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For some reason in regards to the Nemi boats, I just picture Caligula having this conversation with one of his Praetorians.
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Jack2142 posted:For some reason in regards to the Nemi boats, I just picture Caligula having this conversation with one of his Praetorians. And now I feel like the praetorians sometimes were less power-hungry and more "welp enough of this poo poo"
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Nov 7, 2016 04:36
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CommonShore posted:Because the best way to impress the leaders of Egypt and Syracuse is to build two ships on a lake far away from Syracuse and Egypt. But only if you do it like a century/three centuries after the last of them.
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Nov 7, 2016 08:38
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Maybe he was trying to impress himself. Like as a self confidence boost.
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Nov 7, 2016 09:41
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CommonShore posted:Because the best way to impress the leaders of Egypt and Syracuse is to build two ships on a lake far away from Syracuse and Egypt. We've all done it at some point or another
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Nov 7, 2016 17:56
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FreudianSlippers posted:Maybe he was trying to impress himself. Like as a self confidence boost. He just wanted a cool P. Diddy style party boat, so he can get all those noble ladies nice and tipsy topside, and then take them to a nice comfortable place below deck, where they can't refuse, because of the implication.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:35
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Caligula emulating Hellenistic rulers' superships makes sense to me, the Roman Emperors were always comparing themselves to Alexander and his successors. Caligula wanting 2 big ol boats to put the Ptolemies puny single tesserakonteres to shame is totally in character.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:26
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Ithle01 posted:Please tell me there are more of these. yeah, sorry i forgot to answer: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3689737&userid=191162&perpage=40&pagenumber=15#post465371417
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Nov 8, 2016 23:48
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So who wants to talk about Crassus? 
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Nov 9, 2016 11:20
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:So who wants to talk about Crassus? well everything seems okay except presidents don't personally lead armies so not sure how he's going to end up covered in molten gold in syria
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Nov 9, 2016 12:53
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Freak Whitehouse redecorating accident.
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Nov 9, 2016 13:14
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I'm left thinking a lot about the decay of Han Dynasty state controls on the accumulation of wealth and power by the great aristocracy, and how it led to the general immiseration of everybody who wasn't part of that aristocracy and the collapse of the state over a period of about 100 years. And how clearly that parallels the Latifundia & collapse of the Roman Republic or the French aristocracy and the collapse of the French Empire. Is it possible that World War II saved democracy from the gilded age?
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Nov 9, 2016 13:34
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Historical allegory bombardment commencing, fallen empires locked in. Got eyes on some sweet rear end juxtapositions.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:37
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Friendly Humour posted:Historical allegory bombardment commencing, fallen empires locked in. Got eyes on some sweet rear end juxtapositions. Trump's bumbast brings to mind the late Roman emperor Caracalla, who famously built a luxurious palace and enjoyed popular fame more than was befitting a politician
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Nov 9, 2016 15:01
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Friendly Humour posted:Historical allegory bombardment commencing, fallen empires locked in. Got eyes on some sweet rear end juxtapositions.
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Nov 9, 2016 15:03
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HEY GAL posted:as a 30yw historian, i am rolling in opportunities right now Next 8 years are gonna be fuckin sweet.
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Nov 9, 2016 15:06
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Friendly Humour posted:Next 8 years are gonna be fuckin sweet. So will the remaining 22
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Nov 9, 2016 15:20
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Half of all Germans died iirc.
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Nov 9, 2016 15:26
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I'm gonna allow this but if it strays into poo poo and trolling I'll bring the hammer down because I have no chill about anything right now.
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Nov 9, 2016 15:33
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do you think Trump is going to revive proscription lists, and who will be on them?
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Nov 9, 2016 15:57
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Grand Fromage posted:I'm gonna allow this but if it strays into poo poo and trolling I'll bring the hammer down because I have no chill about anything right now. Our Dear OP says this from the grips of a ~communist country~. Joking aside, and whatever your politics, the election followed many of the classic paths to power of demagogues in ancient history. Are there historical examples of demagogues who did not become tyrants? I'm using the classical definitions of these terms, btw: not the CNN/Fox definitions.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:02
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Ynglaur posted:Our Dear OP says this from the grips of a ~communist country~. The ones that got clubbed to death with chair legs by Senatorial mobs?
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Nov 9, 2016 16:07
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The least tyrannical demagogue I can think of offhand is Andrew Jackson and he committed literal genocide so
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Nov 9, 2016 16:07
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Jamwad Hilder posted:do you think Trump is going to revive proscription lists, and who will be on them? The auguries are positive.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:27
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Grand Fromage posted:The least tyrannical demagogue I can think of offhand is Andrew Jackson and he committed literal genocide so He also personally murdered up to a hundred people he disagreed with. Really the only untyrannical part was that he chose to do it himself.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:46
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Friendly Humour posted:Half of all Germans died iirc.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:33
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Sorry, I was thinking of men. As per usual. Sexy dead german men. Or am I remembering it wrong again?
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Nov 9, 2016 18:41
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CoolCab posted:He also personally murdered up to a hundred people he disagreed with. Really the only untyrannical part was that he chose to do it himself. Wait, what?
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Nov 9, 2016 18:42
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*in pontifex voice* Hey guys turns out yesterday was an unlucky day so the election never happened
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Nov 9, 2016 19:10
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Friendly Humour posted:Wait, what? he fought a lot of duels
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Nov 9, 2016 19:28
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Friendly Humour posted:Sorry, I was thinking of men. As per usual. Sexy dead german men.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:30
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Grand Fromage posted:The least tyrannical demagogue I can think of offhand is Andrew Jackson and he committed literal genocide so This election is like that one in terms of antiestablishment populist anger ushering in an enormous rear end in a top hat, except back then you didn't have Cherokee friends on facebook saying "wtf, please don't do this."
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Nov 9, 2016 19:58
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I didn't mean Donald Trump is a tyrant or whatever, it's just in the long term I think elites accumulating wealth and power (at the expense of everyone else) is a feature of states in decline. Right? Can history get behind that as a real trend in the long term?
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Nov 9, 2016 22:14
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Jackson is also one of the first justifications for the electoral college, because it kept the homicidal maniac out of power even though he won the popular vote. Except he won the next election anyways, so it's all moot.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:27
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Arglebargle III posted:I didn't mean Donald Trump is a tyrant or whatever, it's just in the long term I think elites accumulating wealth and power (at the expense of everyone else) is a feature of states in decline. "Elites accumulating wealth and power" id a feature of states period. Really it's a feature of human civilization in general.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:38
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Hmm, then instead say elites accumulating wealth and power at the expense of the state is a sign of a state in decline? I think that's a much clearer relationship.
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Nov 9, 2016 23:49
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go back to dd
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Nov 9, 2016 23:58
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there is no such thing as a state in "decline" or in "ascendance;" both are too teleological. it's the 21st century and Spengler is dead.
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Nov 10, 2016 00:03
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That's an interesting perspective. So you take the Western Roman Empire in the year 400. You can't point to that as a state in decline?
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Arglebargle III posted:That's an interesting perspective. So you take the Western Roman Empire in the year 400. You can't point to that as a state in decline? In the year 400, the Western Empire was still doing pretty ok, and there was plenty of indication that the whole thing might reunify and even expand again.
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