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kill your idols posted:How'd he get out of the cage? Death? It was death or cake
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bobkatt013 posted:We do not know if he could even be Lucifer's vessal now due to the poo poo he did last season. His blood was almost able to cure Crowley. While both are called "demons", Crowley is a completely different type of supernatural being than Lucifer. Lucifer is one of the most powerful angels out there with only a few other beings on his level; Crowley is a souped up ghost. Just because Sam's blood could gently caress up Crowley doesn't mean that it would have any effect on Lucifer.
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Oct 9, 2013 21:55
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Random Stranger posted:While both are called "demons", Crowley is a completely different type of supernatural being than Lucifer. Lucifer is one of the most powerful angels out there with only a few other beings on his level; Crowley is a souped up ghost. Just because Sam's blood could gently caress up Crowley doesn't mean that it would have any effect on Lucifer. But Sam's body was prepped to carry Lucifer and if it wasn't then it would burn up like Jacobs. The rituals seem to have nulified that so if Lucifer goes back into the body it will just burn up.
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Oct 9, 2013 21:57
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A epic Lucy vs. Michael battle without anyone driving into the battle ground and being an rear end-butt would be kinda cool. It would make one of Dean's beatings look like a birthday party at McDonalds. It would fit well with him being one of the first to fall from Heaven.
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Oct 9, 2013 21:59
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kill your idols posted:How'd he get out of the cage? Death? Metatron's spell could have had implications beyond heaven. Maybe it was an "expelled to earth" spell for angels rather than an "expelled from heaven." Michael could have "fell to earth" from the cage.
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Oct 9, 2013 22:29
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KilGrey posted:No one would recognize each other. They all fell and scrambled to find meat suits. They are all new faces to each other. I'm not sure that would matter though. Unless it was part of their "mojo" that was lost in the fall, we've seen angels recognize each other with no problem despite changing vessels. Castiel instantly recognized Raphael in a completely different vessel in season 6 and Samandriel even though he'd taken kind of an improvised/spur of the moment vessel at the time.
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Oct 9, 2013 23:28
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I loved the episode but it kind of gave me an ick feeling. How many times has Sam been possessed now? Meg, that kid, Lucifer and now this guy? He spent a long time without his soul too. And Sam really felt lovely about what he did while he wasn't in control, as well as went more than a little crazy after the Pit. Sam doesn't do guilt well. He wants to die specifically so he can save people from himself. Sam never wanted to hurt anyone. He wanted to save people and he ended up doing the opposite and the idea that he might do it again is obviously eating him up inside and has been for years. So, yeah, Dean knowing full well that his brother wanted to die and stay dead so that Sam couldn't hurt anyone again, just let an angel jump into him. An angel Dean doesn't know and only has Cas' word, unseen, that he's a cool dude. Yeah, that little window into Dean's hosed up, "need Sam to live, don't care what the cost" view has creeped me out. Dean you are one hosed up piece of work. This is worse than selling your soul so Sam can live. This is selling Sam's body, and possibly soul depending on if Ezekiel is a decent guy, so he can live. On the other hand, Ezekiel couldn't possibly be Lucifer, motherfucker was too smooth. We've seen Michael possess both John and Adam in very short amount of time with what seemed like a minimum of effort. If it's any big bad angel, he's got to be Michael. Sam would've died before Lucifer conned his way into his sweet, sweet meatsuit.
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Oct 10, 2013 01:26
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How would an angel not recognise Michael? He wasn't exactly an obscure angel no one knew before the whole Apocalypse thing, the archangels -- so he and Raphael -- ran Heaven. That said, I don't trust Ezekiel in the slightest. If something seems too good to be true... After Metatron it's even harder to believe that he's legit. We don't know who he (? no reason it couldn't be a female angel I guess) is or what his agenda is.
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Oct 10, 2013 01:56
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Idunn posted:no reason it couldn't be a female angel I guess do supernatural angels even have gender beyond that of their hosts?
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Oct 10, 2013 03:50
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hangedman1984 posted:do supernatural angels even have gender beyond that of their hosts? Michael and Lucifer were brothers, it sounds like they have a set gender but can inhabit different hosts (e.g., Raphael).
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Oct 10, 2013 04:30
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I actually trust Ezekiel and think he is who he says he is. I think it's time they had an angel on their side that wasn't Cas. Especially with every other angel after them. I could also be blinded by my love for Helo but I'm okay with that. God drat is that man gorgeous. 
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Oct 10, 2013 05:14
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I think Zeke is who he says he is too. Also, I think I'm going to call him Zeke because it's easier.
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Oct 10, 2013 06:46
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KilGrey posted:I actually trust Ezekiel and think he is who he says he is. I think it's time they had an angel on their side that wasn't Cas. Especially with every other angel after them. It'll be interesting to see how he stacks up against Abaddon.
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Oct 10, 2013 11:06
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I thinkk ezekiel was hurt because he got his rear end kicked by the other angel that Dean stabbed. His vessel might not have been up to holding him at full power, and getting smacked around probably didn't help much. All the other angels we see in the episode are either together, or just not fighting. Cept for Hael, cause god drat did she go all overly attached angel pretty quick. IT'S OK, WE GO SEE THE CANYON I MADE AND THEN I CAN GET ALL UP INSIDE YOU. TRUST ME  That being said, I will not gasp in shock if it turns out SOMEONE LIED on the show, cause holy poo poo that's like a record to have the whole bro vs bro lying start in the season opener.
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Oct 10, 2013 11:26
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Writer Cath posted:It'll be interesting to see how he stacks up against Abaddon. An angel should be able to give Abaddon swirlies in Hell's toilet, but we don't really know what the wingless angels are capable of. We know that they can't teleport anymore, that they still have their swords, and are super strong but not a whole lot past that. Ezekiel also may be weaker than normal between holding Sam together and what exactly got him so beat up.
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Oct 10, 2013 13:39
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We're so used to Cas being all about the free will that it's easy to forget that most other angels absolutely crave guidance and direction. For many of them to suddenly be alone with no mandate to follow, would be absolutely terrifying. They're scared and angry.
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Oct 10, 2013 14:08
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I also assume that most would not want to be like Cas since he killed a shitload of them
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Oct 10, 2013 14:27
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Is Sam still extra pure or whatever from his rituals? Even if he didn't complete the last, between that and having an angel in him should make even Abadon think twice.
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Oct 10, 2013 14:42
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Can't abbadon only be killed by arch angels? I can see her matching angels, Especially now that they've lost their mojo.
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Oct 10, 2013 15:25
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Yea, the only archangels left are Lucifer and Michael, and both of them are out of the way at the moment.
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Oct 10, 2013 18:10
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Yea, the only archangels left are Lucifer and Michael, and both of them are out of the way at the moment. It's possible Gabriel is still alive as well. He very easily could have faked his own death again.
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Oct 10, 2013 18:21
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Lawlicaust posted:It's possible Gabriel is still alive as well. He very easily could have faked his own death again. We can only hope!
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Oct 10, 2013 18:59
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Lawlicaust posted:It's possible Gabriel is still alive as well. He very easily could have faked his own death again. If we get Gabriel's triumphant return this season every sin in the world they committed at the beginning of last season will be forgiven.
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Oct 10, 2013 19:05
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That was a really good season premiere. Bobby, Death and Helo all in the same episode was great, the angel that clocked Cas was...creepy to say the least. I hope that they didn't just cast Helo for the premiere; it would be nice for him to stick around or at least come back at some point. Crowley in the trunk was amazing. I'm really looking forward to what's coming this season. Oh god please let Gabriel return.
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Oct 10, 2013 19:46
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They open the trunk and out pops Gabriel, just to gently caress with them.
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Oct 10, 2013 19:56
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Writer Cath posted:They open the trunk and out pops Gabriel, just to gently caress with them. Gabriel was actually Crowley the entire time.
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Oct 10, 2013 19:59
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I am not sure what to think about this episode, everything just felt like a repeat, i am getting really sick of one brother almost dying, so that the other brother has to do something dumb, and we already had a full season of something being inside Sam that he is not supposed to know about. I liked the new status of the Angels, i am just hoping the rest of the season doesn't feel so stale.
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Oct 10, 2013 20:09
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They should do a spin-off with the Ghostfacers accidentally starting another apocalypse or hell, just trying to actually hunt things or be competent at finding ghosts. Seriously guys, the Winchesters find ghosts left and right and you saw a lamp move once? Weak. I would watch the gently caress out of that spin-off. Sam and Dean could drop in every few seasons to facepalm. Just imagine the theme song.  Ghost-facers!Gabriel should show up just to prove that everything since Mystery Spot was an elaborate troll. "And that's why you never lie to your brother." Stabs self, fakes death.
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Oct 11, 2013 01:53
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I think the Ghostfacers are coming back this season, so we all have that to look forward to. Has anyone seen this yet? http://cwseed.com/shows/gallery-mallory/?play=94b2f233-b4c2-48ad-b823-1182bb6dc17a It's... interesting, I guess.
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Oct 11, 2013 05:25
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Does anyone have a .gif of the title animation? Those burning angel wings around the Supernatural logo are just too badass to pass up. Actually, .gifs of any of the stylized titles from past seasons would be awesome, too. 
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Oct 11, 2013 06:49
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Sam being tricked into letting an angel possess him pretty much invalidates season 5's entire story. I went into the season with zero expectations and somehow still came away from the episode disappointed. They aren't even trying to mix it up, just repeat the same storyline over and over. I imagine it's hard in the writing room when you have 173 episodes where it's the same two characters but on the other hand that's the way it is because that's the way they write it when they kill off every interesting friend/partner. It's a miracle that Misha Collins managed to stick around this long and now that he's off on his own maybe we'll get a new story line that doesn't involve the two brothers lying to each other, eventually telling each other the truth while one of them looks at the other like he's straining to take a poo poo. Actually nevermind, there's too many other shows on right now that do everything Supernatural does but better and without circular storywriting. Midnight City fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Oct 11, 2013 07:07
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Vicissitude posted:Does anyone have a .gif of the title animation? Those burning angel wings around the Supernatural logo are just too badass to pass up. http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Title_Card#Season_Nine
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Oct 11, 2013 07:21
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Midnight City posted:Sam being tricked into letting an angel possess him pretty much invalidates season 5's entire story. Hey, this is a more bitter version of me from seasons 5-8.
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Oct 11, 2013 07:36
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Was Taters posted:Hey, this is a more bitter version of me from seasons 5-8. It's like an abusive relationship. First I love it, then it treats me so badly, then I give it another chance before it keeps hurting me only for me to realize in the end it's my fault for putting up with it. drat you and your dreamy eyes Misha Collins.
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Oct 11, 2013 08:04
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Midnight City posted:It's like an abusive relationship. First I love it, then it treats me so badly, then I give it another chance before it keeps hurting me only for me to realize in the end it's my fault for putting up with it. Clearly not a Glee fan.
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Oct 11, 2013 14:36
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I for one was pretty disappointed that after all these world-wide shenanigans, from the Apocalypse nearly happening to Angels falling from the sky by the thousands, the world at large still has no idea that the supernatural is real. I left Season 8 hoping that goddamn celestial beings dropping down into peoples streets would open up a brand new world for the brothers to navigate where mankind is no longer oblivious to everything around them. It wouldn't even have to be a big deal. They wouldn't need to show worldwide panic and people flocking to churches in droves. Just next time someone runs into a beastie and Sam'n'Dean show up and explain it have that person go "Oh...yeah. I guess after the Divine Meteor Shower, Vampires don't seem all that out there.." But instead we're stuck with Hunters still being the only people in existence that don't have their heads up their asses. Also, as a side note, I was thinking the other day about all the legendary beings the brothers have ran in to and killed either directly or indirectly. If someone was still writing their tales then most every major God or Divine Being's entire life history ends with "And then they met Sam and Dean Winchester." Esroc fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Oct 11, 2013 16:19
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Esroc posted:I for one was pretty disappointed that after all these world-wide shenanigans, from the Apocalypse nearly happening to Angels falling from the sky by the thousands, the world at large still has no idea that the supernatural is real. I left Season 8 hoping that goddamn celestial beings dropping down into peoples streets would open up a brand new world for the brothers to navigate where mankind is no longer oblivious to everything around them. Cognitive Dissonance. People really, really don't want to believe bad things are real so they invent reasons why they aren't. It's also safe to assume that the governments of the world have been doing some pretty big damage control. And to be fair about the gods thing, quite a few of their life history ends with "And then they met Lucifer." Because he killed a room full of them.
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Oct 11, 2013 17:11
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I find the love/hate level for this show so easy to brush off after watching True Blood every year. I find it easy to just enjoy the jokes and cobbled together mythology of the show.
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Oct 11, 2013 17:16
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I'm very glad the ratings are up. Woo season 10 
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Lawlicaust posted:Cognitive Dissonance. People really, really don't want to believe bad things are real so they invent reasons why they aren't. It's also safe to assume that the governments of the world have been doing some pretty big damage control. Also all the hunters, including Sam and Dean, spend a lot of time trying to cover everything up so we can all live in blissful ignorance.
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