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It does smack of the kind of ruse Kojima likes. The player can't know what the character he's playing remembers. So an inexperienced player assumes all the tapes and poo poo strewn about to fill in their knowledge as the player are just for that purpose alone. If the player is a veteran of the series, they're surprised when the character doesn't know something they think he should know, but they probably chalk it up to filling in players who know less about the series. The people the character talks to most often aren't surprised either, because they're in on the ruse, and if the player catches that they dismiss it as a minor continuity error. loving with the player like that is so very MGS.
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As much as I really dislike the thought of this ending, it still does make Big Boss become a demon. By manipulating the medic to become Venom Snake, he's become no better than Hot Coldman or Zero or any of the bureaucrats in Washington. He's the ultimate hypocrite.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:27
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Aug 25, 2015 21:28
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Mr. Fortitude posted:As much as I really dislike the thought of this ending, it still does make Big Boss become a demon. Yeah, not to mention he left Zero in the first place because of the clones. But now he's basically doing the same thing.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:29
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RatHat posted:Yeah, not to mention he left Zero in the first place because of the clones. But now he's basically doing the same thing. Reminds me of something he says in MGS 4. "Under certain conditions someone can be made to play a specific role. Act like someone else. Cats do love to play as snakes."
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Aug 25, 2015 21:30
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Do we still not know the reason for Quiet's clothes? The most believable theories I've seen are it's because of the parasites not liking sweat, despite this not making sense. Or because being set on fire by Ishmael traumatized her.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:32
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Reminds me of something he says in MGS 4.  I was thinking about the exact same quote.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:35
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quote:I'm 100% convinced that Kojima has done this to sabotage Konami from carrying the series forward, that I'm not complaining about because after this the series is dead anyway. Some people in the Neogaf thread are very angry.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:41
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RatHat posted:Some people in the Neogaf thread are very angry. Lol, while I think these events are disappointing, I am not going to be mad about it. But I wonder what happened to the other Patriots? Do they just decide to keep going on despite not knowing/knowing about Zero?
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Aug 25, 2015 21:43
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blackguy32 posted:Lol, while I think these events are disappointing, I am not going to be mad about it. But I wonder what happened to the other Patriots? Do they just decide to keep going on despite not knowing/knowing about Zero?
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Aug 25, 2015 21:44
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CrashCat posted:What other Patriots? Para-Medic and Sigint.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:49
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blackguy32 posted:Lol, while I think these events are disappointing, I am not going to be mad about it. But I wonder what happened to the other Patriots? Do they just decide to keep going on despite not knowing/knowing about Zero? I mean, Paramedic and Sigint were already pretty hard into the mad science by then, I'm betting, so probably.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:49
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I like the idea of the ending but a lot depends on execution, something very few of people have seen. Laughing at people going full anger. "This is a betrayal!" or other nonsense though.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:49
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RatHat posted:Some people in the Neogaf thread are very angry. Well I mean the story sounds pretty lovely on paper, but it's going to be really entertaining because Kojima so who cares.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:49
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Wasn't MGS3's story really lovely on paper when it first got leaked until people actually played it?
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Aug 25, 2015 21:54
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I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea. The spirit of the warrior will always be with you. Unless I'm actually not and some other guy is there in my place rubbing you all over his face.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:57
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Turns out a story isn't very good when read as just bullet points. How shocking. vvv Are you serious? MGS3's story is widely considered to be the best in the series. RatHat fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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Aug 25, 2015 21:58
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Funky Valentine posted:Wasn't MGS3's story really lovely on paper when it first got leaked until people actually played it? No, MGS3's story still is pretty lovely. But I mean, most people play Metal Gear for the gameplay, hopefully.
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Mr E posted:Well I mean the story sounds pretty lovely on paper, but it's going to be really entertaining because Kojima so who cares.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:01
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Yeah, if it's true there's probably going to be some fun hints scattered throughout. Kojima likes to telegraph stuff.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:09
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blackguy32 posted:No, MGS3's story still is pretty lovely. But I mean, most people play Metal Gear for the gameplay, hopefully. As for the MGS5 spoilers, this sounds awesome to me. I've only read about 25% of the black barred stuff, but the general idea of the twist to me is pretty interesting and cool.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:09
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I'm actually glad there's some kind of twist to the story, because if it was just a straightforward 'bad guy gets worse' then it just isn't quite a interesting. It'll also be interesting knowing about some of this stuff while playing because a lot of poo poo is going to have more context to it now. Also it's kind of nifty in how it plays into the whole symbolization aspect. Also, from the leaked footage it looks like maybe part of Quiets thing is related to the hospital sequence, since you see her getting lit on fire and tossed out the window. It looks like she's pretty fully clothed at that point and doesn't have the batshit crazy powers you see later on. E: tossed spoiler tags on the hospital intro stuff just in case people aren't cool seeing that part
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Aug 25, 2015 22:13
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MGS 3's story is pretty lovely, but the emotional gutpunch it provides makes it seem amazing. Also I just had a dumb thought about a certain non-canon Metal Gear game. Could Snake's Revenge be VENOM Snake's revenge? With this revelation, they could easily turn a non-canon spinoff into an interquel between the first two Metal Gear games now.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:14
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I think I've narrowed down my helicopter themes, I'm going with Ennio Morricone - The Ecstasy of E: poo poo, wrong thread.
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TheOrange posted:I'm actually glad there's some kind of twist to the story, because if it was just a straightforward 'bad guy gets worse' then it just isn't quite a interesting. It'll also be interesting knowing about some of this stuff while playing because a lot of poo poo is going to have more context to it now. Also it's kind of nifty in how it plays into the whole symbolization aspect. Plus by the end of PeaceWalker, we'd already had that epic speech where it felt like we had seen the transition to Big Boss take place. Plus we also kind of got that vibe at the end of MGS3.
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Heavy Metal posted:Plus by the end of PeaceWalker, we'd already had that epic speech where it felt like we had seen the transition to Big Boss take place. Plus we also kind of got that vibe at the end of MGS3. Yeah. As far as character progression goes, this game tells us pretty much nothing that we needed to know. While the story is... interesting, it's not going to be satisfying in that way no matter how they wrote it.
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Nothing in those spoilers about why that shrapnel seems to be growing into a demon horn. More hallucinations, or maybe Venom Snake sees himself that way? Also we got two different Big Bosses for Metal Gear 1 and 2. Somehow that's the craziest part to me. I almost wish there were going to be remakes for those two games with all the new retconned lore in place.
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The more I think about this twist, the more that Big Boss comes off as the biggest piece of poo poo in the series. He truly did become a demon but not in the way any of us expected. It also makes me view the MGS 4 ending in a new light, where instead of feeling happy that Solid and Big Boss reconciled at the end, now I just feel angry and bitter towards Big Boss. Which I suppose, is the point of the game. Cycles of revenge and all that.
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For what it's worth, the shrapnel-horn looks just like the spikes that shoot out of the ground when Metal Gear S smashes the ground with its whipsword.
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So big boss goes legit and actually heads Foxhound and takes down his evil phantom, Miller is off with his family or w/e. Why does the real big boss go ape poo poo and steal all the nukes, steal all the dude who worked for his phantom and make Zanzibarland. Why does miller then be Solid's advisor to take him down. It is cool that The Boss's ideals got passed to Gene, then Snake, then Venom, then Liquid, then Solidus and also Ocelot fakes that he's trying to do the same. Modest Mao fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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MGS3s story is bad but entertaining. I mean, it all hinges on "no one could have known Volgin would have fired the nukes!" Really? No one considered that a crazy lightning man might fire a nuke if you give him one?
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Also does this mean Liquid's daddy issues are because Venom treated him like poo poo, or because he found out Venom wasn't even his real dad and his real dad couldn't be assed to even hang out with him? In six days we'll know!
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Nail Rat posted:MGS3s story is bad but entertaining. I mean, it all hinges on "no one could have known Volgin would have fired the nukes!" Really? No one considered that a crazy lightning man might fire a nuke if you give him one? I thought Hot Coldman was the one who sabotaged the operation somehow, making Volgin fire the nukes so Big Boss would be sent in to kill The Boss? Yes, I'm aware that's a retcon but still.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:I thought Hot Coldman was the one who sabotaged the operation somehow, making Volgin fire the nukes so Big Boss would be sent in to kill The Boss? Well who knows what's canon in POOPS. Either way it's dumb because Eva wouldn't have known about that. On the surface Volgin doing what he did is exactly what you would expect.
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Nail Rat posted:Well who knows what's canon in POOPS. Either way it's dumb because Eva wouldn't have known about that. On the surface Volgin doing what he did is exactly what you would expect. Hot Coldman is from Peace Walker. That game is most definitely canon, not broad strokes canon like POOPS.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Hot Coldman is from Peace Walker. That game is most definitely canon, not broad strokes canon like POOPS. I haven't played Portable Ops in a long time, but I remember something along those lines being a retcon from Portable Ops. I wasn't aware it was referenced again later. Either way, still dumb.
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Nail Rat posted:I haven't played Portable Ops in a long time, but I remember something along those lines being a retcon from Portable Ops. I wasn't aware it was referenced again later. Yeah, Poops puts forth the notion that Snake Eater was planned from the very beginning. Peace Walker confirms it. Also the body double seems pretty much confirmed considering that crazy advertisement poo poo that Kojima was pushing with that doctor and transferring heads or some poo poo.
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Speedball posted:For what it's worth, the shrapnel-horn looks just like the spikes that shoot out of the ground when Metal Gear S smashes the ground with its whipsword. A horn looks like a spike? Wow how amazing.
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Nail Rat posted:I haven't played Portable Ops in a long time, but I remember something along those lines being a retcon from Portable Ops. I wasn't aware it was referenced again later. POOPS hinted that there was more about Operation Snake Eater than Big Boss knew about, but Peace Walker was the game that explicitly says Hot Coldman wanted The Boss dead and sabotaged the operation so Snake would have to kill her. RatHat posted:How exactly did he sabotage it? I don't remember that part about Peace Walker. Was it in a tape? It's not really stated how he did it, just that he wanted The Boss dead and orchestrated Operation Snake Eater. Selenephos fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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How exactly did he sabotage it? I don't remember that part about Peace Walker. Was it in a tape?
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