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Isn't a diesel Santa Fe the best part of $65k these days? Then again I guess the base petrol only 6k cheaper Anyway its still my opinion diesel makes sense in an SUV (even a mid sized one) but not in an i30 or Golf where it won't save any money, just ruin all your enjoyment.
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The TDI with the 6 speed manual is a blast to hoon around in. 6th also puts you right in the torque band for highway driving. The main reason I got rid of mine is that most of my trips are very short city trips which isn't what that engine is good for. If I were commuting 30 miles I'd still have it. It was a VW that's for sure though; the radio just up and died one day and the 120v power outlet started blowing fuses at 20k miles despite having been used perhaps twice. Also bluetooth was janky but it seems that's a pretty common thing with cars and bluetooth.
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Jan 13, 2015 16:12
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Shifty Pony posted:The TDI with the 6 speed manual is a blast to hoon around in. 6th also puts you right in the torque band for highway driving. The main reason I got rid of mine is that most of my trips are very short city trips which isn't what that engine is good for. If I were commuting 30 miles I'd still have it. My dad bought the 2010 VW Jetta TDI Cup Edition with the 6 speed manual. That things flies. If I had some money to lay down on one, I would
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Jan 13, 2015 16:20
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Shifty Pony posted:The TDI with the 6 speed manual is a blast to hoon around in. 6th also puts you right in the torque band for highway driving. The main reason I got rid of mine is that most of my trips are very short city trips which isn't what that engine is good for. If I were commuting 30 miles I'd still have it. Yep, when I chose a Prius for the daily driver it was a neck and neck tie with a TDI. I eventually went dull hybrid because I don't need a highway to get to work and didn't feel like gunking it up by forcing it to live under 40 mph. Still kind of regret it because the test drive was good fun, but on the other hand I'm probably better off because LOL VAG.
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Jan 13, 2015 16:28
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dissss posted:The last 1.6 TDI Golf I drove would stall immediately if you let the clutch out fairly quickly with no throttle - while they have a whack of torque once they hit boost there is absolutely nothing off-idle Jesus, this.
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Jan 13, 2015 17:09
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Owning a diesel and having it operating correctly now constitutes a horrible mechanical failure of your life.
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Jan 13, 2015 17:29
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dissss posted:The last 1.6 TDI Golf I drove would stall immediately if you let the clutch out fairly quickly with no throttle - while they have a whack of torque once they hit boost there is absolutely nothing off-idle Just out of curiosity - how many other manual transmission vehicles have you driven where you can dump the clutch without any throttle and not have it stall?
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Jan 13, 2015 17:42
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Geoj posted:Just out of curiosity - how many other manual transmission vehicles have you driven where you can dump the clutch without any throttle and not have it stall? Dump, zero. I could get my 2006 GTO moving with no throttle in an astonishingly short time, though. Torque EVERYWHERE.
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Jan 13, 2015 17:49
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Geoj posted:Just out of curiosity - how many other manual transmission vehicles have you driven where you can dump the clutch without any throttle and not have it stall? Jeep TJ with the 4.0. If you were on loose soil you could just dump the clutch and it would not stall. If you were in 1st-L I'm not entirely positive that you could stall it even if you tried. The TDI is special when starting out in 1st or reverse. If you so much as momentarily touch 700rpm or so then engine will just die completely. With other cars you have a chance to push the clutch back in and save it but not so with the TDI. Everyone who ever drove mine stalled it at least once, including mechanics just moving it into the bay.
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Jan 13, 2015 18:00
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Everyday Lurker posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Automotive Insanity > Post Pictures of Horrible 3800 Failures - Fords Not Welcome  The old man's Monte Carlo after some dipshit on a cell phone rammed him.
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Jan 13, 2015 18:07
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I could get my beetle moving without throttle if I was slow enough letting the clutch out. Light car, comical gear ratio, that's all it takes.  Could even start it in second gear if I needed to, which was great on ice.
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Jan 13, 2015 18:17
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i could get my old dodge moving in 4th without throttle.
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Jan 13, 2015 18:28
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Powershift posted:i could get my old dodge moving in 4th without throttle. I see you owned an automatic.
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Jan 13, 2015 18:32
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CommieGIR posted:His vanes are stuck on his variable vane turbo. Get it into the shop.
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Jan 13, 2015 18:36
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cursedshitbox posted:I see you owned an automatic. No, it was by choice, not necessity.
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Jan 13, 2015 18:41
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A guy I know claimed he'd gotten his Volvo v70 (diesel) up to highway speed by careful clutching and shifting without ever touching the throttle. Not entirely sure why - or what speed 5th at idle rpm works out to in it.
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Jan 13, 2015 19:31
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Computer viking posted:A guy I know claimed he'd gotten his Volvo v70 (diesel) up to highway speed by careful clutching and shifting without ever touching the throttle. Not entirely sure why - or what speed 5th at idle rpm works out to in it.
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Jan 13, 2015 20:02
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Maybe down a long hill?
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Jan 13, 2015 20:04
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Shifty Pony posted:Jeep TJ with the 4.0. If you were on loose soil you could just dump the clutch and it would not stall. If you were in 1st-L I'm not entirely positive that you could stall it even if you tried. I had an 01 Cherokee Sport that would crawl uphill in 2wd without touching the gas pedal (almost flat, really, not something crazy like a 20 degree incline, but still uphill).
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Jan 13, 2015 20:35
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Tangent from the current discussion: my cousin's fist car was a '90s Bronco with a 4-speed stick. One time his mom's car was broken and she borrowed his; when she gave it back, she complained that it was a bit slow off the line in the low gears. Turns out she didn't realize it was a 4-speed and never put it in first, having learned to drive stick on Grandpa's '70s three-on-the-tree F100, and half the time she was taking off in what she thought was second. My aunt's kind of a badass, apparently. As opposed to her sister/my mom, who took her first husband's '67 Mustang fastback to the dragstrip once, and trashed the clutch in one pass. She did win, though.
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Jan 13, 2015 20:51
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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My 11 the torque comes on right around 1500, there's still some weird blip at 2000 rpms and partial throttle, which is apparently just a mapping issue that all TDI seem to have. Only reason I'm getting rid of mine is that I don't put nearly enough miles a year on it, and I really want a AWD and 300 hp hatch  I have gotten roughly 41 mpg tank average in the 37k miles I've had the car. My commute is about 50% highway 50% morons going 10mph which the car idles perfectly at in first gear.
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Jan 13, 2015 21:04
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InitialDave posted:Not "highway speed". FNorwegianVO highway, so 80km/h (50mph) would qualify - but let's see. Please do check my math... I'll use one of the smaller recommended tires on it - like the 215/55R16. Plugged into a handy calculator, that works out to a 79.5 inch ( ~202cm) circumference. Warm idle is supposed to be something like 750rpm in it. I can't be bothered to guess exactly which transmission was in it, so let's say it will at least do 1:1 . 750 r/min * 2m/r = 1500 m/min , or (1.5 * 60) = 90 km/h (56 mph) . Leaving aside the part where it has to idle up to that speed, ofc. edit: I forgot the diff ratio (or whatever it is in a FWD car), didn't I? edit2: Random numbers time ahoy. The Volvo M56 5-speed has a 5th gear ratio of 0.70:1, and some random car with it has a final drive of 4:1, giving us a 90/(0.70*4)=32 km/h ... which gives 96 km/h at 2250 rpm; I guess that's plausible. My understanding of gearing and drivetrains is still fairly "here be dragons", so I'm mostly hoping to provoke someone who knows better into giving a more correct answer.  (If the above is right he must have had a massive hill.) Computer viking fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jan 13, 2015 |
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Jan 13, 2015 21:13
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The new 5cyl 3.2TD motor in the Aus spec ford Rangers has anti stall in it, so if you do lift your foot off the clutch the ecu will just add more fuel to keep revs back up at idle while you move off. It's a bit creepy at first and not bad on a hill unless your trying to do a stall recovery on a hill and then the stupid car will do its damnedest to prevent you stalling it out!
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Jan 14, 2015 02:26
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I can start my truck moving in any gear, and I'm pretty sure I could dump the clutch in (granny) first and not stall it. Can't say that I've tried though. I'd expect to be able to let off it pretty aggressively even in second without it stalling. Torque!
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Jan 14, 2015 02:55
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My TJ has a very flexible suspension now, and my foot once slipped off the clutch pedal (wet, flat soled boots) with no gas. It didn't stall, nearly but not quite, it torqued the drivetrain and suspension up combined with lurching forward. It must have looked like I had lovely hydraulics trying to three-wheel for a second. I think the IAC valve adjusts after a bit, as it started trundling down the road before I regained composure and pushed in the pedal. That's with 3.07:1 gears in the differentials and 33" tires. I tend to stall other people's cars, as I'm used to a wider friction zone and a gruntier engine, until I adjust.
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I worked at a freightliner dealership for a few summers, and was moving the trucks around on the one time. I pulled one into place, set the brake, and accidentally took my foot off the clutch with it in gear. Brakes held the truck in place and the front drive axle just started turning on the gravel.
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Jan 14, 2015 07:35
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Geoj posted:Just out of curiosity - how many other manual transmission vehicles have you driven where you can dump the clutch without any throttle and not have it stall? This isn't dumping the clutch, it is slowly letting it out in a fashion that wouldn't stall any of my petrol cars. As for your question just one - the slow as balls non turbo 98 Transit I spent far too much time driving back in my youth (the turbo model it eventually got replaced with was far easier to stall inadvertantly)
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Jan 14, 2015 08:30
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My uncle taught me to drive stick in an early 80's VW Vanagon, and while I did kill it a couple times it was extremely hard to do. Perfect for teaching manual. It also felt like it topped out at like 7 mph in first.
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jamal posted:I worked at a freightliner dealership for a few summers, and was moving the trucks around on the one time. I pulled one into place, set the brake, and accidentally took my foot off the clutch with it in gear. Brakes held the truck in place and the front drive axle just started turning on the gravel. I think that's technically classed as a burnout.
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LloydDobler posted:My uncle taught me to drive stick in an early 80's VW Vanagon, and while I did kill it a couple times it was extremely hard to do. Perfect for teaching manual. It also felt like it topped out at like 7 mph in first. Old VW vans had reduction boxes, so it probably did top out pretty low. It's still hilarious to see someone in a van with sufficient power do a burn out if they haven't swapped the transmission and got rid of the reduction boxes. Most cars squat when torque is applied, busses lift, it's loving hilarious. Really wish I could find a video of it.
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Jan 14, 2015 19:17
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I saw the preview and thought it was a recycled car from a crusher.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7dG9UlzeFM
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Jan 14, 2015 20:10
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Crotch Fruit posted:I saw the preview and thought it was a recycled car from a crusher. That video is a shining example of awful editing absolutely ruining the content. Right as the car is about to hit the wall there's so many quick cuts to the video that you don't really get a good view of the very subject they were trying to film. gently caress modern video editing trends.
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revmoo posted:That video is a shining example of awful editing absolutely ruining the content. Right as the car is about to hit the wall there's so many quick cuts to the video that you don't really get a good view of the very subject they were trying to film. gently caress modern video editing trends. Our attention spans are oh look at that shiny bit there! Apparently.
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Jan 15, 2015 07:27
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I remember taking flack for my owning a 2004 Saturn Ion but honestly the only issues I've had with it were either related to the recall or were related to my getting into auto accidents which destroyed the plastic bumpers/mirrors/etc. Are there any cheap, reliable auto brands anymore?
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Jan 15, 2015 07:59
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What bothers me more is the 3 and a half minutes of useless buildup. And just as they launch the car... commercial break! (well, they usually do.) I'm so glad I don't watch TV anymore. Netflix and Amazon have me covered. The only time I ever watch a commercial is during the super bowl.
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Jan 15, 2015 07:59
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RandomPauI posted:I remember taking flack for my owning a 2004 Saturn Ion but honestly the only issues I've had with it were either related to the recall or were related to my getting into auto accidents which destroyed the plastic bumpers/mirrors/etc. Are there any cheap, reliable auto brands anymore? Short answer: no. Slightly longer answer: yes, but with caveats that you wouldn't have on a 90's car.
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Jan 15, 2015 08:18
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The real problem is ABS, stability control, 39 airbags, rear view cameras and butt massagers are all federally mandated now, so to reach the same price point as before, all other areas have to suffer the cost cutting.
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RandomPauI posted:I remember taking flack for my owning a 2004 Saturn Ion but honestly the only issues I've had with it were either related to the recall or were related to my getting into auto accidents which destroyed the plastic bumpers/mirrors/etc. Are there any cheap, reliable auto brands anymore? Do you get Skoda in the US? The interiors are cheap plastic crap, but the underlying cars are generally pretty good. I've driven the same Fabia for 12 years now, and the only real problems are the insides of the doors rusting away to nothing (because the seals are worthless). e: huh, looks like not. That's odd.
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Jan 15, 2015 12:04
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Crotch Fruit posted:I saw the preview and thought it was a recycled car from a crusher. At 5:20 there is a really clear view of the fuel tank rupturing and fuel going everywhere. I'm surprised there wasn't a fireball, I guess cars these days are made up of more inert materials then in the past to prevent an ignition source for the fuel.
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Probably filled with water or somesuch for the "test".
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