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Pick posted:Woah, hey. Usually the way to compliment someone is not to insult everyone else. It's hyperbole. Of course there are other competent depictions, most of which I am probably unfamiliar with, it's just funnier to make a blanket statement because of the context of the thread. If you've done something along those lines, I don't even know about it, so it certainly wasn't meant as a personal slight. Also somewhere in the Peach canon there is a thing where a much older Peach is talking about old times and somebody talks about seeing Dobermann decades after the war in (I think) India living at a monastery or something, using his helmet as an alms bowl. I have no idea where this particular story is though, and it may not be canonical anymore with the Afterdead stuff.
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This thread got me interested. Do I, as a German citizen get put on a government watchlist again for reading or can I treat this as outsider art and be fine?
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Hymirvetr posted:This thread got me interested. Do I, as a German citizen get put on a government watchlist again for reading or can I treat this as outsider art and be fine? Most of the comics depict literal Nazis but they do not portray Nazism in a positive light.
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Mar 8, 2014 00:17
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If Afterdead isn't outsider art it is hard to imagine what is.
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Mar 8, 2014 00:20
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Hymirvetr posted:This thread got me interested. Do I, as a German citizen get put on a government watchlist again for reading or can I treat this as outsider art and be fine? I imagine Stinz would be completely fine, and the others are about as "outsider art" as you can get. Heresiarch posted:It's hyperbole. Of course there are other competent depictions, most of which I am probably unfamiliar with, it's just funnier to make a blanket statement because of the context of the thread. If you've done something along those lines, I don't even know about it, so it certainly wasn't meant as a personal slight. I'm just saying you have to be careful, because you kind of put her in a precarious position there. If she had decided to run with your statement and expound upon why she's better than other artists in the genre, she'd probably be both justified and right. Certainly I wouldn't hold it against her. However, she'd run a significant risk of alienating members of her fanbase and her peers. I mean, most of the advertisers on her site are members of that genre; don't you think getting dissed by the artist could affect their willingness to advertise there? Or buy her merchandise? It's also a community where reputation really, really matters. Being seen as condescending or dismissive can be very damaging. A compliment like that could have come out of her pocket.
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Hymirvetr posted:This thread got me interested. Do I, as a German citizen get put on a government watchlist again for reading or can I treat this as outsider art and be fine? Please turn in your papers and exit the Federation over the closest available border.  (Browsing Donna Barr's work on the internet is not legally problematic as far as Nazi stuff is concerned. Purchasing physical copies should be fine as well, though customs might (unlikely, though) raise an eyebrow if you import.)
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Mar 8, 2014 01:27
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As far as I remember, Barr's work falls into "historical fiction, depicts Nazis in a negative light, therefore okay", so you're fine reading it. The ban on Nazi imagery is mostly a ban on waving it around at protest marches.
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Mar 8, 2014 01:33
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Mar 8, 2014 02:01
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Pick posted:I'm just saying you have to be careful, because you kind of put her in a precarious position there. If she had decided to run with your statement and expound upon why she's better than other artists in the genre, she'd probably be both justified and right. Certainly I wouldn't hold it against her. However, she'd run a significant risk of alienating members of her fanbase and her peers. I mean, most of the advertisers on her site are members of that genre; don't you think getting dissed by the artist could affect their willingness to advertise there? Or buy her merchandise? It's also a community where reputation really, really matters. Being seen as condescending or dismissive can be very damaging. A compliment like that could have come out of her pocket. I think you're overthinking this. It was meant to be a humorous compliment, not a serious question, and she took it the way it was intended. She's always been very chill and humble about everything both online and off, and I wasn't the least bit concerned that she was going to use that compliment as a staging point for some kind of public relations disaster.
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Mar 8, 2014 02:02
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And yeah, games like "Return to Castle Wolfenstein" have to have special versions made for the German market in which all of the swastikas and related imagery are removed, usually to be replaced with some sort of more generic bad-guy imagery or iron crosses or something. And these are games where the whole point is that you're killing Nazis. Same thing happened with a time-travel Justice League episode when it was released on DVD, and probably in lots of other places I don't know about.
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My boyfriend mentioned that swastikas were censored in superhero comics he read as a kid (he's in his late 20s) but I think they might apply the law more stringently to "low" art like comics and videogames. Germany's censorship laws are pretty strict, even outside the Nazi thing.
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The use of swastikas is a problem for the people who want to publish or make otherwise publically available the media that contains them. It's not a problem for the person browsing said media on the internet or buying those books. Though in the latter case they might not get those books through customs, effectively losing them. Whether Donna Barr depicts nazis in a positive or negative light is irrelevant when it comes to the usue of swastikas under German criminal law, by the way. (Technically, it might come into play when discussing whether the social adequacy exception would cover Barr's work, but that's not something that can be reasonably covered here.)
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The most recently updated page of Afterdead (on the new site at least, more on the older site): As I understand this is meant to be about the treatment of Native Americans by white settlers (ie, one of the running themes of Afterdead). Or so I gather as a filthy foreigner. 
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Randler posted:The use of swastikas is a problem for the people who want to publish or make otherwise publically available the media that contains them. It's not a problem for the person browsing said media on the internet or buying those books. Though in the latter case they might not get those books through customs, effectively losing them. Whether Donna Barr depicts nazis in a positive or negative light is irrelevant when it comes to the usue of swastikas under German criminal law, by the way. (Technically, it might come into play when discussing whether the social adequacy exception would cover Barr's work, but that's not something that can be reasonably covered here.) Okay, cheers for the clarification! I'm neither German nor a lawyer. The facehorses don't stop looking any less weird the more they appear. Jesus Christ.
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Mar 8, 2014 03:46
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Woohoo, more focus on men's (and horses') sexy scent/pheromones. Also why does every female character in everything ever refer to their male love interests as "Like my Dad, only HOT"? It creeps me out 
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Mar 8, 2014 05:45
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I can't believe Barr's been drawing horses for 30-some years and yet I can't find a single image of a unicorn or pegasus drawn by her. Every permutation of horse and dude imaginable, but not a single unicorn. What kind of weird horse girl is she
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Captain Candyblood posted:I can't believe Barr's been drawing horses for 30-some years and yet I can't find a single image of a unicorn or pegasus drawn by her. Every permutation of horse and dude imaginable, but not a single unicorn. What kind of weird horse girl is she *goes back to drawing a white horse with a man's face, hat, and  glasses, shades whole page with huge strokes of red and pink*
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I found that very curious too. I had to go back through her dA gallery because I was certain she must have at least one unicorn/pegasus. Apparently not. She does draw merhorses in sailor hats, though:  Also scantily clad merman (no dicks, just budgie smugglers (resemblance to Australian Prime Ministers entirely coincidental)).
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Captain Candyblood posted:I can't believe Barr's been drawing horses for 30-some years and yet I can't find a single image of a unicorn or pegasus drawn by her. Every permutation of horse and dude imaginable, but not a single unicorn. What kind of weird horse girl is she The woman has standards.
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Mar 8, 2014 20:40
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:
I think this is a good direction for Starbucks.
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One day I shall become a big name in the comics industry (I will hire a writer and an artist, I am just the ideas guy). Then, I will abuse my influence to set up a blind date between Donna Barr and Alan Moore. By the end of the evening one will have made the other leave the restaurant in horror, or they will have produced the most amazing comic known to humankind. Either way the night shall not be wasted, as they can share hair-care tips. Meanwhile, have Udo as a steampunk centaur.  Also features an early incarnation of gunfishbird.
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I sort of prefer modern gunfishbird.
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Pick posted:I sort of prefer modern gunfishbird. Did someone say gunfishbird?  She's definitely updating here rather than just here. There's a lag of two or three comics between them. I'm sure there is a reason. For anyone trying to actually keep up with continuity and the in-universe laws, Udo's fingernails are not black so he can only remember what he dislikes about Pfirsich (or anyone else from his life). (eg, dying under a bridge because of Pfirsich's negligent descendants) CROWS EVERYWHERE fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Mar 10, 2014 |
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Someone drew fanart of Donna Barr's work, and I found it, so here it is:
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I have a whole book of Barr fanart from 1995, "Ersatz Peach". Yes, that's a cover by Roberta Gregory. The other book, "Peach Slices", is a collection of mostly noncanon Peach stories by Barr (including one I'd forgotten or possibly repressed which involves the Rommel brothers as centaurs) done for other books, including some straight-up goddamn porn stories for stuff like Gay Comics and the like, and other extremely weird poo poo. If I had a way to scan it without breaking the spine I promise I'd do it. The "Ersatz Peach" book includes, I swear to god, an introduction by Dave Sim, from back when he was still really important to the indie publishing scene and before he went completely nuts. Most of the stuff in it is from various second-tier indie creators from the 90's who nobody today would have heard of, and is either completely unremarkable or actively terrible, with a few exceptions like this piece by Spain (apologies for my terrible fingernails, it's been a rough week):  and this page by nobody I recognize, which is probably my favorite:  and some extremely early work by Brandon Graham from when he was maybe 18 or 19, which is so amateurish and awful that I'm not going to share it because if his name wasn't on it, it wouldn't even be recognizable as his. Go buy "King City" instead, it's awesome. Now I'm beginning to I wonder exactly how much Comics Archaeology I have sitting in boxes of old books.
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God drat, that second page.  What a gutpunch. I'd be curious to see what else you have sitting in boxes.
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Heresiarch posted:The "Ersatz Peach" book includes, I swear to god, an introduction by Dave Sim, from back when he was still really important to the indie publishing scene and before he went completely nuts. ... What? The Cerebus guy?! This entire... scenario just gets stranger and stranger. God there's a hell of a story in all this.
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This is just reinforcing my opinion that Donna Barr should switch full-time to drawing depressing/wacky skeletons in various outfits having adventures. Also is that a little Nazi dog on the opposite page to the tank  e: Is it possible to have a list of the artists/writers who contributed to this? I would like to go exploring the depths of older indie comics and this seems like at least an interesting place to start. e2: Have the latest Afterdead from this site. It is two comics behind the one I just posted because the Donna Barr experience. Features a horrified gryphon. 
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So I just read Hader & The Colonel and can someone please explain to me what the gently caress I just read? And why the harpies are Nazis? Also, did anyone else who read this get as severely creeped out by the "it's just like a mother rabbit's breasts" thing? Because that creeped me the hell out, and pretty much backed up the notion that she draws weird fetish comics. I mean, I liked the comic, but it was definitely creepy.
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:This is just reinforcing my opinion that Donna Barr should switch full-time to drawing depressing/wacky skeletons in various outfits having adventures. It's not a Nazi dog, it is a dog 
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Hearing about people straight-up buying Barr's stuff from comic shops makes me wish the places around me carried underground or indie work. I'm not saying I want to be able to go out and purchase Afterdead, but I wish stuff this crazy, different and off-the-wall was more readily available. Indie comics are usually so much more interesting, just because they're unpredictable. The most "underground" thing the shops near me carry is Evil Ink, and even their comics are fairly well-known.
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Captain Candyblood posted:Hearing about people straight-up buying Barr's stuff from comic shops makes me wish the places around me carried underground or indie work. I'm not saying I want to be able to go out and purchase Afterdead, but I wish stuff this crazy, different and off-the-wall was more readily available. Indie comics are usually so much more interesting, just because they're unpredictable. The most "underground" thing the shops near me carry is Evil Ink, and even their comics are fairly well-known. Yeah, I'd prefer more access in our area to indie and underground poo poo as well. Not for Afterdead, but for, well, everything else. Also maybe so I could traumatise my brother with it when he asks for politically charged graphic novels. It doesn't help that I'm in Australia, too.Oh, speaking of Afterdead, you know how whenever she mentions the Afterreich she's always like "Haha get it it's hilarious"? That is because After auf Deutsch means anus. 
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Yeah, the comic shops around me don't sell new versions of Barr's work, one of them just had a used copy of Hader & The Colonel lying around. They do have a box of some old underground comics like Cherry and stuff by Crum though. And lots of furry comics in that box, too.
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:Oh, speaking of Afterdead, you know how whenever she mentions the Afterreich she's always like "Haha get it it's hilarious"? That is because After auf Deutsch means anus. So many layers.
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Pick posted:So many layers. You must go deeper. ( )
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GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:So I just read Hader & The Colonel and can someone please explain to me what the gently caress I just read? And why the harpies are Nazis? Also, did anyone else who read this get as severely creeped out by the "it's just like a mother rabbit's breasts" thing? Because that creeped me the hell out, and pretty much backed up the notion that she draws weird fetish comics. I mean, I liked the comic, but it was definitely creepy. I don't know, I just didn't really find it creepy? I mean, it's animals adopting other animals so it does come across a bit strange, but not in a way I perceived as sinister or twisted. The Colonel is mourning the loss of his wife and what he thinks is his only chance to have children (since they mention harpies mate for life), and then a weak little bunny comes along that endears itself to him enough that he decides to foster it. He comes to realize that protecting others is more important than blind militarism. I mean, to me, it's less weird than the Roman legend of Romulus and Remus sucking off a wolf's tits. The harpies are Nazis because Donna Barr.
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Pick posted:I don't know, I just didn't really find it creepy? I mean, it's animals adopting other animals so it does come across a bit strange, but not in a way I perceived as sinister or twisted. The Colonel is mourning the loss of his wife and what he thinks is his only chance to have children (since they mention harpies mate for life), and then a weak little bunny comes along that endears itself to him enough that he decides to foster it. He comes to realize that protecting others is more important than blind militarism. I mean, to me, it's less weird than the Roman legend of Romulus and Remus sucking off a wolf's tits. See, the thing that makes it come across as kind of fetishistic to me is all the stuff about nestling in his egg feathers and Hader's repeated comparison of it to snuggling in his mother's breasts. Well, that and the Nazi thing. And all the stuff with the hunters fawning over what a big, beautiful cock the Colonel was; and never any other phrasing, always that he was a big cock, and they wanted to see more of or get closer to that big cock; and that would probably just strike me as mildly clever wordplay if it weren't for her whole thing about gay Nazis. Some of my problems are probably the result of it being originally serialized, though, and so some of the reptition was kind of necessary. I would say that it's every bit as weird as Romulus and Remus suckling from the wolf, because it's pretty much the exact same thing. I gotta say, though, I loved it. I'm hooked and want to read more of her comics.
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While taking a break from my Serious Reading for Serious Classes, I decided to look for Donna Barr fanart on dA. And I found this ( for anime girl centaur with bondage and clothes pegs on her boobs). Now this wouldn't be too noteworthy as a Stinz fanart piece but for the fact that the artist is apparently Donna's brother. Here ( for anime bee girl with her top off) is another of his pieces that Barr actually favourited. Donna Barr's dA posted:She's ADORABLE! and your technique just keeps improving so fast! Donna Barr's brother's dA posted:Thanks, Sis. I'll not post any more of his stuff here. It's mostly fairly standard anime girls in various state of undress and wouldn't stand out on dA except by association. No Nazis or anything! I personally wouldn't favourite my brother's fetish portraits but I guess it's nice that she's encouraging him to improve his technique. 
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