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Cliff Racer posted:Trail of Tears isn't even worth one day, let alone a couple. Unless of course you use it as an example of the dynamics of American/Indian relations or relations between the branches of government and government itself versus the popular will of the people/populism. But then, as I briefly mentioned earlier, that is something true of almost any historical event. There are so many that the best way to teach is to use them as broader example of many similar events that occur, and what effect they had on society and the country. It is worth mentioning in regards to Jackson outright ignoring the Supreme Court.
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My APUSH teacher kept getting hives during the semester. However, I do remember watching 1776. Best movie ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqAdlkJDt7k
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John Goodman is a national treasure. If Alpha House doesn't get a third season, it will be a sad day.
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Season 2 wasn't nearly as good as the first, but let's hope I'm one of the few who thought so...
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My AP History teacher talked about Bin Laden's plans to hit 3 or 4 more places on 9/11 than he actually did once a week, but it didn't hinder me from getting a history degree at all so gently caress her. edit: getting a history degree is way easier than you'd think, if anyone ever brings it up in an argument tell them to go screw. I basically got it as an add-on to my Poli-Sci degree. long-ass nips Diane fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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Ron Jeremy posted:We read Zinn in my apush class, so I'm with you there. But I think listening to Jello Biafra as a pre-teen gave me the first push. I had an English class taught by a guy who really wished he was Robin Williams in Dead Poets Society. Naturally the first thing we read in a class ostensibly on British literature was Anthem by Ayn Rand while he rambled about unrecognized geniuses or something.  The best thing was in college when I took a comparative governments course taught by a former anti-genocide activist and Arab Spring blew up in the middle of the semester so we got to learn all about how the Middle East countries ended up like they did. Yes, even more reasons to hate France. Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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My last history professor was a black Tea Party republican. She was kind of a lunatic. Thought Andrew Jackson was the "perfect Tea Party president" (an accurate statement, I guess), slavery was necessary for the economy, and Sherman was literally double Hitler. She ended up having a miscarriage + brief mental breakdown, joined the Universalist church, and devoting her teaching career to teaching in a heavily disadvantaged area. She was growing more openly skeptical of her more freepy political beliefs by the last time I talked to her. The school I had her at also featured an ancient hateful libertarian bastard of an econ. professor who would go on rambling tangents every period about his views on Africa to his minority majority class. Would discuss in length his beliefs that the blacks were better off under apartheid because the economy was better, and how much better Rhodesia would have been than Zimbabwe. Ya know, just in case you need more proof Florida was the worst state.
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berzerker posted:(Cue 20 pages of people with anecdotes about how well or poorly taught it was in their specific schools) Up to 5 so far, can we make it all the way to 20?
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Ron Jeremy posted:We read Zinn in my apush class, so I'm with you there. But I think listening to Jello Biafra as a pre-teen gave me the first push. How accurate is Zinn's book? I've heard mixed reviews.
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site posted:Season 2 wasn't nearly as good as the first, but let's hope I'm one of the few who thought so...
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Chantilly Say posted:I read that one as more like "too much focus on specific events takes away from teaching the trends and overall conditions," i.e. that you get taught about the Trail of Tears and it's like "that happened and it was really bad, now on the next page we're covering the run-up to the Civil War"--so at the end of the year you can answer a multiple-choice question about the Trail of Tears without really being conscious of the ongoing patterns of genocide and native cultural erasure that continue through US history 1776-present. No matter what the intent, "let's talk less about a genocidal act and more about two broad topics, one of which is entirely about white people and could be talked about in virtually any context and one of which involves covering numerous wars, international diplomacy, trade, etc," ends up being apologia for genocide. Like imagine I said "talking about the Holocaust detracts from the topic of religious persecution in Europe and German parliamentary politics." It makes genocide an afterthought, and leaves no room to discuss how the victims actually experienced it.
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Abel Wingnut posted:How accurate is Zinn's book? I've heard mixed reviews. It's not academic grade and doesn't try to be. It's expressly a history of marginalized and non-upper class people
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You all need an international curriculum, IB was way better. Covered world history to 1500 the first year, 1500-1945 the second year (including detailed coverage of major revolutions around the world and how they all resulted in the ascension of a capitalist class as taught by a socialist), history of the Americas (North and South) the third year (and how slavery was pretty bad, like downright terrible), and then 1900-present day senior year, including multiple perspectives on who started each world war and how they affected the policy of the time when they were popular. Finished the year with enough extra time that we put Castro on trial ("History would absolve me") and found him not guilty on most charges.
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Abel Wingnut posted:How accurate is Zinn's book? I've heard mixed reviews. APHOUS gets a lot of flak for not being a comprehensive American history textbook, despite it explicitly not being intended to be so. It's like being mad at a dog because it doesn't meow.
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look at all you people who had the option for AP classes. At my high school you took classes that got you reciprocal credit with Syracuse University because that was the highest education someone could aspire to. Syracuse. (or an admin was on the take, idk, I wasn't thinking like that back then)
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Joementum posted:Who would be this magical Speaker that the Tea Party (which we should define as the far-right Gohmert/King contingent for the purposes of this discussion) would trust to uphold conservative principles, unlike Boehner, but would also be trusted by the Democrats to agree to bring must-pass bills like a clean debt ceiling hike to the floor? Where's that pic of Reagan and pals laughing when you need it?
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FlamingLiberal posted:No I agree...the comedy was clearly toned down, which was a problem. It was still good though. Did y'all watch some other show by mistake? Donna's episodes alone made it better than the first season.
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Defenestration posted:look at all you people who had the option for AP classes. At my high school you took classes that got you reciprocal credit with Syracuse University because that was the highest education someone could aspire to. Syracuse. I don't really see the issue? My high school also had a dual credit program with the local community college, and Syracuse at least seems more prestigious than that.
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computer parts posted:I don't really see the issue? My high school also had a dual credit program with the local community college, and Syracuse at least seems more prestigious than that. The issue is maybe I'd like some more options, and AP credits actually transfer somewhere besides Syracuse. (it wasn't even the local college. We had a SUNY)
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Did y'all watch some other show by mistake? Donna's episodes alone made it better than the first season. I thought she only had one or two good lines. She was way too stiff and formal to be a bachmann, and I would have preferred a more direct parody.
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Swagger Dagger posted:
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Abel Wingnut posted:How accurate is Zinn's book? I've heard mixed reviews. It's really good as a "my first run through subversive history", but plenty of it has bad conclusions or comes to declarative statements in odd ways. Long story short the book is several decades old now and a lot of the extreme problems with academia that it was meant to fight against are gone (in many ways thanks to Zinn) which hurts its novelty- in academia at least. The popular histories are still garbage.
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APUSH at my school was taught for my year by a brand new teacher who had been a Marine his whole life (retired at like 50) who had been teaching only the last couple of years. He didn't seem to realize we had to cover the a 45 chapter book before the test until it was brought up halfway through third quarter so the last 20 chapters or so were taught to us at the pace of about a chapter a week which wasn't ideal but turned out okay since the test that year focused on immediate lead up to Civil War and Reconstruction and he gave us some insanely detailed histories of the Civil War and its battles. He really enjoyed mentioning all of the terrible flaws in the confederate system and in general would give the "people who know nothing say it's about slavery, people who know a little say "state's rights", but experts/smart people know it was in fact slavery" speech constantly. Our lack of coverage/his lack of ever checking homework meant I got a 3 on the test by virtue of never studying or reading the book though--so I guess I am in fact the worst student. His AP psych class was awesome though, and I got a 5 on that test just off of watching his lectures. Great guy. I actually golf with him whenever I'm home in the summer AP Gov was taught by an infamously open democrat in a town that skew about 75% R. He gave a better run down of governmental institutions and political actions in the last two hundred years than any History or Political Science class I've had in college. He infamously called Obama as the first black president when Obama won his US Senate seat and might actually be omniscient when it comes to remembering minute political details or events. He retired a year or two after I left though, and the class is now taught by the infamous world geography teacher who would read National Review Online on his computer while giving tests.  I still have no idea how an open democrat taught in that white bread of a suburb for that long, especially with all the complaints he would draw yearly for being "too liberal".
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I remember spending a lot of time dissecting the Wizard of Oz in regards to farmers' adoption of the silver/gold standard in the early 20th century. It basically blew all of our minds. Our teacher was pretty good. She ran the model united nations club at our school and was probably a hippy type when she was younger. Easily one of the best teachers I had.
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Looks like next week will be all Keystone, all the time. They're probably going to focus on the (dubious) job creation aspect now that oil prices are so low. Or maybe they'd be willing to pass an $8 billion dollar infrastructure spending bill (it would be a start at least) now that gas prices aren't a thing. hahaha right
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What's the likely rhetoric that will stand out when they pass Keystone but the economics don't work out anymore so nobody builds it? A) "Obama stalled too long killing thousands of jobs" B) "Obama saved us from a pipeline nobody needed"
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Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:You all need an international curriculum, IB was way better. Covered world history to 1500 the first year, 1500-1945 the second year (including detailed coverage of major revolutions around the world and how they all resulted in the ascension of a capitalist class as taught by a socialist), history of the Americas (North and South) the third year (and how slavery was pretty bad, like downright terrible), and then 1900-present day senior year, including multiple perspectives on who started each world war and how they affected the policy of the time when they were popular. Finished the year with enough extra time that we put Castro on trial ("History would absolve me") and found him not guilty on most charges. IB was great, I got out of an entire year of Chemistry and English requirements with it. It was run extremely poorly at my school too (I still can't believe how bad the advice I got about my ToK and EE essays was) but it was still pretty great to be able to do things besides the incredibly slow high school math curriculum.
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bartlebyshop posted:IB was great, I got out of an entire year of Chemistry and English requirements with it. It was run extremely poorly at my school too (I still can't believe how bad the advice I got about my ToK and EE essays was) but it was still pretty great to be able to do things besides the incredibly slow high school math curriculum. See, in America you can just CLEP all your intro courses that you didn't AP out of.
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My Imaginary GF posted:See, in America you can just CLEP all your intro courses that you didn't AP out of. In Canada my only "GE" requirements were 1 year of Chemistry and either pass an English writing test or take 1 semester of composition. After that I was free as a bird to take a shitload of awesome math and physics electives.
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bartlebyshop posted:In Canada my only "GE" requirements were 1 year of Chemistry and either pass an English writing test or take 1 semester of composition. After that I was free as a bird to take a shitload of awesome math and physics electives. In my undergrad institution, all students (including engineers; it's a private engineering school) are currently required to take 24 credit hours = 6 courses in social sciences and humanities (including 8 hours = 2 courses humanities, 8 hours = 2 courses social sciences, of which one must be "writing-intensive"), 24 credit hours = 6 courses in "physical, life and engineering sciences" (including 8 credit hours = 2 courses in math), along with a second "communications-intensive" course. While I was there, the school also required at least one of the science courses to be a biology course (which you officially couldn't skip out on with AP Bio, although I recall one of my friends getting special dispensation in that regard), and there was talk as I was on my way out of requiring students to take at least one semester as a study-abroad semester (although I don't think it was ever made a requirement). I didn't mind getting those GE requirements myself (I took the opportunity to learn about modern Asian and European history and even decided to go cross-register to learn more about early 19th century Europe), but you will probably not be surprised to learn that engineering students tended to not really like them. I still managed to bring up enough AP credits to almost knock out a whole year of college (but I chose to use that opportunity to pursue a double degree) ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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Did you guys all go to the Magnet School for Whitenoise Posting? Who cares what your school did about AP classes? Here's the GOP's initial agenda for the new session: 1. Keystone 2. Tying a bunch of border security stuff to the Homeland Security budget 3. Making veterans not count toward Obamacare's employee counting
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quote:During the first week, the GOP will also take action on Rep. Rodney Davis’ (R-Ill.) Hire More Heroes Act, a change to Obamacare. The legislation exempts employers from counting veterans as employees when it comes to the ACA’s employer mandate. What an awful bill name. Sorry heroes, but if it wasn't for this bill your employer wouldn't hire you because he loving hates paying for health insurance of heroes.
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joeburz posted:What an awful bill name. Why do the Democrats oppose hiring more heroes? Everyone knows Nick Fury is the dream small business employee.
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joeburz posted:What an awful bill name. The name is great because the bill serves only one purpose, getting the headline "Obama vetoes Hire more Heroes Act" into the news.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Why do the Democrats oppose hiring more heroes? Everyone knows Nick Fury is the dream small business employee. When I think of my ideal employee, I think of a PTSD victim who cannot afford treatment.
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joeburz posted:What an awful bill name. Haha, it seemed like such a nothing bill that I hand't thought about the implications. This would just lead to a bunch of uninsured veterans relying on the Obamacare marketplace, wouldn't it?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:It'd be pretty hilarious if the dems team up with the tea party to put Steve King in as speaker and then run legislative circles around him when he doesn't have a clue what to do. The Dems aren't this smart or ballsy. A Tea Party Speaker would do so much crazy poo poo that anything close to a moderate republican is going to be heavily tested as to whether or not they can go along with it and not get run out of office in their next election. Seeing some insane idiot get played constantly by Pelosi and others would be amazing.
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PostNouveau posted:Haha, it seemed like such a nothing bill that I hand't thought about the implications. This would just lead to a bunch of uninsured veterans relying on the Obamacare marketplace, wouldn't it? It'll lead to Obama veto'ing the Protect Our Heroes Act, which will be good for 3-5 days' worth of earned media. Evil Fluffy posted:The Dems aren't this smart or ballsy. A Tea Party Speaker would do so much crazy poo poo that anything close to a moderate republican is going to be heavily tested as to whether or not they can go along with it and not get run out of office in their next election. Seeing some insane idiot get played constantly by Pelosi and others would be amazing. If there's one thing which disgusts Rep. King more than miscegination and being ignored, its the thought of working with Democrats.
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