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Commander Keene posted:So, basically just like the actual games, then? I'd disagree on that, if a DQ game seems generic, its because it spearheaded a lot of the tropes for the jrpg scene. Also it kind of overuses the same designs over and over again (do we need the gimp dudes everywhere?), but nobody's perfect.
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I've been playing DQX lately and just got the first credit roll. Game is so good...
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We actually need the gimp dudes everywhere.
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Jul 23, 2023 10:14
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Don't remove the gimps, add guys with bull heads so we have the variety of roaming hairless minotaurs running around.
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Jerusalem posted:It would be pretty wild if after Yakuza shifted from real time brawler to turn based in order to emulate Dragon Quest, Dragon Quest decided to turn into a real time brawler! We already got two DQ Musou games, Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2.
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Judge Tesla posted:We already got two DQ Musou games, Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2. and Swords, which..is kind of an ARPG married with Time Crisis. and the upcoming Dai game
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kirbysuperstar posted:and Swords, which..is kind of an ARPG married with Time Crisis. and the upcoming Dai game
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quiggy posted:FFX is the latest mainline strictly turn based FF, for whatever that's worth. Personally I would not be surprised to see something akin to FF7R with an actual "classic mode" that makes the game strictly turn based (but is off by default) Oh you're right, forgot about X.
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I'm 17 and a half hours into Dragon Warrior 7 (psx) and they just started mentioning Dharma Temple so I think I'm close What classes should I go for
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Aug 12, 2023 00:25
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Shepherd.
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Platinum King Jewel
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Nihilarian posted:I'm 17 and a half hours into Dragon Warrior 7 (psx) and they just started mentioning Dharma Temple so I think I'm close The two basic branches in the human classes are physical (Warrior + Fighter -> Gladiator, Warrior + Cleric -> Paladin, Gladiator + Paladin -> Godhand) and magical (Mage + Cleric -> Sage, Jester + Dancer + Bard -> Superstar, Sage + Superstar -> Summoner). Basically everything not in those class lists stops at a second tier combined class instead of the third. You're barely going to get into Godhand by the end of the game with the hero and Gabo even if you focus entirely on the required classes, so it's not that big a deal, but it's probably not worth going into Tamer or the like. Be aware that the hero and Gabo are your permanent party members and everyone else is a rotating guest. Maribel may be a natural mage but she's definitely not getting into Summoner without some serious grinding. Personally I'd recommend just having both of them aim for Godhand, and maybe having Gabo start that road as the basic healer class so that you have another person who has those spells. There's a mechanic where getting certain classes to at least a certain level (I think it's class level 5) and then bringing another class to that same benchmark gives you a special skill. These mostly don't matter, but there's one really good one. If a character's mastering Warrior, then you can get a big power boost by throwing them into Dancer afterward until they learn Sword Dance, which is a free attack that does about 300% of a normal attack over four randomly targeted hits. It's the only physical attack you really need. (One character joins later with Dancer mastered and with her already in Warrior. For dumb mechanics reasons, her getting Sword Dance requires you to put her back into Dancer until you get a special message after like 15 battles, then putting her back in Warrior. It's silly.) At least in the PSX version, monster classes require a lot of farming and an open FAQ because the hearts are mostly random drops and the evolution paths are more unclear than the human ones. Can't recommend it unless you want to cheat in the hearts. If you do cheat for the hearts then sure, go for it. Doing it with Gabo seems appropriate.
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Maribelle might not make it to summoner but i'll probably have her follow that path. Even if she ends the game in sage thats probably good enough? Maybe my biggest regret in dq6 was overestimating how much diversifying skillsets would help. She's the mage and I'll send her down the mage path. I'm not putting up with a noodle arm warrior for 80 hours or however long the game is I may do the monster gabo thing, I'd like to play with the monster classes at least a bit and he seems appropriate
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Nihilarian posted:Maribelle might not make it to summoner but i'll probably have her follow that path. Even if she ends the game in sage thats probably good enough? Maybe my biggest regret in dq6 was overestimating how much diversifying skillsets would help. She's the mage and I'll send her down the mage path. I'm not putting up with a noodle arm warrior for 80 hours or however long the game is Yeah, the important part of "she's not getting to Summoner" is less "don't make her a Sage" and more "don't make her a Superstar." I usually have her finish the game as a Sage.
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in the psx version, there's only one step to take, anyway. get someone to level 5 warrior and level 5 dancer. then they learn sword dance, which is by far the best attack in the game. if you want to make things really boring, get it for everyone. it doesn't take long.
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What's the fastest route to the hero class
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Nihilarian posted:What's the fastest route to the hero class Mastering Godhand, the third-tier physical class. Technically it's any three second tier or higher classes, but adding a second-tier instead of going with Godhand means mastering another basic class to unlock that second-tier, and there's no classes where both of those add up to fewer than Godhand's mastery requirement. Or you could beat the post-game superboss under a certain number of turns to get the Hero's Heart item that lets anyone change to Hero instantly. I guess that's technically "faster," by some definitions.
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Yeah, the Third tier classes aren't that important, but the road to getting there is a solid route for people to take beyond a few detours like like Sword Dance that was mentioned and I want to say getting Woolguard from Shepherd (At Rank 7) if you're willing since it can really help with one of the tougher fights in the game, assuming my ancient memory isn't misremembering that fight.
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having a superstar is real nice in general even though none of the classes you use to get there are any good. even if all they do for the rest of the game is hustle dance that's still a very useful niche.
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Is Armamentalist ever good? It sucked in dq6 too
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I'll make the dancer get sword dance and then beeline for godhand and maybe hero for postgame if it has one and I feel like playing it. I'll dip around with the main character to get utility spells since he's always in the party but try to send him down the godhand path too. Maribelle sage/summoner and Gabo monster. IDK about the last guy. May just send him down the classes that didn't get used or make another monster character. Or both. I don't think i can start as a monster so I may get some utility on Gabo too
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In the PS1 version It has bikill/twinhits/oomph. And while it's the easier way to learn it, you do have an end game weapon that casts it on use. Though even then it doesn't work well with Sword Dance so it's not important if that's you're main way of dealing damage (specifically the extra power is only applied to the first hit of sword dance if I remember correctly).
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Unless you really love grinding don't do monster classes in the PSX version. In my two decades of owning the PSX version I've gotten maybe one heart drop that wasn't in a treasure chest. It sucks. The 3DS version makes it both the best way to keep higher-tier skills and gives you a way to grind them out easy(er).
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Nihilarian posted:I'll make the dancer get sword dance and then beeline for godhand and maybe hero for postgame if it has one and I feel like playing it. I'll dip around with the main character to get utility spells since he's always in the party but try to send him down the godhand path too. Maribelle sage/summoner and Gabo monster. IDK about the last guy. May just send him down the classes that didn't get used or make another monster character. Or both. I don't think i can start as a monster so I may get some utility on Gabo too Mervyn/Melvin(?) makes a pretty good healer since his bad speed means he can immediately cast a heal after you take damage in the same round if he’s left on AI. He’s pretty well-rounded but leans slightly towards magic anyway, at least in the 3DS version.
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And normally I just give Gabo the WondeRock/Sage's Stone to give him a heal he can fire off fast to save people if I need to.
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The Pro move is to get sword dance. Max Warrior on Gabo or Hero(or both) and then do I think 5 levels of dancer to get it. It's pretty much the best skill. Its 4 random attacks for zero cost. Get that then do whatever. Most of the skills are kinda useless. The game isn't super hard either. Once you have a couple people with sword dance you can just do anything really.
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there's a system where you become proficient at a class at rank 5, which then carries over to the next class that character uses. so you can gain a skill by becoming proficient with particular combinations of two classes. you can regain that status at any time by doing a few more battles, so it's not missable or anything. it's pretty pointless aside from sword dance. the 3ds version ditches it entirely.
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There's one other proficiency skill I usually got; Cleric + Shepherd is Increase, and while it's on several monster hearts that's the only way to get it without.
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Early DQ had a lot of promotional art and stuff that gave personality to the games when they were new, does anyone know of some places with collections of that art? I do own the artbook, but I know theres a lot not included in it. Edit: Lmao the exact moment I asked I found the motherlode on a special page on the wiki. Sharing the bounty for anyone interested MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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MythosDragon posted:Early DQ had a lot of promotional art and stuff that gave personality to the games when they were new, does anyone know of some places with collections of that art? I do own the artbook, but I know theres a lot not included in it. That really is a bounty, love the artwork of what characters in the NES games looked like in particular gear.
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I've decided I care more about getting utility spells on the mc than i do getting him to tier 3 classes. I'll probably get him sword dance so he can do that without sucking, but I'll leave sword dance to him and aira and not put it on the others. I'll make regular plans for Gabo and Mervyn and if I stumble into any monster hearts I'll divert. Maybe make gabo an armamentalist for the hell of it and mervyn a paladin for the healing. Maribel and Aira aim for the tier 3 classes but if the game stops at tier 2 that's fine too.
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Is there any real reason to play the original 7? Someone gave me a copy some years ago and it was a very thoughtful, touching gift, but I bought the 3DS version and I can't see a reason not to play that. The portability is a big improvement, sure, but the remake seems to take the piss less.
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Unless you really hate the modern-style localizations there really isn't a compelling reason to play the PSX version when you have access to the 3DS version.
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If you have to ask, you should just play the 3DS version. The original is not without its appeal, due to lacking the mechanical changes designed to increase the convenience of a game whose inconvenience is arguably part of its overall aesthetic, but if and when you find you want to experience that, you won't need a forum to tell you.
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It could probably be interesting to compare the two? The remake is a lot more streamlined with story progression, but it’s also a lot more simplified with the gameplay too, since the advanced vocations don’t let you carry over skills but are more endgame-capable despite needling less battles to master from what I can tell by browsing a guide; Paladin gets Multiheal in 3DS as an example whereas you’d have to wait until Champion for that in PSX.
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JustJeff88 posted:Is there any real reason to play the original 7? Someone gave me a copy some years ago and it was a very thoughtful, touching gift, but I bought the 3DS version and I can't see a reason not to play that. The portability is a big improvement, sure, but the remake seems to take the piss less.
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OP did say they owned both versions of the game, I figured the, "if you have both" part of the question was implied.
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Commander Keene posted:OP did say they owned both versions of the game, I figured the, "if you have both" part of the question was implied.
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Malaria posted:The Pro move is to get sword dance. Max Warrior on Gabo or Hero(or both) and then do I think 5 levels of dancer to get it. It's pretty much the best skill. Its 4 random attacks for zero cost. Get that then do whatever. Most of the skills are kinda useless. The game isn't super hard either. Once you have a couple people with sword dance you can just do anything really. Is this a change for the DS remake? Because in the original you got QuadHit from the Warrior+Fighter advanced class (Battlemaster?) which was 4 hits and I'm pretty sure it had zero cost as well so you could just spam it every round of a fight if you wanted.
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