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Pakled posted:Another tweet pointed out this beside the fact that the current draft of the bill eliminates a tax break for teachers buying school supplies for their students. They eliminate a measly $250.00 tax credit for teachers for this poo poo. My wife is a teacher and I have been doing our taxes for the last 20 years. The least she has ever spent on her students in a year is $1250.00 and that was because she was on sabbatical for half of the year. Eat the loving rich! 
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I dunno that more women would come forward in Franken’s case. It seems like the usual flow of these is that the man denies the claims and calls the woman a liar so other women come forward to back up the original accuser. Unless he turns out to be a serial abuser rather than an apologetic gently caress up, there’s less of a record to set straight here. There may be other incidents we’ll never hear about now that we would have if he denied it. I didn’t follow Louis CK and Spacey after the initial accusation and apology though, so I’m not sure how those panned out in terms of people coming forward, but they apparently did their poo poo repeatedly. Honestly, I see where it makes sense to have Franken resign, though with how mild this is compared to Moore’s poo poo (and the accepted apology), it wouldn’t surprise me if right wing news took a resignation as an invitation to wildly speculate on there being something far worst in order to keep the false equivalency going. They’ve shown they’re not going to willingly cede the moral high ground no matter how bad poo poo gets if they’re still harping on motherfucking Bill and Hillary Clinton and refer to the Trump pussygrabbing access Hollywood tape as “The Billy Bush Tape”. The average person who doesn’t pay much attention to the news but hears a name they recognize was outted for sexual harassment of some kind would probably be there too, depending how detailed the late night comedy circuit gets on it, which probably wouldn’t be much since how do you even joke about that poo poo. Just not sure it actually benefits the Democrats beyond being a purity test. I wouldn’t think Franken would go for re-election either way since that picture’s getting plastered everywhere if he did, so maybe resignation gives the next senator incumbent advantage. If this flips you from Democrat to Republican in the face of Trump and Moore, then you were really a Republican already.
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Gort posted:You know if he steps down he gets replaced by a Democrat, right? There is no downside to him resigning. That's not necessarily true; Democrats aren't perfectly fungible. We could end up with Manchin II depending on who the governor appoints. Retro42 posted:Let me preface everything I'm about to say with a statement that I'm not ignoring the harassment or anything like that. Simply building my post around the political arguement. I'll take this a step farther. After South Africa ended apartheid, part of that was having the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Everyone who committed crimes under apartheid had to fess up -- but in return, a lot of them got forgiveness. I don't think it's overblown to compare the scale of the two problems. Society needs to change and it needs to change now. But for the same reasons South Africa had the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, at some point it would probably be a good idea to allow some space for forgiveness and pardon, too. Franken gave a detailed and, as far as anyone can tell, sincere apology, asked for an investigation of himself, and the victim has accepted his apology. That . . . seems like it might be a good place to start. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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BootStrap posted:They eliminate a measly $250.00 tax credit for teachers for this poo poo. My wife is also a teacher and we're gonna get hosed by this too.
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Just for fun, I decided to run some numbers - currently, there are 12 male Democratic senators in States with Republican governors, and 7 male Republican senators in States with Democratic governors. If you include senators of both genders, the gap is 21-7 for the GOP.
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Gort posted:You know if he steps down he gets replaced by a Democrat, right? There is no downside to him resigning. On the upside if he steps down. The Democrat that replaces him will have time to establish. As opposed to Franken going to the next election with this over his head.
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Dejawesp posted:On the upside if he steps down. The Democrat that replaces him will have time to establish. As opposed to Franken going to the next election with this over his head. I thought I saw an interview with him where he said this was his last term, so that point might be moot. I'll see if I can dig it up.
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Day 2, and Al Franken should still resign.Admiral Bosch posted:this thread: “I’m going to use my cynicism as an excuse to not get involved in politics!”
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Democrazy posted:Day 2, and Al Franken should still resign. Politics made me cynical 
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lol, Orrin Hatch "I've been here 30 years working for people who don't have a chance..." FUUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOU Senior Soundbyte.
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...So how many years until we get Taiwanese Parliament style fist fights in the Senate? My money is on...Uh...1.
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BootStrap posted:They eliminate a measly $250.00 tax credit for teachers for this poo poo. More than $250 of educator expenses can be deducted, but that requires itemizing deductions instead of taking the standard deduction, which I'm guessing most teachers don't do unless they are married to someone with significantly higher income.
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AceOfFlames posted:...So how many years until we get Taiwanese Parliament style fist fights in the Senate? Fistfights in the senate are very American. It's traditional. Just because it hasn't happened in a while doesn't mean it won't happen again.
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AceOfFlames posted:...So how many years until we get Taiwanese Parliament style fist fights in the Senate? This has historical precedent in the US. If anything it'd be a return to form.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's not necessarily true; Democrats aren't perfectly fungible. We could end up with Manchin II depending on who the governor appoints. OK, but replacing a senator who is confirmed to have a sexual assault scandal with one who is not ought to be a win. Gort fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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AceOfFlames posted:...So how many years until we get Taiwanese Parliament style fist fights in the Senate? But will it be before or after Moore pulls a gun on someone.
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AceOfFlames posted:...So how many years until we get Taiwanese Parliament style fist fights in the Senate? -161 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner quote:The Caning of Charles Sumner, or the Brooks–Sumner Affair, occurred on May 22, 1856, in the United States Senate when Representative Preston Brooks (D-SC) attacked Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA), an abolitionist, with a walking cane in retaliation for a speech given by Sumner two days earlier in which he fiercely criticized slaveholders including a relative of Brooks. The beating nearly killed Sumner quote:On the afternoon of May 22, Brooks entered the Senate chamber with Keitt and another ally, Congressman Henry A. Edmundson. They waited for the galleries to clear, especially concerned that there be no ladies present to witness what Brooks intended to do. He confronted Sumner as he sat writing at his desk in the almost empty Senate chamber. "Mr. Sumner, I have read your speech twice over carefully. It is a libel on South Carolina, and Mr. Butler, who is a relative of mine," Brooks calmly announced in a low voice. As Sumner began to stand up, Brooks beat Sumner severely on the head before he could reach his feet, using a thick gutta-percha cane with a gold head. The force of the blows so shocked Sumner that he lost his sight immediately. "I no longer saw my assailant, nor any other person or object in the room. What I did afterwards was done almost unconsciously, acting under the instincts of self-defense," he recalled later. axeil fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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That wasn't really a fist fight. The dude got ambushed and beaten while the attacker's friends blocked him from running.
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Inferior Third Season posted:It's an above-the-line deduction, not a tax credit. So for most teachers, that translates into either $37.50 or $62.50 of actual money, depending on if their last dollar of taxable income is in the 15% or 25% tax bracket. Are you sure? I am almost positive that the maximum deduction is $250.00, we have always itemized because we have no kids and have fairly numerous charitable deductions and the most I have ever see is $250.00. The IRS posted:
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Radish posted:That wasn't really a fist fight. The dude got ambushed and beaten while the attacker's friends blocked him from running. True, but I can see current Southern GOP Senators seeing Brooks as a hero despite being an attempted murderer.
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Radish posted:That wasn't really a fist fight. The dude got ambushed and beaten while the attacker's friends blocked him from running. Also: why the gently caress didn't all those involved go straight to loving prison or the gallows?
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AceOfFlames posted:...So how many years until we get Taiwanese Parliament style fist fights in the Senate? In the future the "nuclear option" will be a lot more literal
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Donny touched the poop. He always touches the poop.
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PT6A posted:Also: why the gently caress didn't all those involved go straight to loving prison or the gallows? There almost was a duel over it but Brooks backed out because he's a coward. Then he challenged someone else to a duel. He was a regular Sean Hannity. Oh and the South was full of victim-blamers back then too. And he did get expelled from the House and then re-elected. quote:Representative Anson Burlingame publicly humiliated Brooks by goading him into challenging Burlingame to a duel, only to set conditions designed to intimidate Brooks into backing down. (As the challenged party, Burlingame, who was a crack shot, had the choice of weapons and dueling ground. He selected rifles on the Canada side of Niagara Falls, where U.S. anti-dueling laws would not apply. Brooks withdrew his challenge, claiming that he did not want to expose himself to the risk of violence by traveling through northern states to get to Niagara Falls.)
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Most gop senators would break a hip if they stood up too fast. Rand paul has already shown he has a glass everything.
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Crow Jane posted:If we manage to survive this, the Drunk History segments about this time period are going to be insane We shouldn't have to wait. Drunk News is the spinoff we deserve.
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PT6A posted:Also: why the gently caress didn't all those involved go straight to loving prison or the gallows? Our Great Great Grandparents : "Nothing Matters"
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hiddenmovement posted:Our Great Great Grandparents : "Nothing Matters" Yep. When people talk about how polarized things are today and how it's never happened before, you just need to look back at the 1850s and see how bad poo poo got. And the 1850s had one of the worst presidents of all time who did nothing to keep things from spiraling out of control just like today! (although, I'd argue nothing could've been done because white Southerners were a bunch of insane pieces of poo poo). Civil War 2 is gonna happen in our lifetimes if things don't improve.
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Goon Danton posted:We shouldn't have to wait. Drunk News is the spinoff we deserve. Will there still be awesome low-budget reenactments?
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axeil posted:True, but I can see current Southern GOP Senators seeing Brooks as a hero despite being an attempted murderer. Dana Loesch: Democrats have been violently attacking Republicans for centuries. It must be stopped with GUNS.
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Crow Jane posted:If we manage to survive this, the Drunk History segments about this time period are going to be insane The dollop is releasing a history of trump episode in the style of their other history segments and that seems amazing.
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Crow Jane posted:Will there still be awesome low-budget reenactments? Ken Burns Presents: The Piss Tape, an 11 part documentary series.
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Slugworth posted:Even if arrested for an outstanding warrant, surely all this bullshit with the sheriff on Twitter would.... I dunno, invalidate the arrest? I don't law very well. General rule of thumb is that if you have a warrant out for your arrest you generally should avoid calling attention to yourself
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The dollop is releasing a history of trump episode in the style of their other history segments and that seems amazing. Its already out 
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Via WaPoquote:The text messages that threatened Usry [who was quoted in the Roy Moore Mallrats story] with a defamation lawsuit came from a phone number that was created on Tuesday, used to send seven texts, and was then shut down Wednesday after inquiries from a Post reporter, according to Bandwidth.com, a North Carolina company that generates temporary phone numbers for apps such as Burner. 
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Paracaidas posted:Via WaPo Wow, Bandwidth's customer service is incredibly responsive to take down a number like that in a single day. They should get an award.
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axeil posted:Ken Burns Presents: The Piss Tape, an 11 part documentary series. Wonder what kind of swag they'd give out for that during pledge drives
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