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Ed had a lot of things go wrong: he didn't leave his office on time, his car broke down, his T-38 crashed. Hope this isn't a bad omen for pathfinder
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So *many* things could go wrong: - Mechanical failures being forshadowed on Pathfinder - Piscotty being too subservient to Ed - Undertrained, alcoholic Tracy back in space - Poole taking a mothballed Apollo capsule into orbit - Cobb's radiation dose coming home to roost - Gordo being Gordo They're not *all* gonna happen but...some will.
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Mar 13, 2021 22:53
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Is it just me or did Sally Ride come out of nowhere? I don't remember her from earlier episodes. But I guess in this universe she's not the first American woman in space so why would they give any fanfare to her character?
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Mar 14, 2021 00:53
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I wonder if the fact that she's another closeted lesbian astronaut in a sham marriage to a male NASA employee will ever be addressed by the show, given the Ellen character already took on those aspects of Ride's life.
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Mar 14, 2021 01:01
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apatheticman posted:What happened to Deke again? He got real weird finding out Ellen is gay and then died from internal bleeding I think.
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Mar 14, 2021 01:22
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Yeah, they buried him on the moon. Even if he told her to keep hiding her sexuality because there were too many people like him who wouldn't understand, at least he did appear to show some level of self-awareness that the way he thought was outdated and wrong and he felt some regret that she wasn't able to be true about herself because of people like him.
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Mar 14, 2021 01:43
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That level of self-awareness from a homophobe is one of the more unbelievable things on a show with a nuclear rocket powered space shuttle in the 1980's
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Mar 14, 2021 01:49
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To be fair he was dying on his way to either the moon or spiraling off forever into deep space, it's the kind of thing that might give you a bit of perspective!
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Mar 14, 2021 01:55
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The little things are really what make this show so good. Like how everything feels lived in and you really get the sense that the characters know each other well. Touches like "hi, Bob" is something that's there for the characters and not the audience, which is not something you see very often.
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Raere posted:Is it just me or did Sally Ride come out of nowhere? I don't remember her from earlier episodes. But I guess in this universe she's not the first American woman in space so why would they give any fanfare to her character? They're doing some standard alt-history flagwaving. My wife and I both realized it was her at the same moment and got big goofy grins.
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Mar 14, 2021 05:30
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Dear writers please don't have Karen cheat on Ed with her dead son's best friend.
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Most of the cast is 35-40 in real life so I guess they are more accurate for season 2 than season 1?
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Mar 14, 2021 14:53
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Maybe not. The crew of Apollo 11 were all around 39 during the mission.
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zakharov posted:Dear writers please don't have Karen cheat on Ed with her dead son's best friend. Yeah, it did weirdly seem like that was where it was going, which would be a terrible idea. I am wondering if they’re going to include the Challenger disaster, or some kind of equivalent event. I suspect they would have slipped in a throwaway line about “sorting that problem with the o-ring” or something by now if they weren’t planning to do that.
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Mar 15, 2021 03:03
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It didn't even occur to me that the scene with Karen and Gordo Jr. was romantic or sexual. Were we watching the same show?
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Comrade Fakename posted:Yeah, it did weirdly seem like that was where it was going, which would be a terrible idea.
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Mar 15, 2021 04:37
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I figured they would have done that if they weren't planning on having drama on the moon between them. That or he'll freak out and she'll calm him down and they end up back together or something.
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Cojawfee posted:they end up back together or something.
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Mar 15, 2021 04:50
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Do people get back together anymore on TV? I mean I don't watch a ton of poo poo but I really don't get that sensation here. Somethings gonna happen to Tracy but I don't think the resolution is gonna be reconcile.
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DamnGlitch posted:Do people get back together anymore on TV? I mean I don't watch a ton of poo poo but I really don't get that sensation here. Somethings gonna happen to Tracy but I don't think the resolution is gonna be reconcile. Agreed, both in that I as a viewer don't much care if they get back together, and I don't sense the show caring all that much either. Their relationship is in a decent place, they can have dinner with their kids without it being a shitshow, they can rely on each other in a pinch, and they're both actively rooting for the other to not die on the job. At the moment, them both being on the moon at the same time is interesting, either because it'll result in some good conversations or because something major will need to happen to interrupt that plan.
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This show is awesome, haven’t even started Season 2 yet but I’m excited/scared that they’re using Shuttles. If anyone’s looking for the inside baseball and real history of the space race then The Right Stuff and Riding Rockets are both excellent and huge inspirations to the writing staff. Astronauts Wives Club also explains a lot of the stigmas and fears that Karen and the other wives had. The boozing, drag racing, jet crashing, and womanizing were all very very real. Mike Mullane talks about the rabid anti-communist fervor in the ex-military Astronaut Corps and the derision they had for any even vaguely pinko mission specialist astronauts. He has an anecdote about one astronaut on the Shuttle timing a poo poo for when they’re floating above Moscow.
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Mar 15, 2021 06:22
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pokeyman posted:It didn't even occur to me that the scene with Karen and Gordo Jr. was romantic or sexual. Were we watching the same show? They had at least two scenes setting up their relationship - him being surprised that she likes wrestling and the scene where they smoke weed together. I'm not convinced that they will actually go this route but for any regular show this would be more than enough to set up a romance subplot.
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Mar 15, 2021 14:14
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Part of me wonders whether Gordo is going to wind up becoming this world’s version of Lisa Nowak as it relates to increasing scrutiny of who NASA let’s go to space and how woefully underdeveloped their processes are to deal with mental health. From NASA’s real life press conference: quote:"We will act immediately on the more troubling aspects of this report with respect to alcohol use, and the anecdotal references to resistance by agency leadership to accepting advice or criticism about the fitness and readiness of individuals for spaceflight," she said.
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Mar 15, 2021 17:50
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Yeah, I think this show treats its characters with more respect than to chase some kind of romantic subplot there. So far every time that we've seen a setup that we expect to result in some sort of silly melodrama, the writers have consistently surprised me with their restraint and focus. Examples: - Margo's reaction to everything having to do with Aleida. - Gordo and Tracy NOT hooking up when she drunk dialed him after the car wreck. - Ed fessing up about his Russian guest. - The Baldwin family fight resulting in some heavy catharsis. - Gordo not actually losing his mind (yet...) I think that's a big reason why I like this show so much. All of the characters are generally likeable, or at least act like professionals rather than just being vectors for melodrama. There's no real antagonist (except for maybe the Russians), and the drama comes from the nature of space exploration, their work, and social pressures. I also like the way that everyone basically gets along and respects the other characters. I'm sick of shows where people are constantly at each other's throats, and it's refreshing to see everyone working together towards common goals.
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Mar 15, 2021 18:19
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Gordo seems to be doing his best to be prepared for his mission despite his various issues. Maybe they will portray Tracy as a poo poo hot astronaut and him as a gently caress up until something goes down and he saves the day because he properly prepared and Tracy looks like a gently caress up because she brushed off all the training and didn't know how to handle a situation.
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Mar 15, 2021 18:21
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Paddyo posted:I think that's a big reason why I like this show so much. All of the characters are generally likeable, or at least act like professionals rather than just being vectors for melodrama. There's no real antagonist (except for maybe the Russians), and the drama comes from the nature of space exploration, their work, and social pressures. I also like the way that everyone basically gets along and respects the other characters. I'm sick of shows where people are constantly at each other's throats, and it's refreshing to see everyone working together towards common goals. Even the Reagan party flack is sympathetic. He's just trying to solve a problem his superiors gave him, plus he has to eat a huge turd when the bug is discovered.
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Mar 15, 2021 19:46
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Data Graham posted:Even the Reagan party flack is sympathetic. He's just trying to solve a problem his superiors gave him, plus he has to eat a huge turd when the bug is discovered. There was also that scene with him and Ellen this season where he explains how some of his outwardly lovely political moves actually set the stage for NASA to be self-funded going forward. Then he explains how he fought for the NASA job because he really loves space. I love that stuff! Plus, it all went down in a setting and with a character where another dumber show would have had him make a pass at her or something.
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Mar 15, 2021 20:28
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Paddyo posted:I think that's a big reason why I like this show so much. All of the characters are generally likeable, or at least act like professionals rather than just being vectors for melodrama. There's no real antagonist (except for maybe the Russians), and the drama comes from the nature of space exploration, their work, and social pressures. I also like the way that everyone basically gets along and respects the other characters. I'm sick of shows where people are constantly at each other's throats, and it's refreshing to see everyone working together towards common goals. I agree with this, my only complaint (if anything) with the season so far is there's a lot more character drama than actual space adventures. I mean the last episode is called 'Pathfinder' and all we get is it sitting in a hangar.
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Mar 15, 2021 20:58
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That's kind of the way the first half of season 1 was set up too, but it all paid off with the awesome space stuff in the second half. Hopefully this season follows the same layout.
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Paddyo posted:There was also that scene with him and Ellen this season where he explains how some of his outwardly lovely political moves actually set the stage for NASA to be self-funded going forward. Then he explains how he fought for the NASA job because he really loves space. I love that stuff! Plus, it all went down in a setting and with a character where another dumber show would have had him make a pass at her or something. I kept trying to figure out if the administrator was being genuine, or if he was trying to hoodwink Ellen into working with him. (Or both.)
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Mar 15, 2021 22:10
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pokeyman posted:I kept trying to figure out if the administrator was being genuine, or if he was trying to hoodwink Ellen into working with him. (Or both.)
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Mar 15, 2021 22:29
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Good point. That really was a great character scene.
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Mar 15, 2021 22:50
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Bentai posted:Both. He's a political creature, even with all his "be your true self" bluster with Ellen, he admitted he plays a different character with each person. His wife is the only one that probably gets the real Paine. I read some closeted gay undertones in that scene actually, but maybe I was reading to much into it.
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Mar 16, 2021 16:24
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I guess they could change things for the show, but I don't think there was ever any indication the historical Paine was gay. It is funny that Paine has become some monumental NASA figure and Washington power-broker in the show, given that in reality he was the NASA administrator for less than two years and resigned once Nixon rejected his post-Apollo plans so he could go into the private sector.
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Huh - I had no idea that he was based on a historical figure. Based on his Wikipedia article his passion seems pretty genuine.
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kanonvandekempen posted:I read some closeted gay undertones in that scene actually, but maybe I was reading to much into it.
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Bentai posted:Oh for sure the "be your true self" had a lot of "come out of the closet, Ellen" vibes going on, though that's only known to the audience. And Ellen, who was squriming in her seat a bit as he went on.
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Mar 17, 2021 00:53
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Gordo has really grown on me as a character, he was such a shithead in season 1 and it is nice to see him realizing (way too late!) that he hosed up a pretty golden domestic life and it turns out he's not gonna be young and in his physical prime forever and there's a long career of being a fat ex-astronaut telling the same story at Elk dinners to look forward to if he doesn't get his poo poo together. The fact that a guy capable of all the insane training poo poo and math/science stuff an astronaut has to go through was sitting at the bar getting all fired up to see Sergeant Slaughter get his hands on that drat commie wrassler was also adorable 
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I liked season one but I've realized I don't remember any of it, I guess I should watch it again. I don't know why Gordo is a mess or who Molly is. I usually forget important things and remember trivial TV poo poo like this.
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