic I mean, it's a well-known principle that libs are excited to debate anything, and you don't have to convince the lib, you have to convince the audience... EDIT: Get a nice crisp suit and a fresh haircut beforehand. LordSaturn has issued a correction as of 05:44 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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nonviolence worked ok for Gandhi also because the British didn't hold the position of desiring to just murder all Indians
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lancemantis posted:nonviolence worked ok for Gandhi also because the British didn't hold the position of desiring to just murder all Indians Gandhi was taking quite a chance betting on England's vanity and greed to keep them from going full-Leopold IV on India. British domination of India was a brutal affair, and they'd resorted to naked force more than once.
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Bullfrog posted:John Brown Militia sucks. A lot. Avoid them.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Gandhi was taking quite a chance betting on England's vanity and greed to keep them from going full-Leopold IV on India. British domination of India was a brutal affair, and they'd resorted to naked force more than once. Also, the independence campaigns included active sabotage of British infrastructure and mass civil disobedience, effectively rendering the country ungovernable. In the middle of World War II.
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Playing the Allies in Empire of the Sun makes you hate Gandhi with the passion of a thousand suns
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I don't know why Texas and Maoists go together, but Maoism has an appeal because it's programmatic. With the Trots, you might spend a lot of time sitting around theorizing. That's the cliche anyways. With Maoism, the time for discussion is over! *slams fist on table* You've got a plan so you just need the ingredients and you're ready to bake. Now whether the conditions of early 20th century China correspond to 21st century America, I dunno... Red Guards suffers from (I guess the term is) ultra-leftism, as Lenin would put it. "Overestimating the current level of militancy." Example: on May Day in Austin, the left groups put on a rally and had their own antifa there, and a small far-right counter-protest showed up, but they were vastly outnumbered so there were no problems. Red Guards wouldn't have it, though, and took off on a march through downtown wearing their red masks, got jumped by a larger far-right group (that included neo-Nazis) that was roving around, and which pinned the Maoists up against a fence. One of the Maoists was assaulted, they had no backup, and the police had to escort them out. This is a group that previously showed up to BLM events, dumped a dead pig's head (I'm presuming bought from a meat market) on the ground while chanting things such as "oink oink bang bang." Total disaster.
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I mean, the Red Guards specifically come from people who went mad with power from an overturning of the social order and proceeded to violently punish anyone who looked at them funny and set themselves and their children up for life in the new order. Not surprising they're the ones always taking things too far. Not that it's really a big problem because doing literally anything the Right doesn't like gets you labelled a commiehomonazi anyway.
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Al! posted:the maoists got lf shut down by generally being embarassing I thought it was because they put an automated turret outside Obama's door that made it impossible for him to leave the oval office.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I don't know why Texas and Maoists go together It's because Mao spoke at a 4th Grade reading level. Mao was the Trump of Communism.
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I saw this one Infowars video like a year before the election where Red Guards was getting into it with some anti-abortion protesters. Alex Jones was there and yelled at one of the Maoists "do you want to kill babies!?" And this deadlocked Maoist girl went "Hell yeah I kill my kids!" I lolled but also, like, goddamn.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I saw this one Infowars video like a year before the election where Red Guards was getting into it with some anti-abortion protesters. Alex Jones was there and yelled at one of the Maoists "do you want to kill babies!?" And this deadlocked Maoist girl went "Hell yeah I kill my kids!" The more you talk about them the more I like 'em.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Depends on where you live, some states don't like that M word Weirdly, here in AZ, they are the John Brown Gun Club. I guess despite being a right wing Hell Hole filled with honest to gently caress prepper militia nutters, we don't like the actual word militia.
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John Brown Gun Club is entirely separate from John Brown Militia. Militia doesn't know what they're doing, Gun Club and their sister org Redneck Revolt are extremely legit.
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The Ian Miles Cheong lore is deep and sordid https://twitter.com/rubblewoman/status/906113092257554432 https://twitter.com/rubblewoman/status/906113652205420544 https://twitter.com/2dAmMuslim/status/906115503701336064 https://twitter.com/2dAmMuslim/status/906116239201894400 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4pFEAhO13I
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:He's not wrong. https://twitter.com/JayChpJones/status/906120719989444609
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rudatron posted:Point out that the uk left India because they knew they'd get killed of they didn't, behind Gandhi were a lot of very violent people, and also point out that MLK was tarred as violent, but that the current liberal sanitized image of him is 100% the result of a ideological campaign to write Malcolm X out of history entirely i'm seconding this. framing the civil rights movement correctly as a show of force and scaring white people into giving PoCs rights is a good way to approach this. if they went full MLK (nonviolent protest and sit ins), they would have been ignored. if they went full Malcom X, they would have been shot dead in the streets. you need a diversity of tactics and as history has shown, the status quo won't change unless there's a threat of force (direct action, violence, striking, etc). in framing it to them, they need the extremists (antifa, DSA, etc) to get a compromise that favors the middle (them) basically, don't radicalize libs directly into the black bloc, get them talking to leftists and open that door for conversation (because they'll be a lot more receptive once they realize the left isnt a gaggle of miniature stalins)
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rudatron posted:also point out that MLK was tarred as violent, but that the current liberal sanitized image of him is 100% the result of a ideological campaign to write Malcolm X out of history entirely Hey, that's not true! It was also about writing Stokley Carmichael and other black firebrands out of history.
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Business Gorillas posted:i'm seconding this. framing the civil rights movement correctly as a show of force and scaring white people into giving PoCs rights is a good way to approach this. if they went full MLK (nonviolent protest and sit ins), they would have been ignored. if they went full Malcom X, they would have been shot dead in the streets. you need a diversity of tactics and as history has shown, the status quo won't change unless there's a threat of force (direct action, violence, striking, etc). in framing it to them, they need the extremists (antifa, DSA, etc) to get a compromise that favors the middle (them) i remember the only time MLK being referred to as a Socialist was early 00's online Conservative dipshits using it as an insult (followed by that loving picture of him "IN CUMMIE SKOOL  ")
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