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Does anyone make a good line of cold war/1970s Soviets in 28mm? Zona Alfa is coming out soon and I'd like to make a couple of bands for that.
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Dec 5, 2019 18:08
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So the owner of my local FLGS recommends using 1/48 vehicles with Bolt Action's 28mm infantry and guns/equipment. Is this more to scale or just look better or is it not?
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Dec 5, 2019 19:57
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Bolt Action models are ostensibly 1/56, and that's what their vehicle line is scaled to, but BA models are all big chonky guys who are probably closer to 1/48 than 1/56. This is pretty noticable on vehicle crews. The tank commanders that come with the Italeri kits sold by Warlord are "true" 1/56 and look tiny compared to Warlord's infantry. Another example is BA's SU-76. The crew are Bolt Action sized, the vehicle is 1:56. The result is that the fighting compartment is absolutely packed with just two dudes, while in real life there were 3. Fitting a third BA-scale guy in there would be totally impossible. That said, it's not noticable on the table at all. 1:56 is absolutely fine, and you will have a much easier time finding models in that scale.
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Dec 5, 2019 20:16
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I think the key is just pick one and stick with it. If you mix scales it becomes obvious pretty quickly.
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Dec 5, 2019 21:26
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Beerdeer posted:Does anyone make a good line of cold war/1970s Soviets in 28mm? Zona Alfa is coming out soon and I'd like to make a couple of bands for that. Check out Empress. They're more geared to modern, but the sculpts are the best I've seen. The vehicles are badass too. Or: https://lead-adventure.de/index.php?k=7&lang=eng That should get your stalker fix going
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Dec 5, 2019 21:44
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JcDent posted:Just in like in 40K, it sells miniatures. That's the answer, all the time, every time. OK, I hadn't seen that anecdote. They probably tried a whole corps on the table at once, running a regiment isn't nearly that bad.
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Dec 5, 2019 21:56
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Phi230 posted:So the owner of my local FLGS recommends using 1/48 vehicles with Bolt Action's 28mm infantry and guns/equipment. Is this more to scale or just look better or is it not? 1/48 looks better. In either scale case there are outliers: a 1/56 herzer is tiny where a 1/48 one looks correct. A 1/48 tiger is appropriately beefy where a panther seems a bit large. 1/48 armor kits are pretty limited, so if you're wanting to do obscure armies or specific theaters you may want to go with 1/56. If you're doing USA or Nazis 1/48 is fine. (Edit:unless you want Lee's or Grants) The other thing is that 1/56 kit are made for tabletop games but 1/48 kits are made for a display case. 1/48 kits have easily broken off bits (that I tend to leave off). They're not so fragile that they cant be used but they are much more of a challenge to put together compared to a rubicon or warlord games model. DiHK fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Dec 6, 2019 00:32
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Beerdeer posted:Does anyone make a good line of cold war/1970s Soviets in 28mm? Zona Alfa is coming out soon and I'd like to make a couple of bands for that. Paul Hicks sculpted some for Mongrel Miniatures, which are currently owned and distributed by Badger Games in the US.
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Dec 6, 2019 01:17
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Beerdeer posted:Does anyone make a good line of cold war/1970s Soviets in 28mm? Zona Alfa is coming out soon and I'd like to make a couple of bands for that. Spectre [UK] does some decent russians, but you'd probably have to knock off all the NVGs and be a bit picky with weapons. Elite Miniatures [AUS] have guys that are probably a bit too modern again, but from three feet I doubt you'll tell. Edit: oh these are just empress minis shipped from aus, whoops! Always gonna shout about Eureka Miniatures NBC soviets. 
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Dec 6, 2019 01:41
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Someone's posted their thoughts on the best factions in Team Yankee, given the rules changes in version 2. Apparently, it's probably the Iraqis. https://www.blitzminis.com/blogs/ne...5jVzXliQaUUohM4
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Dec 6, 2019 06:13
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tomdidiot posted:Someone's posted their thoughts on the best factions in Team Yankee, given the rules changes in version 2. That's so loving goofy it makes me actually want to play team yankee
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Dec 6, 2019 06:30
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tomdidiot posted:Someone's posted their thoughts on the best factions in Team Yankee, given the rules changes in version 2. I'm kinda annoyed by how some nations get super-units from the mid-90s while the Dutch and NSWP are running about with what sounds like basically nothing in the fancy department. Also come on people, the Marder 2 doesn't have tank-level protection, Military-Today is wrong and shouldn't be regarded as an authoritative source to begin with!
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Dec 6, 2019 07:22
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LatwPIAT posted:I'm kinda annoyed by how some nations get super-units from the mid-90s while the Dutch and NSWP are running about with what sounds like basically nothing in the fancy department. The Dutch got their IFV-type APCs before the British and Americans did, which is sort of saying something. Currently painting up my 4CMBG Canadians... any tips? Going by the Colours of war paint scheme seems like a reasonable start.
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Dec 6, 2019 08:37
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Always be shouting about the NBC soviets.
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Dec 6, 2019 11:01
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Need to get some NATO NBC peeps to run against them in some radioactive wasteland games.
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Dec 6, 2019 13:17
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Cassa posted:Need to get some NATO NBC peeps to run against them in some radioactive wasteland games. I think Eureka sells them as well :p
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Dec 6, 2019 13:18
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Teach me to never look at their USA stuff.
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Dec 6, 2019 13:22
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There's also Gasmask Bundeswehr
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Dec 6, 2019 13:25
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tomdidiot posted:The Dutch got their IFV-type APCs before the British and Americans did, which is sort of saying something. It can be difficult to find good pictures of Canadian vehicle colour schemes because the paint used faded quickly, which combined with dirt and dust made them all end up as dirty, green-brown blobs. Once fresh, however, they have a unique and vibrant camouflage pattern that closely resembles West German/NATO three-tone, but with light khaki tones that the mind reads as a kind of bright green. Scheme guides can be found here: M113, Grizzly, Cougar, Leopard C1 version 1, version 2, version 3, M109, M109A2/A3/A4, (details), M113/Leopard C1 details. This guy has a guide on how to paint the M113 and a lot of details for how vehicles were numbered. LatwPIAT fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Dec 8, 2019 |
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Dec 7, 2019 10:12
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I bought a Danish Napoleonic command staff from Perry. I just want to display them, so I'm only going to paint them as long as I think it's fun to do. Here's my WIP for today. 28mm is a hassle, and I have oodles of respect for liljonas and the rest of you gaming in this scale.    
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Dec 7, 2019 22:40
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Fish and Chimps posted:I bought a Danish Napoleonic command staff from Perry. I just want to display them, so I'm only going to paint them as long as I think it's fun to do. Nice work! I like the highlights a lot, mine are much less controlled. I'm stuck with the Calpe stuff since the horrible weather (rain or wind, rain or wind, repeat) has kept me from priming. I'm diggin into a Vistula Legion battalion instead.
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Dec 7, 2019 23:07
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lilljonas posted:Nice work! I like the highlights a lot, mine are much less controlled. I'm stuck with the Calpe stuff since the horrible weather (rain or wind, rain or wind, repeat) has kept me from priming. I'm diggin into a Vistula Legion battalion instead. But on the other hand, you paint literally hundreds. I'm going to paint 4! I finished him today btw.    
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Dec 8, 2019 11:07
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Very nice! These Vistula guys looks... suspiciously suitable to give that Dane a fight. :O  The yellow will be a more of a lemon yellow once done, though.
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Dec 8, 2019 19:05
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Alright, I'm just about to start painting. This is uh a screenshot of two primary colours primed onto late war german tanks, and this is a colour I own called 'hammerfall khaki' What do we think? Is this an okay primary colour? A lot of people paint their german tanks starting a lot more yellow than this I think. But it looks really close to that 1944-1945 Dunkelgelb....
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Dec 8, 2019 19:52
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Those colours look slightly wrong to me; dunkelgelb's more green-yellow than tan yellow. But, that said, it did get more tan yellow later on; it's WW2, most colours are close enoughs.
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Dec 8, 2019 20:08
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Dunkelgelb has always been really hard for me to make look proper so thanks to the german logistics system for being so poo poo.
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Dec 8, 2019 20:16
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Also afaik it quickly faded. Here's a good summary why nobody will be able to tell you the right shade of dunkelgelb. Basically, if you find a shade you like the look of and is more or less in the ballpark of a dark yellow, go with it. https://gluestickssite.wordpress.com/2016/03/01/dunkelgelb-for-dummies/
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Dec 8, 2019 20:23
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That's a good article and, except for the specifics about german archiving and getting bombed, applies to everyone. Soviet uniforms noticeably changed colour over the course of their production; olive drab was mixed differently and faded differently depending on country of origin, dust and mud gets on everything and makes vehicles more closely resemble the surrounding countryside than their factory scheme, and so on. If you look at it and you go "Yeah, that's a green/brown/yellow/whatever tank" you're probably fine.
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Dec 8, 2019 20:47
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Yeah okay I won't worry about it. I'm down with this as a base colour.
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Dec 8, 2019 20:57
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Rough estimation works especially in the late war. Once resources start dwindling, it becomes "Is it close enough to the old colour that we won't shoot them accidentally? Then it's good enough".
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Dec 8, 2019 21:21
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Yeah people pointing out when one part of your tiny mans uniform is slightly the wrong shade of green was half the reason it took me so long to get into historicals. When I realized these people are a small minority and disliked by many then it was way easier to start painting my Italian Bersagliari.
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Dec 8, 2019 21:41
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As someone with an unhealthy amount of plastic tanks, gently caress those people. Honestly, I've always felt like even the gimmick paint schemes like Cobra tanks or whatever are better than just having grey plastic. Wrong/novelty paintjobs are better than no paintjob by miles, and people aren't typically huge dicks about unpainted stuff.
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Dec 8, 2019 21:52
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Toalpaz posted:Yeah okay I won't worry about it. I'm down with this as a base colour. That is a good dunkelgelb. Just like all dogs are good dogs, all dunkelgelbs are good dunkelgelbs. I've gone through so many variations of dunkelgelbs, rotbrauns and whatever-the-gently caress-gruns since I started my German FOW force this summer. I just try to keep it consistent within each unit, that's all. The Tiger in the center is probably what I've settled on for now. 
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Dec 9, 2019 00:24
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Geisladisk posted:keep it consistent within each unit That's the wrong sort of consistency for germans in june of 1944.
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Dec 9, 2019 00:26
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gelb help thread
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Dec 9, 2019 08:00
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Don't ask me about how pissed I got when I realized that the Germans didn't use dunkelgelb in the desert. After I painted my desert StuG dunkelgelb, thinking that it makes sense to paint desert tanks yellow. Which was before I learned that they only like, less than a dozen StuGs survived the trip to North Africa and they were all a different type of StuG. WW2 is hard.  #StuGlyfe
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Dec 9, 2019 09:01
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lilljonas posted:Don't ask me about how pissed I got when I realized that the Germans didn't use dunkelgelb in the desert. After I painted my desert StuG dunkelgelb, thinking that it makes sense to paint desert tanks yellow. Which was before I learned that they only like, less than a dozen StuGs survived the trip to North Africa and they were all a different type of StuG. WW2 is hard. If not yellow, were they just grey in the desert?
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Dec 9, 2019 09:38
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Endman posted:If not yellow, were they just grey in the desert? They were A DIFFERENT shade of yellow. Or brown. Or sometimes grey. And green. Dunkelgelb was RAL 7028. Basically the Germans in North Africa had an original set of yellow-brown, RAL 8000, with green-gray spots RAL 7008, from 1941. Then they switched to yellow-Brown RAL 8020 and sand gray RAL 7027 in the spring of 1942. But in all that chaos, they also sent some vehicles and gear that were painted for the Eastern Front and didn't have time to re-paint, so those would be grey with whatever paint they had available on site. So you could have a grey base colour with stripes of stolen British paint, etc. And then all paints would be stripped by sand storms and/or bleached to almost white in the sun. This thread has a good dunkelgelb diskussion, with the range from a brownish yellow to almost bone white: https://www.forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=95415 lilljonas fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Dec 9, 2019 |
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Dec 9, 2019 10:22
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Related: Britain and the US used very similar colors for their tanks - Olive Drab for the US, and a lighter brown for the UK. The USSR used green. Germany used dunkelgelb as the base, with dark green and brown camouflage. Obviously when picking your tank colours you want the colour to not stick out; Hence the browns and greens. My question is - Germany switched from the dark grey to tricolor with dunkelgelb base in 1943. At that point they obviously knew that their enemies were using dark browns and green, respectively. Was IFF a consideration when picking those colours? Obviously they wouldn't have chosen Olive Drab or Green, since that'd result in a mess of IFF which neither side wants. My question is: Is the selection process that led to these particular colours known, and was what the other guys were using a factor? Did they go, "well, obviously Olive Drab and Green are great choices, but we can't use that, so here's a weird ever-so-slightly greenish beige color"?
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Geisladisk posted:Obviously they wouldn't have chosen Olive Drab or Green, In 1944 they switched base colors from the dark yellow to dark green. Source: quote:On 20 December 1944, it was ordered that a Dunkelgrün base coat, with a hard-edge pattern of Dunkelgelb and Rotbraun should be used.
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