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Panzeh posted:What's the loss to society when sadbrains manage to kill themselves? Man, I hope we don't have anyone like that in this thread, because they might try to open a vein on your post. Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Feb 2, 2015 |
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A more appropriate question is whether society or oneself should come first. Should someone who truly does not wish to live be forced through a battery of medical procedures, which may end up changing their very nature, just because they someday might do something good for the world? Is that (frankly low) potential truly appropriate justification for forcing a person to endure a pain that they no longer wish to?
Rime fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Feb 2, 2015 |
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OwlFancier posted:Well, speaking from personal experience, if the objective is to stop the immediate and pressing pain of living, suicide is an immediately available and immediately effective option. Okay, so in other words, you can't provide an example of someone committing or seeking suicide who was free from symptoms similar to those of depression, and indeed suggest that only certain people are "inclined towards suicide", or in other words, prone to depression. Rime posted:A more appropriate question is whether society or oneself should come first. Should someone who truly does not wish to live be forced through a battery of medical procedures, which may end up changing their very nature, just because they someday might do something good for the world? Is that (frankly low) potential truly appropriate justification for forcing a perwon to endure a pain that they no longer wish to? Call 1-800-247-8255, please. In any case, people's "natures" in the sense you're describing are constantly in flux, so should we discourage other things that would change your nature?
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Rime posted:A more appropriate question is whether society or oneself should come first. Should someone who truly does not wish to live be forced through a battery of medical procedures, which may end up changing their very nature, just because they someday might do something good for the world? Is that (frankly low) potential truly appropriate justification for forcing a perwon to endure a pain that they no longer wish to? The well-being of people is the goal. Saving someone's life is 'doing something good for the world'. We don't cure people's diseases just because they someday might cure other people's diseases. 'changing their very nature'--that's not a thing, unless you mean it like going out to get food is changing your very nature from hungry to full.
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Rime posted:A more appropriate question is whether society or oneself should come first. Should someone who truly does not wish to live be forced through a battery of medical procedures, which may end up changing their very nature, just because they someday might do something good for the world? Is that (frankly low) potential truly appropriate justification for forcing a person to endure a pain that they no longer wish to? I don't give a poo poo about your nature if your nature sucks, and if you want to kill yourself, you think your nature sucks too.
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Jazu posted:I don't give a poo poo about your nature if your nature sucks, and if you want to kill yourself, you think your nature sucks too. That's a terrible attitude thats bound to result in all sorts of policies aimed at reeducation and compulsory conformity.
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I think whatever questions the OP had have been answered, and I am not really interested in having a bunch of people talk themselves into suicide here.
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