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I'm going to come to the defense of Virion here. Despite his laughable Res, Virion's humongous HP pool and a passable Spd actually make him fantastic mage-bait. Especially if you have a pocket healer, as he'll usually have so little health left that Rehabilitate pops him back to full life. In fact, he baits most mages and kills them on player phase; Fury 3 (or just a +Spd IV) lets him handle Bride Caeda, Celica and Nino (with no buffs), while Life and Death 3 lets him win out against Tharja, Linde and BLucina, although you lose the matchups against Cecilia and Olwen in turn. It doesn't mean he's perfect, as Reinhardt always demolishes him, as does any -blade tome with some buffs. He's arguably better off with Seal Def rather than Seal Spd, but Seal Spd is serviceable enough. It doesn't necessarily mean he's good, as most mages with skill inheritance will happily go back to dismantling him in short order. But he's a lot better than 'instant dumpster fire tier'. ApplesandOranges fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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Roger Explosion posted:I had two extra Hectors thanks to that banner a while ago (still no loving Ryoma though) and Eirika got one and Zephiel got the other. I like playing to a character's strength, so I was thinking of icing my Celica to give Sheena Distant Defense. I have red mages covered with Tharja, Cav team Leo and a Sanaki that's been sitting around doing nothing for ages, so I don't feel bad doing so. Triangle Adept 3 is also being considered because she aint killing reds anyway. I've been doing the same thing, for the same reason, and was even going to merge my extra 4* Sheena into my decent-ish one to make learning skills less painful. My "good" one is +atk/-spd. My somewhat lazy plan for her A slot was to just slap Def +3 in there and call it a day. She has turned out surprisingly well. I think even if I do eventually roll a Hector, she'll stay on the armor team, making it Effie, Zephiel, Hector, and Sheena. Right now I'm using a second Effie for the 4th.
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In tier 16 of arena now, was going with an almost deathless run (1 match where my hector had to carry the team) and on the last match a cheesecake flier team loving rolled me. God drat the cheesey loving mechanics of this game.
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Pages late, but I use Eirika AND a dancer 
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:Pages late, but I use Eirika AND a dancer Me too! My win everything team has been Nino/Olivia/Eirika/Reinhardt for weeks now. Eirika is mostly there as a buffbot and a wall to protect her squishier friends. I've been trying to get an Azura but no luck, though Olivia is my Hector killer so I'm not really in dire trouble. Ranking to 17 this week I think 
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Andrast posted:and then a wings of mercy dancer fucks your day up What "should" I be using on FCorrin that would solve WoM dancers, in your opinion? I tend to answer them with Julia (ORKOs + Reposition, or put Dark Breath on Olivia so that Celica can double her. Basically I don't think FCorrin's B slot can solve WoM dancers. Yes you have to be intelligent about baiting melee units around WoM... that doesn't mean seal res doesn't help end fights faster when baiting is a good answer.
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:Pages late, but I use Eirika AND a dancer Yeah, same here. Eirika, Nino, and Ninian are my best girls. While I'm here, the Triangle banner is going away soon, so I scraped together enough Orbs to pull from it one last time. Since I was out to lunch with my husband, I handed him the phone and told him to do the summon. Result:  Cecilia was the last piece I needed for a proper Horse Emblem team, and she's a good nature to boot! (+Atk/-HP) I am happy. Now I can start saving Orbs for the next banner!
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Ostentatious posted:-atk Seliph is the absolute worst -ATK Fae must at least be in the quarter finals for that contest.
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Snipee posted:-ATK Fae must at least be in the quarter finals for that contest. The winner is +ATK Odin because he's still not killing anything.
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God drat it I get a 5* lance Cordelia and she's +HP -Spd. The one I had before was +Def -Atk. Screw it at least I have a free brave lance+ to give to somebody. But hey that roll gave me -HP +Res Azura so can't really complain.
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So, for my +atk Cecilia, is something like Death Blow still preferred for her A skill (assuming Gronnblade and Hone/Fortify Cav buffs)? I thought maybe Darting Blow would help her double things, but if she's not doubling poo poo even with Cav buffs then I'll go for more power. (I ask partly because I have plenty of sources of Darting Blow lying around and almost no Death Blow.)
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Death Blow gives you the most bang for your buck, but if you don't have that then either Fury or even her default Attack 3 will do.
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I'd say it depends on the rest of your team. If you have a fortify cavalry and goad cavalry that's 10 more speed for 35 on neutral which doesn't really need more. With only Fortify that's 31 which could indeed use darting blow at least in the meantime. Her natural attack plus is pretty good though.
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just pulled a +spd -hp bride lyn. what's a good build for her? also, how do you level healers without wanting to die
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use them to heal your other characters that you're grinding. It's not like they're a time limit to level healers up.
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Kyte posted:I'd say it depends on the rest of your team. If you have a fortify cavalry and goad cavalry that's 10 more speed for 35 on neutral which doesn't really need more. She'll have Abel and Xander attached to her at the hip, who are the Hone/Fortify Cav bots of the bunch, and Reinhardt has or will have Goad Cavalry. I'll stick the Atk+3 on her for now. I have scant sources of Death Blow. As it is I'm going to sacrifice one of my Ursulas to Reinhardt, and even that will only get him DB2.
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could a fury/vantage nowi work too or does it have to be ta, and what kinds of iv loadouts am i looking for? i have a +spd/-def and a -spd/+def note that i'm not looking for a SORD LORD killer, i have plenty of that. v great thanks 
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The White Dragon posted:could a fury/vantage nowi work too or does it have to be ta, and what kinds of iv loadouts am i looking for? i have a +spd/-def and a -spd/+def
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Say your prayers, it's time for the rundown on Clerics! Back to the start of my living nightmare. Healers are a massively underappreciated class - while very few stack up well in the arena, they're among the best utility supports outside of it. Capable of patching your troops up from the brink of death, clerics keep your early game war machine running and remain an essential part of your unit training toolbox afterwards. Y'all are gonna sit through my lecture on their usefulness, so get comfy. Clerics have a few oddities you should be aware of. Firstly, the damage from their staffs is reduced by half (rounded down), following the formula (atk-res)/2. This means that unless they have the Wrathful Staff skill, they are almost useless for killing enemies. Secondly, their healing power is not tied to attack - most clerics are actually better off with a -atk nature. Lastly, their skills lineup is different, with an attack skill (that is never pre-learned at level one) fully unlocked at 3*, a class exclusive healing assist skill fully unlocked at 4*, an often (but not always) exclusive special fully unlocked at 3*, and an A, B or C skill fully unlocked at 5*. This means that you can get pretty much everything you need from the class without upgrading to 5*, as even the class-exclusive skills are good enough at level 2 for the job they do. Cleric's attack skills all stem from Assault, a flat-10 damage 2 range skill. The subsequent skills all have lower attack, and cause a variety of debuffs and weird poo poo to happen to the target. I'll cover those as they come up. Cleric heals start with the basic 5hp Heal, then split into two trees: Mend (10hp) followed by Physic (8hp, 2 range) or Recover (15hp); and Reconcile (7hp to both cleric and target) followed by Martyr (7hp + amount of damage cleric has taken, heals cleric for 50% of the damage they've taken) or Rehabilitate (7hp+ bonus based on amount target is below 50% hp). Of these, Rehabilitate is considered to be the best, followed by Recover. Note that all of the higher level heals bar Physic slow the special cooldown. For specials, all clerics get Imbue (+10hp to healing), usually followed by a Balm skill providing a +4 buff to the whole team (save the healer) in one stat, with the +atk and +spd varieties preferred over the +def (eh) and +res (bad). One character gets Heavenly Light, healing the cleric's other allies when healing. Miracle is present on two clerics, but unlike the others is not class exclusive. Clerics cannot learn most other specials (so no giving Iceberg to Wrys). There are also three cleric exclusive B-skills - Live to Serve, which heals the healer for the total amount of healing they heal, useful if you intend to use your healer to heal while getting healed themselves; Wrathful Staff, which removes the 50% attack penalty for staffs and is only on a 5* exclusive character which you probably won't get; and Dazzling Staff which prevents the enemy from countering the cleric's attack and is only on a 5* exclusive character you definitely won't get. The class does have a major downside - with their reduced damage, having them score a kill is extremely difficult. With healing providing a flat 60xp per use, training up a cleric is either a long, boring prospect, or massively resource intensive if you decide to just throw a bunch of shards at the problem. Because of this, you're best off picking one or two clerics as your favourites and smushing the best skills from the others into them. On the plus side, they get +1 SP every time they heal, so at least skills won't be much of a problem. Clerics can be divided roughly into two builds: The basic healer/support cleric, focused on providing the most healing and buffing/debuffing possible; and the attack cleric, which requires the both wrathful staff skill and for the prospective wielder to be better with it than Genny. Support clerics are generally Good out of the box, while attack clerics are a project requiring rare and unique resources. With those  out of the way, let's meet the (unspecified) God botherers. There are 14 in total, 11 infantry and 3 cavalry, and five of these meet our budget criteria. Of these, two are available from the daily freebies (Wrys and Lissa), none come from GHBs, and all are available whenever you pull on colourless orbs in the gacha (you fool!) I'll cover the budget horse cleric (Clarine) here, because unlike the mages, being on a horse doesn't really change how she functions.Azama is a bad example to start with, being an oddball in many ways. He's the best in class in both hp and def, with a mediocre spd, the second lowest res in class and the worst attack score in the game. This allows him to take on a unique role among clerics - he's actually tough enough to stand in front of mages and tank hits for them, or bait attackers away from troops with triangle disadvantage (since the AI gives high priority to hitting targets that can't fight back). With his low attack and native pain staff, he's a brilliant buddy for the training tower - he'll rarely do damage during combat, let alone kill the enemy, and the 10 post-combat damage won't reduce them below 1hp. This lets him soften up enemies for your weedy little trainees to finish off. On the downside, his build is terrible apart from his staff - although he's the only cleric able to use Martyr effectively, it's still not as good as Rehabilitate for him. Solid Earth Balm is the second worst of the balms and is just kinda there, although it syncs up nicely with his Threaten Attack. Fortunately, rebuilding clerics is relatively cheap and painless. Of all of his skills, only his Pain staff is worth inheriting. Clarine, Clarine, Clarine, Cla-riiinne, I'm begging of you please don't take my man. Ahem, sorry. Clarine is the only budget horse cleric available, and is as such very useful based on mobility alone. Aside from that, she has three distinct properties: 1) she has the most "clericky" build of the three mounted clerics, with low attack, low (though still higher than Elise) hp, decent res (though lower than the other two horse clerics), poor def (though higher than the other two again)... and very high, never-get doubled spd. 2) She's a dead ringer for Miss Piggy, and 3) her beauty is beyond compare, her golden locks of soft blonde hair, with ivory skin and eyes of emerald... brown? Alright, alright, I'll stop now. Barring the horse, she plays like a generic cleric - throw her in front of mages, hide her from melee characters and archers, and alternate between healing and softening up the enemy with her staff. Her build is almost perfect for this - her Fear staff gives its target an attack penalty for the next round and she has Swift Winds Balm, the speed boosting special. The only downside is the Martyr staff, which she shouldn't even try to use as intended. Her inheritance fodder is Swift Winds Balm, for those playing at home, although the Fear staff also has its uses. I'm glad I had this chat with you, my happiness depends on you, whatever you decide to do Clarine. ... dammit! Lissa is the most generic of the healers, and that's not a bad thing. She has third-in-class hp, second-in-class def, high res, and poor spd/atk. Lissa's statline allows her to be any type of support cleric, with her specialisation determined by her IVs. +Spd is best for the generalist build, though. She'll always be second best to another cleric at one thing, but she'll be better where they fail. Her build is also one of the best out of the box, with the coveted Rehabilitate and Kindled Fire Balm, the Atk boosting Balm. Her Renewal skill allows her to regenerate 10hp every fourth, third or second round based on it's level, although Live to Serve is generally a better B skill for clerics. As mentioned above, Kindled Fire Balm and Rehabilitate is what other healers want. Renewal is good for a lot of non-clerics, although it's available at level 3 on another 4* character. Her Gravity staff is interesting, reducing a character's movement to 1 for their next action, although it's more than a little niche. Serra is an interesting character: she has good atk, spd, and res, coupled with the standard issue crummy def... and terrible, terrible hp. She's one of a very few cases of a perfectly viable character being ruined by a lack of hp - while her res score is higher than Lissa or Azama's, she has far less survival ability than them due to her poor health. She's a good candidate for the Wrathful Staff build with a +spd or +atk boon, as her speed is much higher than Genny's. She gets Recover, which has more generalist applications than Rehabilitate and is better for keeping tanks topped up with health. Her staff is Absorb, which heals the user for half of the damage dealt and usually heals a whopping 3-6 hp a turn. She also has Swift Winds Balm. Wrys is the ur-cleric, the clericest cleric ever to cleric. He has the highest res stat in the game, his hp is second only to Azama's, his attack is second worst to Azama's among clerics, and his spd and def are both terrible. His skillset has everything a healer wants, including a couple of unique things only he has. He uses Rehabilitate, and he's the only 3* wielder of both Live to Serve and Heavenly light. That said, he has a couple of downsides. First, although he has the highest res in the game, he can't actually do anything to mages to stop them from taking the rest of your team apart limb by limb. Secondly, while he seems like a nice, likeable old fellow, there is something indefinably wrong about Wrys and this is in no way helped by his art and voice work. Use him if you like, but don't be surprised when the police take him away to help with their enquiries into... historical allegations. Wrys' entire goddamn kit is coveted by other healers, and for good reason. His staff is nice too, giving a -6 to speed, helping your other troops to double targets. You probably don't want to touch it, though. Alright, that's the clerics. You'll probably rather get these guys than most of the 4-5* lineup, to be honest. Next: Rogues!  And hopefully less words!
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Murderion posted:Wrys is the ur-cleric, the clericest cleric ever to cleric. He has the highest res stat in the game, his hp is second only to Azama's, his attack is second worst to Azama's among clerics, and his spd and def are both terrible. His skillset has everything a healer wants, including a couple of unique things only he has. He uses Rehabilitate, and he's the only 3* wielder of both Live to Serve and Heavenly light. That said, he has a couple of downsides. First, although he has the highest res in the game, he can't actually do anything to mages to stop them from taking the rest of your team apart limb by limb. Secondly, while he seems like a nice, likeable old fellow, there is something indefinably wrong about Wrys and this is in no way helped by his art and voice work. Use him if you like, but don't be surprised when the police take him away to help with their enquiries into... historical allegations. Wrys' entire goddamn kit is coveted by other healers, and for good reason. His staff is nice too, giving a -6 to speed, helping your other troops to double targets. You probably don't want to touch it, though. I am Wrys, a humble curate. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Stephen9001 posted:I am Wrys, a humble curate. Step into my rectory.
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I feel like Eirika is outmoded after the release of bride Cordelia. If I inherit rally attack/speed onto one of the more powerful swordlords I get Eirika except generating one less speed for significantly more power.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Step into my rectory. Between Wrys and the snooty noblewomen, I'm so drat relieved Azama is both good and funny. DAD COMES FOR EVERYONE!
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Serra is great even if just for her access to Hone Atk alone. Also her VA is on point.
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Serra is the best snooty noblewoman. We just need Erk to balance her out.
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Yorkshire Tea posted:I feel like Eirika is outmoded after the release of bride Cordelia. If I inherit rally attack/speed onto one of the more powerful swordlords I get Eirika except generating one less speed for significantly more power. Yeah, but Bridelia is limited edition and a 5* base character in the color with the worst poo poo-to-useable ratio of all of them. And to boot she shares focus with another Colorless, so even if you luck into a 5* colorless focus, it might be Bride Lyn and not Bridelia. I'm not even trying to get her because I just know I'll be drowning in poo poo Wryses and Nileses. Whereas Eirika is 1) not limited 2) available at 4* 3) not in a pool that's 80% utter poo poo Silver Falcon fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Yorkshire Tea posted:I feel like Eirika is outmoded after the release of bride Cordelia. If I inherit rally attack/speed onto one of the more powerful swordlords I get Eirika except generating one less speed for significantly more power.
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With her sword, a rally, a fortify, and the fortify seal, Eirika can give +13 total buffs. A buffbot without a buff sword, but with bridelia's unique rally, can get up to +12 buffs going. Without taking an action, Eirika's is +9 while Bridelia's is +6. So Eirika is the better buffer regardless, and I'm not sure throwing all the buffbot skills onto a better unit only for it to waste most of its turns buffing other people is worth it. That said, i don't have an Eirika myself 
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Tired Moritz posted:Anyone has tips for getting defence scores?
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Vortex Mode is finally coming! Masked Marth at 4*/5* as a reward too. https://twitter.com/FEHeroes_News/status/871625085517316096
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Hopefully they allow multiple tries to up your score If I don't have enough dudes at 40 for a good rank I might actually dip into my endless supply of stamina pots to level some of the less-poo poo benchwarmers
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Looks like Masked Lucina is a prize for one of the top scores. Tempest Trials look interesting.
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aw gently caress, this really is a gacha game
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Looks like Masked Lucina is a prize for one of the top scores. Apparently, she's a points prize, not a rank prize, so that's good. And there's going to be a four star version, which I suspect will be much more easily achieved. So, uh, good for the lower scorers.
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Tired Moritz posted:aw gently caress, this really is a gacha game I appreciate the people venting about this because I occasionally get tempted to splurge for another Tiki / Fae for my dream of Dragon Emblem. If Ninian shows up again though, I don't think I could stop myself.
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There's a Quickened Pulse seal too and since we haven't seen any seals without corresponding skills, we might see that on MLucina.
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Hana is going to carry me to the promised land of more heroes and stupid bullshit
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