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Jessica Drew has never really ever been unpopular. Like, I dunno where you guys are getting that from. And with Marvel having control of the spider franchise, at least partially, outside of the comics again, having all those characters distinct and recognizable is important. Hawkeye is a relatively minor character in comparison to Spider-man and his related characters, and even then, I guarantee to you that if Kate Bishop showed up in the movieverse, Clint would either retire or she'd get a new name.
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Wow that titles been passed around a bunch huh Okay well then go ahead and take it Gwen
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Nodosaur posted:Jessica Drew has never really ever been unpopular. Like, I dunno where you guys are getting that from. And with Marvel having control of the spider franchise, at least partially, outside of the comics again, having all those characters distinct and recognizable is important. Hasn't Spider-Gwen appeared in more media than Jessica Drew despite being around for a fraction of the time? It seems like a safe bet that Gwen is more popular than Drew at this point, and is probably more popular than Drew ever was if not at least on her way to being more popular. poo poo, the Spider-Woman that appeared in cartoons in the 90s was Carpenter, not Drew, and it was Carpenter's design that ended up being used for the symbiote suit and Venom. This isn't to knock Drew as a character but cmon man if you go to the average Marvel fan and mentioned Jessica Drew, they are probably more likely to think you are talking about the alcoholic Netflix hero than know who you actually meant at this point.
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May 24, 2018 01:55
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I really don't understand what the issue here is. Gwen isn't really making a statement at all by using the name Spider-Woman, unlike Miles being Spider-man just like Peter. This name allows both characters to be used without bumping into each other or jockeying for position. There is literally no harm to this whatsoever, other than Gwen getting the less famous name. And honestly, most people seem to be unaware she even called herself Spider-woman. She's Spider-Gwen to most folks, which is frankly a terrible superhero name.
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May 24, 2018 02:19
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Nodosaur posted:Jessica Drew has never really ever been unpopular. Like, I dunno where you guys are getting that from. I guarantee 99% of readers in the 90s couldn't have told you who the gently caress Jessica Drew is, and she remained a forgotten character on the level of The Shroud until Bendis brought her back into the limelight.
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May 24, 2018 02:22
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ToastyPotato posted:They seem to keep wanting to leave that name open because they keep trying to make the other Spider-Women characters a thing and it never ever seems to stick. Spider-Gwen was the perfect opportunity to have the Spider-Woman name stick to a character that was actually being well received but WELP. Gwen’s not that well received, her comics are bad.
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May 24, 2018 02:25
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Nodosaur posted:Jessica Drew has never really ever been unpopular. Like, I dunno where you guys are getting that from. And with Marvel having control of the spider franchise, at least partially, outside of the comics again, having all those characters distinct and recognizable is important. Yeah that's why I'm enjoying the spider woman ongoing comic book series right now. Oh wait... it was cancelled without fanfare over a year ago.
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May 24, 2018 06:15
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im going to call her ghost spider because thats a loving rad name
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May 24, 2018 12:58
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fractalairduct posted:im going to call her ghost spider because thats a loving rad name Yeah I actually hated Spider-Gwen, Ghost Spider is awesome.
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May 24, 2018 14:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwG0bd7O0Fs Trailer for Amazon's Winding-Refn show that Ed Brubaker wrote. Some of those shots look Sean Phillips as hell. No one writes better crime comics than Brubaker, I'm excited to see what he can do with a TV show.
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May 24, 2018 16:17
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zoux posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwG0bd7O0Fs Looks great but man it's exhausting to see these trailers try to give away the entire product just by being overlong
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May 24, 2018 19:23
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ToastyPotato posted:Well there's only been one and it was kind of bleh. I mean, I sure wouldn't mind exploring the world a bit and taking liberties here or there to expand the scope of the original story, but when the show runner is going out of his way to basically say this is Watchmen in name only it kind of defeats the purpose. It shows a severe lack in creativity, imo. Just make a new IP inspired by Watchmen for a new generation, instead of this weird thing where everyone pretends that Watchmen is this holy text and they are gonna be true to the original but it's gonna be new and different, but there will also be some recognizable stuff from the original PLEASE GOD WATCH IT. In all fairness this pretty much describes Fargo and it was one of the best shows of the last decade. Coincidentally, the best show currently airing is by the same dude and also a comic book adaptation.
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May 24, 2018 22:38
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Danger posted:In all fairness this pretty much describes Fargo and it was one of the best shows of the last decade. Coincidentally, the best show currently airing is by the same dude and also a comic book adaptation. What show are you talking about?
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May 24, 2018 22:45
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Legion.
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Skwirl posted:What show are you talking about? The only comic book show by the creator of Fargo that I known of?
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I think they were making a joke about the quality of Legion, guys. E: oh, huh Arist fucked around with this message at 23:02 on May 24, 2018 |
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May 24, 2018 22:54
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Danger posted:The only comic book show by the creator of Fargo that I known of? I thought you were saying Damon Lindelof was the creator of the best show currently on television and he's not the creator of any shows currently on television, which is my own reading comprehension failure. But you could also just name the show since you apparently love it so much instead of being cryptic. Aphrodite posted:Legion. Thank you.
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May 24, 2018 22:57
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Danger posted:In all fairness this pretty much describes Fargo and it was one of the best shows of the last decade. Coincidentally, the best show currently airing is by the same dude and also a comic book adaptation. I don't think Fargo and Watchmen are kind of comparable though. Watchmen is frequently heralded as a legendary piece of comic history that was such a big deal DC still isn't letting it go. It just comes off as lazy to me and trying to cash in on the Watchmen name. I dunno, we'll see how it goes. The funny thing is, a modern take that goes to new places with new characters is undeniably a very good idea. I would just rather they didn't saddle it with bits and pieces of the original story just so that they could call it Watchmen. There's so much horrible poo poo going on in the world that a deep look at current events through the lens of a superhero show could be phenomenal, especially if it is being inspired in tone by Watchmen. I just hope it actually has something to say instead of being a weak, wet noodle cash grab.
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The problem to a degree is that if you use elements of it and don't call it Watchmen, people are just going to call it a Watchmen ripoff. If you call it Watchmen but don't tell the Watchmen story, people are going to call it a cop out and "not a true adaptation." It's a catch-22. Lindelof decided to take the avenue of name recognition because the last show he did was incredible but was only able to get three seasons out of the kindness of HBO execs hearts. The Leftovers was exceptional but the ratings sucked hard. At least this way, he'll get a certain number of people who will watch simply because it's Watchmen. It's lovely but people hate new things. While we're talking about Legion, can we talk about how hard Navid Negahban is knocking it out of the park as Farouk? He's so loving insanely good at the role and I would pay money for a show that was simply Farouk and Oliver's travels across America while they politely antagonize each other.
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May 24, 2018 23:25
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Posted this elsewhere too, but the first reviews for Cloak and Dagger are good. Of course, so were Runaways...
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May 24, 2018 23:29
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RevKrule posted:While we're talking about Legion, can we talk about how hard Navid Negahban is knocking it out of the park as Farouk? He's so loving insanely good at the role and I would pay money for a show that was simply Farouk and Oliver's travels across America while they politely antagonize each other. He is amazing.
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May 24, 2018 23:45
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RevKrule posted:The problem to a degree is that if you use elements of it and don't call it Watchmen, people are just going to call it a Watchmen ripoff. If you call it Watchmen but don't tell the Watchmen story, people are going to call it a cop out and "not a true adaptation." It's a catch-22. The rip off claims would only happen if A: a different company were doing it, and B: They didn't acknowledge their inspiration and tried to pass it off as totally original. And doing it this way just opens the door for people hating on the show for being unfaithful, which will generate more bad press than people saying WB/DC somehow ripped itself off. It will also be way harder to mitigate, because like I said, the other way all you have to do is pay lip service to the other franchise you already own. You could even market it as being "from the people who produced Watchmen" since that is very easy to make true.
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zoux posted:Posted this elsewhere too, but the first reviews for Cloak and Dagger are good. Of course, so were Runaways...
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I would wager that the relationship between Moore and DC means they'd get those ripoff claims anyway. Nerds don't think of DC owning Watchmen, they think of them as stealing it from Moore.
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I keep hoping that DC will do a Charlton characters that's a real gently caress you to those types of Watchmen fans.
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Aphrodite posted:I would wager that the relationship between Moore and DC means they'd get those ripoff claims anyway. Nerds don't think of DC owning Watchmen, they think of them as stealing it from Moore. I think the people who hate DC for screwing Moore are an unbelievably small group of people as evidenced by the fact that DC has continuously pumped out new Watchmen stuff for like the last few years or more without incident, compared to the loud wailing and gnashing of teeth I see aimed at Marvel from bigoted nerds.
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May 25, 2018 00:14
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ToastyPotato posted:I think the people who hate DC for screwing Moore are an unbelievably small group of people as evidenced by the fact that DC has continuously pumped out new Watchmen stuff for like the last few years or more without incident, compared to the loud wailing and gnashing of teeth I see aimed at Marvel from bigoted nerds. Right so if only an unbelievably small group would complain about using the name go ahead and do it.
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Aphrodite posted:I would wager that the relationship between Moore and DC means they'd get those ripoff claims anyway. Nerds don't think of DC owning Watchmen, they think of them as stealing it from Moore. Because they did.
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Aphrodite posted:Right so if only an unbelievably small group would complain about using the name go ahead and do it. I think there are plenty of people who like Watchmen that don't care about what happened to Moore. Hence why DC has been milking Watchmen for so many years.
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ToastyPotato posted:I think the people who hate DC for screwing Moore are an unbelievably small group of people as evidenced by the fact that DC has continuously pumped out new Watchmen stuff for like the last few years or more without incident, compared to the loud wailing and gnashing of teeth I see aimed at Marvel from bigoted nerds. You could even  and say that DC used bigot nerds' rage over Marvel to integrate Watchmen into the general universe under the radar and by the time people got around to reacting, they were already outrage'd out.
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BrianWilly posted:I can't wait for one of them to disintegrate at the end of the first episode! That would loving rule if that happened at the end of the season.
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May 25, 2018 00:23
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Skwirl posted:Because they did. Can't steal what's already stolen!
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It is dumb that of all Moore adaptations to milk for prestige television they wouldn’t do From Hell, inarguably his best work.
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Danger posted:It is dumb that of all Moore adaptations to milk for prestige television they wouldn’t do From Hell, inarguably his best work. I think he controls the rights on that one and after the poo poo film a show ain't happening.
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anyone doing an adaptation of from hell would invariably rip out all the religious stuff to appeal to the whites which would ruin it anyways
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site posted:anyone doing an adaptation of from hell would invariably rip out all the religious stuff to appeal to the whites which would ruin it anyways They'd turn it into a police procedural. They super would.
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lol yeah itd probably end up like lucifer
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May 25, 2018 01:55
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The funniest terrible part of the From Hell movie is how they turned a real person (Inspector Fred Abberline) into a drug addicted psychic. Also with the psychic part you could tell that someone didn't actually read the comic and just saw a summary since they saw that the book had a psychic character but missed the part where he admits at the end that he faked the entire thing.
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May 25, 2018 01:58
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i would love to see the final episode where after he commits the final murder, gull has another stroke and ends up in an asylum where, while a dr and nurse gently caress next to his drooling empty shell of a body, he travels through time as a floating head to voyeur on future murderers
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