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E2M2 posted:All the CDs are of Osama's anime collection Some of them are Sims 3 copies.
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Weird to see technical combat manuals that didn't leak from a war thunder discord in this day and age.
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E2M2 posted:All the CDs are of Osama's anime collection Don't wanna know how many are just Bible Black on repeat.
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Young Freud posted:Like seriously, doesn't Israel have these super loving commandos we keep hearing about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOWYlVnGqY Any official statements will always say that only one thing can be determined with certainty: no IDF soldier deliberately fired at a journalist / ambulance / school. We investigated this. That is the conclusion and there is no other. Well maybe there is...
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Discendo Vox posted:Under the current moderation rules we are not allowed to refer to any of this. We are required to entertain users who do this, forever. For such an extensive rule set that DnD has, it's odd it has gaps to allow certain types of trolling.
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Young Freud posted:The IDF did some intelligence work today and raided a HAMAS stronghold. Why would Hamas be using English numerals?
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Hong XiuQuan posted:Why would Hamas be using English numerals? Funny story, but english numerals are derived from arabic numerals.
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Hong XiuQuan posted:Why would Hamas be using English numerals? They're actually Arabic Numerals. Europe adopted them during the middle ages to replace Roman numerals.
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Soylent Yellow posted:They're actually Arabic Numerals. Europe adopted them during the middle ages to replace Roman numerals. There are actual Arabic numerals different from the ones we use.  But my understanding is their use is not completely ubiquitous nowadays. When I was checking the website of Palestinian Ministry of Health, they had Western numerals for various things there, like phone numbers, quantities, dates (although that one just might be a quirk of date format localisation), 19 in COVID-19, etc. I don't know, however, if military would use Western numerals on maps or whatever. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Nov 4, 2023 |
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See I was about to post that too but I decided to look it up and numbers in actual Arabic look pretty different? But it’s possible that Hamas sees a lot of foreign fighters so it might just be a Lingua Franca thing.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_keyboard Looks like they use the same numbers as the West? It makes sense as a computer toucher why you'd want numeral glyphs to be culture independent.
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HootTheOwl posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_keyboard That keyboard clearly has the Arabic numerals in the bottom right of each number key.
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Muscle Tracer posted:That keyboard clearly has the Arabic numerals in the bottom right of each number key. There's like ten keyboards on that page all but the oldest feature the English numerals first and half don't have the Arabic numerals at all
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Nov 4, 2023 15:26
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-officials-voice-new-concerns-warnings-israels-war-hamas-rcna123445quote:Biden and his top aides have in the past week adjusted the administration’s public message to emphasize concern for Palestinian civilians and U.S. efforts to get them humanitarian relief. The shift follows growing criticism at home and abroad of Biden’s decision to swiftly and staunchly back Israel’s military response to Hamas while initially speaking less forcefully about protecting Palestinians; meanwhile, images of civilian casualties in Gaza continue to ricochet around the world. The Biden brain trust has entered the chat.
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Nov 4, 2023 16:01
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If only there were a way to dispel the narrative that the Biden admin whole-heartedly endorses and actively supports the ongoing genocide. I mean, they've already spouted a few platitudes while maintaining a consistent actual policy, and they're even toying with the idea of coming out with more platitudes, what else can possibly be done?
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HootTheOwl posted:There's like ten keyboards on that page all but the oldest feature the English numerals first and half don't have the Arabic numerals at all You absolutely do see them on elevators and packaging and stuff. Might be similar to Chinese where on computer numbers are often written out in Latin script.
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That article is a couple days old and they've definitely shifted to, yeah, at least pairing the statements of absolutely unconditional support for Israel with platitudes about not killing too many civilians. of course there's been literally zero public evidence of any at all meaningful pressure on Israel to exercise restraint so lol gently caress them for suddenly being worried. so far efforts to get israel to moderate their behavior have been non-military in nature (eg internet connectivity, completely token amounts of relief for Palestinians allowed in, and almost completely fruitless efforts to get foreigners out via the rafah crossing). If you asserted that Israel is completely playing the Biden administration for fools it would be hard to disprove. The one thing very conspicuously missing from the Biden admin are tangible efforts to restrain Israel's destruction of Gaza The us actually has a unique opportunity to sabotage years of efforts in ukraine by shifting resources to Israel where israel will adeptly manage to not accomplish their either undefined or unaccomplishable goals and the US can manage to turn a rare foreign policy success into a pair of foreign policy disasters. Zulily Zoetrope posted:If only there were a way to dispel the narrative that the Biden admin whole-heartedly endorses and actively supports the ongoing genocide. I mean, they've already spouted a few platitudes while maintaining a consistent actual policy, and they're even toying with the idea of coming out with more platitudes, what else can possibly be done? yeah there's zero pressure being applied currently that anyone on either the american or israeli side believes is going to slow the IDF down Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Nov 4, 2023 |
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The Democrats seemed to have bet heavily on the  humanitarian pause narrative being able to cover their asses.
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that might have meant something if they'd pushed for it three weeks ago on an unrelated note, there's a very real chance that this will also turn into a domestic scandal wrt the woefully inadequate effort to get american hostages back and failure to get american citizens out of gaza
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Netanyahu: "So basically our plan is to do all the war crimes. All of them. The whole book of war crimes" Biden: "Oh jeeze holy poo poo. We gotta have a plan on how to spin the PR for this." Republicans: "Are you sure that's enough war crimes? Cause we'd be willing to shoot some American college students to help out here."
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I wanted to clarify D&D's rules regarding whataboutism. Whataboutism is against the rules specifically when it violates I.B.1: When replying, respond directly to what the poster said. Let me illustrate with examples, assuming that Hamas and the IDF both eat infants, and no one in the thread has discussed this fact yet. If someone says that Hamas is uniquely evil because they eat infants, and another poster points out that Israel also does, that is not against the rules because it is a direct refutation of the "uniquely" part. If someone says that Hamas eats infants, and that's evil, and another person says that's true, and Israel also does it, so it can't be used as a metric to determine which side is worse, that is also not against the rules because it's acknowledging the point and expanding on it. If someone says Hamas eats infants, and that's evil, and another person says no, Israel also does it, that is against the rules because it's presenting itself as refuting the previous poster while responding to a point they didn't make. And if it didn't have the "no," then it would be argument via insinuation as it's not being clear the point being made. For more info on whataboutism, Wikipedia's article is a good summary. It talks about how whataboutism can be rhetorically problematic, but also how accusations of whataboutism can be manipulative and how comparing actors can be good faith and useful when used for contextualization.
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Autisanal Cheese posted:
Thank god, Austria is in full support mode for Israel. If you follow the news here, it sounds like the IDF is fighting aliens to protect the whole world. It is pretty sad to see AutismVaccine fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Nov 4, 2023 |
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Abu Ubeida was on AJA, where he provided what can only be called a sizzle reel of Hamas attacks on IDF vehicles. For obvious reasons will not be sharing, but main notes: - 25 vehicles destroyed in 24 hours - In a lot of the footage Hamas soldiers are genuinely just walking up within 15 feet of a tank before destroying them; still no infantry screens, just columns of merkavas that may as well be completely blind. - Showed off a new type of RPG Wall Street Journal is corroborating the general tone that the IDF is having a rough time: Hamas Has Deadlier Weapons Than the Last Time Israel Invaded Gaza Notable quote: quote:The U.S. fought several wars against militant groups, including al-Qaeda and the Taliban, only to face lengthy and stubborn insurgencies. Eradicating Hamas will perhaps be even harder, analysts say. It seems like the perfect storm of the IDF still thinking the trophy system can replace infantry (it couldn't even before Iran and Hamas figured it out), still with minimal experience out of vehicles, and Hamas being refined into a force that specifically wants an urban ground battle, and with an arsenal developed around taking out screenless vehicles. There's a paper on IDF development through the years, published in April 2023. It goes through the evolution & devolution of the IDF up to 2006, where their defeat in Lebanon causes the doctrinal core of the IDF to fragment, and in the chaos the exact same doctrine that made them lose apparently won out: https://academic.oup.com/book/45784/chapter/400601386 Notable quotes: quote:After Israel’s fire-only strategy failed to compel Hezbollah to desist from firing its rockets into Israel, Israel was forced to employ its ground forces to capture the territory from which the majority of those rockets were being launched. The result of the ground incursion can best be summed-up in the words of an Israeli paratrooper battalion commander after the war: ‘I entered Lebanon to arrest terrorists and collided with a regular army …’ TLDR: the IDF have become a bad army that excels through brute massing of expensive & expansive military equipment. They're heavily focused on policing tactics as a result of administrating the West Bank, and apparently their answer to their deficiencies has been to progress from "Cop" to "Robocop". https://twitter.com/HaidarAkarar/status/1720584535631618240 I don't know Hebrew so I can't check this myself, but it would be amusing if the IDF are so green to fighting on-foot that they've reinvented "hit and run". Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Nov 4, 2023 |
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Paladinus posted:There are actual Arabic numerals different from the ones we use. Everywhere I’ve experienced uses the western/faux-arabic/whatever 123456789 system for stuff like this even though that’s not how it’s written locally. Like the Shinkansen don’t number the cars or label the tickets with Japanese numerals E: like not taking a stance on if the IDF is lying but using what are now the global numerals isn’t some smoking gun Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Nov 4, 2023 |
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Paladinus posted:If it was abandoned, it was probably in a hurry if they didn't take the plans with them. Or the plans were left there deliberately. Or the IDF is lying again.
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loving lol y'all can't even loving google can you 
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Reik posted:Or the IDF is lying again. Unlike with 'al-Qaeda manuals', I don't see any reason for them to lie about those plans. They are defensive plans, so their propaganda value is dubious. Another possible option, though, is that the plans are from ten years ago and are simply no longer relevant. The fact that there are CDs, when even Israel claimed that Hamas militants had thumb drives on them, could mean that that 'stronghold' was actually abandoned a long time ago for whatever reason. Or the plans are actually for some sewer maintenance.
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Folks, yes both sets of numerals are used but it’s far, far more common in written use in Palestine to be using Arabic numerals (sorry for the pedants in the thread: Eastern Arabic Numerals). In that regard I’d suggest it’s a lot like Chinese numerals (mixed usage but in written very common to default to Chinese numerals). E: I should say I’ve got no statistical analysis for handwriting usage but this is certainly my experience with myself, my family in the West Bank and throughout the Arab world, my weekend Arabic school when I was a kid, notes from friends etc Yes, I agree it’s not a smoking gun and yes it’s entirely possible that whoever wrote it prefers using English numerals (sorry, Western Arabic Numerals) but given all the other fake trash published by Israel it’s definitely something to note and to question. Hong XiuQuan fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Nov 4, 2023 |
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Koos Group posted:I wanted to clarify D&D's rules regarding whataboutism. Whataboutism is against the rules specifically when it violates I.B.1: When replying, respond directly to what the poster said. Let me illustrate with examples, assuming that Hamas and the IDF both eat infants, and no one in the thread has discussed this fact yet. Perfect time to remind everyone there's a feedback thread! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4046491 You can tell Koos what you think of the rules and moderation enforcement. Remember, be quick, your input only matters on weekend days!
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Paladinus posted:Unlike with 'al-Qaeda manuals', I don't see any reason for them to lie about those plans. They are defensive plans, so their propaganda value is dubious. Another possible option, though, is that the plans are from ten years ago and are simply no longer relevant. The fact that there are CDs, when even Israel claimed that Hamas militants had thumb drives on them, could mean that that 'stronghold' was actually abandoned a long time ago for whatever reason. Because the "defensive plans" they show include the refugee camp the IDF bombed just the other day in them, and the existence of Hamas defensive plans for a refugee camp feeds in to the narrative that IDF was justified in bombing said camp.
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Reik posted:Because the "defensive plans" they show include the refugee camp the IDF bombed just the other day in them, and the existence of Hamas defensive plans for a refugee camp feeds in to the narrative that IDF was justified in bombing said camp. Ah, sorry, wasn't mentioned in that twitter thread. Makes a lot of sense, if that's the case.
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Paladinus posted:Ah, sorry, wasn't mentioned in that twitter thread. Makes a lot of sense, if that's the case. No worries, the thread mentions Jabalya and has a google maps overlay, and unless I'm bad at maps or the Jabalia refugee camp is very small there's overlap.
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Neurolimal posted:TLDR: the IDF have become a bad army that excels through brute massing of expensive & expansive military equipment. They're heavily focused on policing tactics as a result of administrating the West Bank, and apparently their answer to their deficiencies has been to progress from "Cop" to "Robocop". The IDF and the Israeli leadership as a whole has consistently underestimated Hamas, and they don't seem to have learned any lessons. I'll be curious to see at what point the Israeli public sours on this ground invasion as the casualties pile up.
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Neurolimal posted:Abu Ubeida was on AJA, where he provided what can only be called a sizzle reel of Hamas attacks on IDF vehicles. For obvious reasons will not be sharing, but main notes: Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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The RPG-29s are not outdated and should be perfectly capable of penetrating anything Israel can field if they it in the side or rear. They use a tandem warhead and can penetrate 750mm of armor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-29
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In addition, the fighters in almost all of those videos are extremely close and have plenty of time to aim. They're going to be hitting weaker sections of armour. e: And it's probably less a jump cut to avoid showing an intact tank and more the fact the guys are booking it the gently caress out of there after just revealing their position and there's nothing interesting in seeing a shaking camera of feet. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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punishedkissinger posted:The RPG-29s are not outdated and should be perfectly capable of penetrating anything Israel can field if they it in the side or rear. They use a tandem warhead and can penetrate 750mm of armor. To defeat such a tank, you need to hit it more than once in a short time.
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Trophy doesn't activate for a launch within 50m apparently
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