B33rChiller posted:

B33rChiller posted:

I hear what you're saying, but I'm not really expressing what my actual frustration is. I apologize for my poor communication.
The thing that is frustrating me, is not being able to narrow down my search with local retailers' websites to specifically target the kinds of products you mentioned. I'm having to scroll past many things that will likely never be in my range of use cases. A prophet certainly goes for more than a '97 mercury sable.

I don't really have any clearly defined goals, apart from being able to pack most everything into a bag, and bring it with me to the park, or a friend's place whenever that's something I can do again. The idea of not wanting a keyboard attached is also coming from the fact that I already have a launchkey mini.

What I was trying to accomplish was to get an idea of what might be available locally, and for what price. It's one thing to read a price on here, then have to add x% for the fact it's being sold in Canada, then do a currency conversion. It's another to look at the local 0retailer's website and get a real idea of what it might cost me.

I was just sharing my minor frustrations. The korg nts-1 kit looked appealing, and I was interested in seeing if there was one near me, and if there was anything else similar on the market.


eta, I re-read your post, and thank you very much for giving me some lines to research. That should help narrow down the search.

Tayter Swift posted:

In line with the current conversation I have a Digitakt ordered to pair with my Digitone

Kinda thinking of a livestream-type project called Dungeons and Digitones where I roll d8s to determine what pattern to go to next

Startyde posted:

Did they add the page param randomizer button chord to those boxes too? might be fun for that kind of interactive generative music

Martytoof posted:

As a non-piano player I found that the input devices I really appreciate are chromatic keyboards (and hopefully I’m not using the term incorrectly). I can hit any buttons and they just make sounds that are pleasing when played together. I rarely touch the actual keyboard on my Reface DX because my MPC does a better job helping me not sound like a cat running across a keyboard with its chromatic pads.

Music theory is something I should learn eventually but I’ve got fifteen places to put every free minute and right now I’m too busy having fun playing with sounds to study.

Achmed Jones posted:

lol ableton finally has scale mode in 11, though, so it's basically useless now i guess 🤷‍♀️

Achmed Jones posted:

re: chromatic keyboards or whatever they're called, i made a plug-in that turns your white keys into whatever scale you want and your black keys to chords in that scale. it's at spacepoodle.net. it is free

it's nice when you're like me and don't know how to play keys

JamesKPolk posted:

mods are awake post jammers

NonzeroCircle posted:

Earlier today I cracked open Reaktor and built a quick thing with dual sequencers using blocks and it reminded me how zen patching stuff is.
I have the latest full version of Reaktor, the NI ones from the user library like Niij/the Maschine sequencers and also Euro Reakt (which has some mad stuff in it, some of those oscillators like the Karplus can get real weird, but useable, real fast). Also a couple free things like that Moog modular pack and the Brett Blocks. And Cloudlab (Buchla stuff, fantastic and realllllllly highlights to me how West Coast stuff is different to East/Euro. Shits bonkers)
Are there any other must have modules either from the user Library or otherwise? I'd rather my GAS for modular stay within the Reaktor boundaries for obvious reasons! I'd say im particularly after Euroracky sequencers.

On the other end of the spectrum, my SR16 should hopefully arrive tomorrow and it's struck me I can run it through my Monotron Delay I got for Xmas and am looking forward to that.

A MIRACLE posted:

Thinking about replacing my MG10XU with the Tascam Model 12. it kinda reminds me of my old 424. I don't enjoy using daws that much on my solo projects and have just been grabbing stereo rips from the mixer and normalizing them. I tried to use the Octatrack as a multitrack recorder but it's kinda just a pain in the rear end for that. Anyone got a model 12?

toadee posted:

If you want to do most things in the mixer then it seems really good. The only reason I didn't go with one is because I found out that when using it as a USB multichannel interface, none of the channel strips or faders do anything to the audio input. As long as that still fits in your workflow though they look like a great deal.

A MIRACLE posted:

Thats.. interesting. I assume the preamp gain works though right? :-)

I do want it as a 424 replacement basically.

toadee posted:

If you would have to work around that, I would recommend waiting for the new Mackie Onyx series that is basically the Tascam Model series, but the channel strips and faders work. No on board recording though (but stereo out you could send to something else to record to)

Ok Comboomer posted:

isn't there just an audio return button on each channel for that on the tascam? My Soundcraft works the same way. I assume that it's also constantly summing everything to the master channels like the soundcraft as well. You gotta wrap your brain around it for a second when you start out, but it's not that bad.

Edit: looks like at least someall of the ONYX have onboard SD recording

toadee posted:

All of the reviews I read just said "if you want to use it as an audio interface, none of the channel strips or faders will do anything", so I kind of just stopped there because that's literally what I was interested in.

Didn't realize the Onyx series had SD card recording though, that's cool. It wasn't a priority for me and I hadn't remembered seeing it, but, looks like that might just be better all around then

Ok Comboomer posted:

wait, I'm confused. So do the faders, etc work pre-send or do they not? It reads like you're contradicting your earlier statement.

toadee posted:

yeah they work pre send they just don't send down the USB channels

Ok Comboomer posted:

so then it's the same as the TASCAM/Soundcraft?

toadee posted:

I guess so? Again like I said, once I saw that the channel strip/faders weren't sent via the USB channels I didn't care about anything else and stopped looking at it

A MIRACLE posted:

thanks, that's good to know but I think for my use cases is irrelevant. If I'm recording into Logic via the Tascam I want to be able to crank input gain on the preamp but I don't need to use the mixers eq or effects. Then I can mix in Logic using the faders over midi.

toadee posted:

For me then I wondered why I would be paying for this big mixing interface without ever using the mixer. At that point you might as well just get a nice high density audio interface, or even that RME card with 4 8-channel ADAT inputs and then expand with whatever ADA Converters you want etc etc. Like, I guess I just don't get the point of a mixer, with multichannel USB audio, where the entire control surface doesn't affect the USB audio at all?

To that end, it would be really need to have a USB mixer that was configurable, in such that the channel strip knobs/faders could control DAW elements instead of their analog channel if you wanted/also provide some transport controls etc sent to the DAW. In fact, there's a real lack of mixer-style DAW controllers that aren't either only a few channels, or like, ABSURDLY expensive.

A MIRACLE posted:

the model 12 does have a daw control feature that separates it from the other models 16, 24. so it does behave like a daw control surface. it's just that the incoming audio will be captured pre-channel strip during recording. for playback you can use it like a mixer for the daw

toadee posted:

That does make it cooler! I wonder why not have that feature in the others???

Flipperwaldt posted:

Do these mixers that can multichannel into your daw also let you multichannel back out to the mixer? Like you'd use it as a replacement for the mixer in your daw? Using it like that, it'd make some sense that the recordings would be unaffected by the channel strips. Just trying to puzzle together how a manufacturer might think it will be used.

E: I see that was answered already

toadee posted:

For me then I wondered why I would be paying for this big mixing interface without ever using the mixer. At that point you might as well just get a nice high density audio interface, or even that RME card with 4 8-channel ADAT inputs and then expand with whatever ADA Converters you want etc etc. Like, I guess I just don't get the point of a mixer, with multichannel USB audio, where the entire control surface doesn't affect the USB audio at all?