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Boy, remember when Marvel Netflix was just Daredevil and Jessica Jones' first seasons and it looked like they couldn't do any wrong? The Hand's greatest victory was destroying several seasons of TV. And as has been said, being ninjas who are boring.
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But they did do wrong. It's called the back half of JJS1!!
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Oct 11, 2018 23:07
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The best two episodes of the season are both in the back half sooooo
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Oct 11, 2018 23:10
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LividLiquid posted:Boy, remember when Marvel Netflix was just Daredevil and Jessica Jones' first seasons and it looked like they couldn't do any wrong? But the greatest scholars have assured me that it’s just like that in the comics which are inherently cool and therefore any notion that the ninjas are quote unquote bad is unjust and in this TED talk I will
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Oct 12, 2018 00:13
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Strip the ninjas out and DDs2 was great. I'm not a huge Punisher fan one way or the other but I love him in the Netflix shows.
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Oct 12, 2018 01:06
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The ninjas weren't bad because they were ninjas they were bad because they didn't do anything and Elektra was there being horrible. One of the best fights in season 1 is against a ninja. Stop acting like wearing a pyjama and holding a sword is what made them lame. Especially since they got 200 times lamer when they were no longer ninjas because Marvel got scared by the backlash.
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Oct 12, 2018 01:21
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The Punisher, Jessica Jones season 1 and Daredevil season 1 all had the same reason they were the best seasons - they had a primary antagonist that lasts from beginning to end. The Punisher had a secondary antagonist the whole way through that was well established and was dealt with before they got all the way to the end so it didn't feel out of nowhere nor did it feel to being usurping the main narrative. The other shows always have haha you thought this was the bad guy but in fact its now THIS (or in Daredevil season 2's case, its now THREE new people) and your investment is all over the place. Plus it drags it out by being "well the problems resolved so we need more episodes so lets add this new person in.
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Oct 12, 2018 01:31
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The Hand would have been fine, if they'd just gone all in on ninjas and not chicken out on it. Yes the ending of DDS2 should have had Punisher with a minigun mowing down a fuckton of ninjas to even the odds. Yes ninjas in Iron Fist should have been terrifying and mysterious instead of just... a community college for dysfunctional kids. Yes the ninjas in Defenders should have been ninjas intent on, I dunno, awakening a dragon to harvest its power by making their own Iron Fist rather than being some generic goons hoping to dig up some bones to maintain the status quo. Army of undying ninjas = good. But once you pussy out on going with an actual army of motherfucking undying ninjas then it fails. The greatest sin they committed was halfassing it. Lean in god drat it.
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Oct 12, 2018 07:33
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It’s not just inconsistent zombie ninjas that suck, it’s also wasting Sigourney Weaver to an absolutely criminal degree and Elektra basically just being a “Sexy Lamp” macguffin with wildly inconsistent power/skill levels. Basically whichever writer was briteforcing The Hand into everything is dragging down the entire Marvel-Netflix universe by not understanding what makes any of those pieces interesting whatsoever. Like how hard is it to write an old lady fight between Sigourney Weaver and Madame Gao? I also decided why I don’t like Jessica Jones: It’s just absolutely no fun. Daredevil is fun and knows how to have fun, Punisher learned to break up the melodrama with levity and happy flashbacks, Luke Cage uses music and community to add warmth and substance to the gritty gangster back drop. Jessica Jones S1 has no room for warmth or happiness or levity because it is, at its core, a story of victimization and that’s just not FUN. I honestly have the same issues with any show about prison. OZ/OITNB were both easy skips for me because prison isn’t fun and I know too much about how it works to be able to suspend my disbelief at how the characters seem to be enjoying it.
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Oct 12, 2018 11:56
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Lid posted:The Punisher, Jessica Jones season 1 and Daredevil season 1 all had the same reason they were the best seasons - they had a primary antagonist that lasts from beginning to end. Also, good to tremendous performances.
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Oct 12, 2018 12:35
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High praise review for Daredevil season 3: https://io9.gizmodo.com/daredevil-season-3-is-a-great-reminder-that-its-harder-1829678259
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Oct 12, 2018 17:11
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Here's one that is less nice https://twitter.com/kylepinion/status/1050749420634087424
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Oct 12, 2018 17:49
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Most of the reviews I've seen have been really positive so that seems to be an outlier at the very least
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Arist posted:Most of the reviews I've seen have been really positive so that seems to be an outlier at the very least Also hates AOS because it isn't a MOTW type show
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Oct 12, 2018 18:02
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achillesforever6 posted:To be fair it was retweeted from a friend of mine who has set out to hate the Netflix shows because he hates "Prestige" TV and how serious these shows are. Sound like your friend needs to stick to re-runs of Magnum PI and Rockford Files or maybe watch CBS procedurals. He'll get the "this is definitely *not* prestige TV" and nondescript contained episodes.
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Oct 12, 2018 18:14
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Teek posted:High praise review for Daredevil season 3: This says Matt is busted up and has lost his abilities. I didn't see Defenders. Can someone give me a brief recap? I didn't know Matt had lost his senses so I guess they're going to incorporate that arc from Miller's run in there too but, if I remember right, that was only one issue and Stick trained him back up. What do i need to know going in next Friday?
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Oct 12, 2018 18:17
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BiggerBoat posted:This says Matt is busted up and has lost his abilities. I didn't see Defenders. Can someone give me a brief recap? I didn't know Matt had lost his senses so I guess they're going to incorporate that arc from Miller's run in there too but, if I remember right, that was only one issue and Stick trained him back up. Matt stayed behind to buy time for the others to escape when they were blowing up a skyscraper filled with ninjas built over a dragon skeleton. Everyone believes he's dead, but the stinger showed that he was still alive.
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Oct 12, 2018 18:22
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Cythereal posted:Matt stayed behind to buy time for the others to escape when they were blowing up a skyscraper filled with ninjas built over a dragon skeleton. Everyone believes he's dead, but the stinger showed that he was still alive. Yeah, if he lost his abilities, it's news to us.
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Oct 12, 2018 18:26
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i figured that moment in s2 when after the punisher bounced a bullet off his dome and he lost control of his powers was supposed to come up again later but it never did. maybe this is that paying off finally?
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Oct 12, 2018 19:09
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Serf posted:i figured that moment in s2 when after the punisher bounced a bullet off his dome and he lost control of his powers was supposed to come up again later but it never did. maybe this is that paying off finally? He had a concussion that he eventually recovered from during that season.
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Oct 12, 2018 20:10
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Iron Fist cancelled. Return on the Disney streaming service is apparently a possibility, with the other four Netflix Marvel shows expected to continue apace. if being rebooted as a film isn’t in the cards, the show could benefit a lot from no longer having to operate in the same figurative and tonal universe as the other Netflix Marvel series, at least https://twitter.com/deadlinedominic/status/1050915732656025600?s=21
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Oct 13, 2018 02:47
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Yeah, as I commented in the BSS TV thread, hopefully this marks the end of the “this show is a *grounded* take of...” style superhero show. I’m not necessarily a fan of CW style shows (except Black Lightning, that rules), but they’re flashy and try to be fun.
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Oct 13, 2018 02:50
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I mean my problem with the CW shows is they often want to be super depressing for no reason. Legends is good because it just goes 'gently caress it this is goofy bullshit.' and Black Lightning is good because it does a better job with the drama.
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Oct 13, 2018 02:54
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Bring Danny and Colleen to Luke Cage. Bring Mary to Jessica Jones. But most of all, bring the Meachums to Punisher.
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Oct 13, 2018 02:58
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man if they don't bring Colleen over to Luke Cage that's gonna be a bummer nothing else of value was lost Gorelab posted:I mean my problem with the CW shows is they often want to be super depressing for no reason. Legends is good because it just goes 'gently caress it this is goofy bullshit.' and Black Lightning is good because it does a better job with the drama. once Legends gets rid of the Hawkpeople and gets good in S2 it's an amazing breath of fresh air just because it remembers that comic books are fun
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Oct 13, 2018 03:04
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The first casualty in the war.
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Oct 13, 2018 03:08
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Barry Convex posted:Iron Fist cancelled. Return on the Disney streaming service is apparently a possibility, with the other four Netflix Marvel shows expected to continue apace. It doesn't really matter, they can just move the characters to Luke Cage if they want. It's really just less total episodes of "Netflix Marvel" to throw money at.
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Oct 13, 2018 03:18
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Lycus posted:It doesn't really matter, they can just move the characters to Luke Cage if they want. It's really just less total episodes of "Netflix Marvel" to throw money at. do this as heroes for hire and do like legends of tomorrow and go the fun route instead of grim dark.
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Oct 13, 2018 03:47
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Lycus posted:It doesn't really matter, they can just move the characters to Luke Cage if they want. It's really just less total episodes of "Netflix Marvel" to throw money at. Watch them take the lesson that "we can order 16 episodes per season now!" from this instead. Edit: VVV I could live with that. As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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Oct 13, 2018 05:17
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Personally, I'm wondering if it's not Marvel's netflix division only being handed enough money to do four series. Punisher wasn't originally planned, and did much better than Iron Fist. So perhaps Iron Fist has been axed to keep Punisher going.
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Oct 13, 2018 05:20
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AngryBooch posted:Bring Danny and Colleen to Luke Cage.
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Oct 13, 2018 05:28
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AngryBooch posted:Bring Danny and Colleen to Luke Cage. That would be perfect, Danny and Luke work well together, and the show could use some action choreography that isn't awful
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Oct 13, 2018 07:22
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I hope this causes a domino effect that changes the way Marvel makes these series. I can't do another 13 hours of story that could be condensed into half that.
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Oct 13, 2018 08:42
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Making reputable, quality stories is not something the MCU ever wants to do. No money in it.
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Oct 13, 2018 10:01
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Yea Danny was fine in Luke Cage, just do that.
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I'm cool with bringing Danny over to Luke Cage and doing Heroes for Hire but please recast Finn if you do it but the better move if you need another Defender is Moon Knight.Proteus Jones posted:Yeah, as I commented in the BSS TV thread, hopefully this marks the end of the “this show is a *grounded* take of...” style superhero show. The Netflix shows already deal in "gritty and grounded" heroes for the most part so I don't see the approach as much of a problem.
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Oct 13, 2018 13:24
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Unsurprising, but a bit disappointing now that they finally showed off Iron [OBJECT] and not just punching
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bring back old gbs posted:Unsurprising, but a bit disappointing now that they finally showed off Iron [OBJECT] and not just punching This is literally exactly how I feel. I'm actually really bummed out. I thought S2 was worlds better.
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achillesforever6 posted:Here's one that is less nice It's not worse than Iron Fist, but it does drag out of the gate, which is odd. Black Scarf Daredevil seemed like a good sign, but It's front-loaded with a lot of the Netflix MCU stuff I hate. Like, I do not get their obsession with cops and FBI agents when they're so, soooo bad at writing them. Luckily it picks up in episodes 3-6, so I'm hopeful for the back half of the season. The fight that they said would top the hallway fight doesn't (it's fine but it's below season 1's hallway fight, season 2's hallway/stairwell fight and season 2's Punisher prison fight), but there's a really tense and entertaining fight in episode 6.
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Cythereal posted:Personally, I'm wondering if it's not Marvel's netflix division only being handed enough money to do four series. Punisher wasn't originally planned, and did much better than Iron Fist. So perhaps Iron Fist has been axed to keep Punisher going. Netflix is paying for these shows, not Marvel. BiggerBoat posted:I'm cool with bringing Danny over to Luke Cage and doing Heroes for Hire but please recast Finn if you do it but the better move if you need another Defender is Moon Knight. Iron Fist is just fundamentally not “grounded” in the same sense as the other Netflix Marvel properties, even if the character has tended to be portrayed as a street-level hero in the comics. That Marvel insisted on a more grounded approach is probably why they couldn’t find a showrunner more competent than Scott Buck in the first place. Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Oct 13, 2018 |
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