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As long as nobody gets killed I am cool with protesters shaking down the business. Because eventually it "trickle up" to the real estate families who own and make their money on the store front property rents. Do you really need to eat out? Just dunk a ramen in your chick soup. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Nov 10, 2019 |
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I think so long as the protesters are careful in their targeting and make sure they actually are going after wealthy and power pro-bejing business owners this is a great strategy. If they start hitting random businesses though that's less good. HK's certainly a target-rich environment for the former group, no need to go after the later.
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So in this supposededly democratic society they're championing its agree with us or get looted. Got it.
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GlassEye-Boy posted:So in this supposededly democratic society they're championing its agree with us or get looted. Got it. Also missing out on the obvious point that the rioters are enriching themselves by putting businesses on the kill list until they cough up the cash. Truly class warfare.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Also missing out on the obvious point that the rioters are enriching themselves by putting businesses on the kill list until they cough up the cash. Truly class warfare. Hey, Cosa Nostra is truly beloved with their racketeering, after all.
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The HK resistance youth league is fighting a total war against the Han invaders.
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whatever7 posted:The HK resistance youth league is fighting a total war against the Han invaders. Wait im confused which side is the anti imperialists?
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V. Illych L. posted:basically all insurrections do this sort of thing if they're at all organised so good on them i guess??? good hardworking bourgeoisie should never be targeted by a popular revolt that's one of Mao's teachings
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Also missing out on the obvious point that the rioters are enriching themselves by putting businesses on the kill list until they cough up the cash. Truly class warfare. drat this is hella communist my guy, truly a bastion of Mao Zedong thought
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GreyjoyBastard posted:good hardworking bourgeoisie should never be targeted by a popular revolt wow I missed when the guys waving colonial flags were fighting for class solidarity. was this before or after they invited randos like Ted Cruz for a chat?
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"HK protesters are the REAL communists, actually" is not gonna play with with the western media, gonna have to send this back for workshopping before we print the posters I'm afraid.
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sexpig by night posted:wow I missed when the guys waving colonial flags were fighting for class solidarity. was this before or after they invited randos like Ted Cruz for a chat? I'm mostly mocking clb's ideological... inconsistencies, but okay: basically I think it's unfair to tar the HK protesters as a movement with whatever screengrabs people who don't like them have happened to collect there are shitheads in the protests, so what, their organizing principles / demands are good and they're in direct opposition to the enormously capitalist assholes who are enshrined in law as running Hong Kong
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4 years ago stan was spamming Property damage is not violence, it is property damage. Violence is when people are hurt, injured, harmed. The police have been violent. Nows hes spamming Hong Kong rioters are now shaking down restaurants and other businesses for protection money. If they don't cough up cash they get put on a list of businesses that "support the police" and targeted for violence:
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Sorry who was it who invited Ted Cruz to anything? Was there a summons from Pok Guy, King of Protesters?
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this isn't hitting landlords, dude, do you think landlords pay protection?
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sexpig by night posted:this isn't hitting landlords, dude, do you think landlords pay protection? No but it'll trickle up to landlords, we had to destroy the city to save it!
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Bloodnose posted:Sorry who was it who invited Ted Cruz to anything? Was there a summons from Pok Guy, King of Protesters? In case it's not clear, he just showed up. The Hong Kong government didn't stop him at immigration. Hmm.
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Man attacked while trying to remove a roadblock: https://twitter.com/SCMPHongKong/status/1193697633698603008?s=20 Silly goose, only white people are allowed to remove roadblocks without being beaten in Hong Kong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSWxDbg6gRE
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HKPF shot somebody on the morning of the 11th. https://twitter.com/JanetHYPang1/status/1193680357557714944 There's also a video of an HKPF officer on a motorcycle driving through a crowd. https://twitter.com/jeffielam/status/1193695007963660289 Back to your regular discussion.
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sincx posted:cops are bad. this includes: lol
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Silly goose, only white people are allowed to remove roadblocks without being beaten in Hong Kong: Yeah, it's generally expats and the tycoon class who are the most predictable politically influential opponents of the protests -- not a promising constituency for resolving the crisis, though. I think overall the central government under Xi has actually gone quite a long way backwards in judging the effectiveness of its overseas information campaigns, which is why the tit-for-tat propaganda tends not to work very well outside the choir (road block videos vs. people shot on the streets).
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The second guy straight up went to try to wrestle the gun with the cop after the he shot the 1st guy. I mean....what did you expect? Do you think the police don't fire their guns because HK is different? Same thing for the 1st guy but you can say he was trolling the cop. Anyway, this is one thing I don't understand, after Oct 1, all the external influence are clearly backing off from HK. Beijing doesn't need to pressure HK government to reign it in anymore because they don't need to save face for the big parade; US is not playing the HK card anymore because Trump clearly wanted to get a trade deal signed with Xi at their next in-person meeting even though the negotiators have not hammered out the detail; the European press aren't even siding with the protesters anymore. Internally, there are multiple reasons the yellow ribbon want to back off the violence because 1) they want to have a big win in the next election 2) they want to "put up a good show" for the "HK human right act" before the US senate vote. With all that said, the violence is not petering out. I am not talking about just the HK police's violence against the protesters, but also the protesters violence against the mainland students and business whose owners hold different political views. In other words, there is barely any external forces to intensify the conflict but the two sides in the city decide on their own they want to bash each other's heads in. Did you see in that cop shooting video a pedestrian was applauding the police in the end? The two sides are just keep turning up the heat. And don't expect me to say this is a sad tragedy. I just wonder how long will this go on. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Incidentally, I've been curious about the Chinese global media's reporting on Morales' resignation given the complaints about the Western framing. The English Xinhua story does not (at least at the moment) mention the army's role at all, and from what I can tell they didn't report the army intervention earlier either. Global Times has the same report, though they did syndicate a Reuters piece on the military intervention earlier. China Daily's is even more parsimonious (also via Xinhua). I guess the omission in English is deliberate since it is mentioned in the Chinese report in People's Daily, though in a fairly euphemistic style. Compare this to the Daily Mail, of all things, which actually leads with the military intervention in the headline ("Bolivia's socialist President Evo Morales RESIGNS after the nation's military chief said he should leave office"). Since China has opted to build ties with Bolsonaro recently I suppose it's unsurprising that they're not going to raise much of a fuss about Morales' departure, but it's still interesting that it basically matches the Western reporting. whatever7 posted:Anyway, this is one thing I don't understand, after Oct 1, all the external influence are clearly backing off from HK. Beijing doesn't need to pressure HK government to reign it in anymore because they don't need to save face for the big parade; US is not playing the HK card anymore because Trump clearly wanted to get a trade deal signed with Xi at their next in-person meeting even though the negotiators have not hammered out the detail; the European press aren't even siding with the protesters anymore. It is an endogenous and predictable result of the Hong Kong government's poor politics and the central government's lack of understanding on the ground in Hong Kong earlier in the year, which has been aggravated by the continuing incompetence of HKPF and the Hong Kong government's servility to the police interest, so there's nothing to be surprised about. Of course, I agree that there will still, probably, be some way to go before the failure of the Hong Kong government's attempt at slowburn escalation becomes intolerable enough that it forces a shift towards more realistic political solutions. As for the European press, I think you are overrating the one video from Deutsche Welle -- I have not noticed any particular change other than the usual diminishing interest in a protracted crisis.
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whatever7 posted:The second guy straight up went to try to wrestle the gun with the cop after the he shot the 1st guy. I mean....what did you expect? Do you think the police don't fire their guns because HK is different? Same thing for the 1st guy but you can say he was trolling the cop. Trolling a cop = death Remember this next time you post about US police brutality as an outlier.
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Zohar posted:Incidentally, I've been curious about the Chinese global media's reporting on Morales' resignation given the complaints about the Western framing. The English Xinhua story does not (at least at the moment) mention the army's role at all, and from what I can tell they didn't report the army intervention earlier either. Global Times has the same report, though they did syndicate a Reuters piece on the military intervention earlier. China Daily's is even more parsimonious (also via Xinhua). I guess the omission in English is deliberate since it is mentioned in the Chinese report in People's Daily, though in a fairly euphemistic style. I never watch any xinhua/global news report, there are plenty of other good geopolitic content in chinese language online. But I see China's main position is China doesn't interfere with other country's internal affair, so its not in China's interest to comment on other country's palace intrigue.
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GlassEye-Boy posted:So in this supposededly democratic society they're championing its agree with us or get looted. Got it. I mean, pretty much. Confiscation of the properties/freezing of assets of those who commit serious offenses is generally how things should be done in a democratic state.
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As Mark Blyth said, democracy is asset insurance for the rich, and the HK government has most definitely been skimping on the payments
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whatever7 posted:But I see China's main position is China doesn't interfere with other country's internal affair, so its not in China's interest to comment on other country's palace intrigue. Except this supposed non-interference policy is total CCP propaganda to justify its own practices of domestic human rights abuses and essentially only maintained when convenient. When other countries, companies, or organizations criticize the PRC, the CCP is not at all hesitant to impose itself on others’ internal affairs. This was always the case, but it had become especially obvious in recent months as maps in international popular culture and non-Chinese media are now being drawn with the nine-dash line, as organizations and individuals are punished for not respecting the party line on the HK protests, etc. This is also implicitly agreeing with the CCP’s hilariously ideologically ironic position that unbalanced economic relationships don’t constitute harmful geopolitical influence while their financial leverage and their trading positions are now some of their primary foreign policy tools.
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Not gonna post it, because it’s disturbing, but a dude got doused in fuel and lit on fire today. There were a lot of people filming, and it’s been playing on TV all day, along with the video of the cop shooting the protestor. I think he was a counter-protestor confronting protestors.
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Smeef posted:Not gonna post it, because it’s disturbing, but a dude got doused in fuel and lit on fire today. There were a lot of people filming, and it’s been playing on TV all day, along with the video of the cop shooting the protestor. I think he was a counter-protestor confronting protestors. It's clear the HK protestor base has been trying to bait armed intervention from the PAP from the beginning, and they will slowly crank up the heat by using tactics adopted from far right protests elsewhere. The goal is to provoke a 1989 style confrontation in 2019.
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Snipee posted:Except this supposed non-interference policy is total CCP propaganda to justify its own practices of domestic human rights abuses and essentially only maintained when convenient. I mean that's basically the caveat you gotta take with everything a totalitarian government with no accountability says. Nothing means anything because everything will be thrown away the moment it's convenient. You can try guessing what they will consider convenient to predict their movements, but otherwise you're hosed.
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This isn't real, this can't be a real thing. Can it?
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It's a mockup by IPVM based on a now-deleted Hikvision page. The images were not on the page except for the camera. Original page (accessible by Google Cache) IPVM report Prince Myshkin fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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The IPVM article here references the Hikvision product description advertising the camera as follows:quote:Capable of analysis on target personnel's sex (male, female), ethnicity (such as Uyghurs, Han) and color of skin (such as white, yellow, or black), whether the target person wears glasses, masks, caps, or whether he has beard, with an accuracy rate of no less than 90%.
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Pirate Radar posted:The IPVM article here references the Hikvision product description advertising the camera as follows: I think people were asking whether the image you posted was really from Hikvision, since it's so ineptly bigoted.
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Prince Myshkin posted:I think people were asking whether the image you posted was really from Hikvision, since it's so ineptly bigoted. It's a hack source and an image they mocked up to caricatural levels, what do you think?
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:It's a hack source and an image they mocked up to caricatural levels, what do you think? I posted above how it's from IPVM.
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