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Bliss Authority posted:I belatedly realized that the plot of 05 can be condensed into And like any good Scooby episode, it starts out as a ghost story and then ends up being about some cranky old man who’s been nursing some dumb grudge.
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*pulls the head off the Razgriz costume* "Jeepers! It was old man Belka the whole time!" "But what about the other Razgriz?" "Other Razgriz?" *camera pans over to Gründer Industries peeking in through a window before ducking away* Sindai fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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Sindai posted:*camera pans over to Gründer Industries peeking in through a window before ducking away* How do you say "sickos" in German? In any case, I'll wait until we get to the DLC before I say anything about it, except to echo what others have said: every single one of the DLC missions own. They're legit some of the best and most memorable missions in the entire franchise and they're worth every penny. They've got all the music, radio chatter, briefings, events, and whatever else you'd expect from any AC mission. They're like the polar opposite of cash grab DLCs. They're also some of the hardest missions; I can reliably do any of the base game missions without dying on Ace if I choose to be careful instead of gunning for the high score, and even then I'll still S rank most of them. The DLC missions, on the other hand, tend to repeatedly murder me. And the best part is that I do not give a single gently caress because they're incredibly fun and I'm a-ok with starting over from the beginning of the mission over and over. So if you've somehow played this game but not the DLCs then you're missing out and you should get them immediately. Just maybe brush up on your skills first if you haven't played this in a while.
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Rescue Mission 4: Operation Lighthouse Keeper – June 6th, 2019 | NO COMM | BONUS Overview: The IUN-PKF launches an operation to rescue former Osean President Vincent Harling from behind Erusean lines at the base of the space elevator. Mr. Harling had been touring the elevator at the time of the Erusean surprise attack and has been in hiding for the past three weeks. Trigger has been chosen to conduct a daring infiltration through the Erusean radar network surrounding Selatapura and the space elevator to clear a path for the extraction team to bring Mr. Harling home safely.  Guest Commentator: I am joined for this twice-in-a-lifetime mission to rescue President Harling by Acepedia maestro SlyCooperFan1. Sly recently completed a 7-hour long charity stream of Ace Combat 7 as a part of jacksepticeye’s Thanksmas charity umbrella benefiting New Story. New Story is a charity that builds homes in impoverished and disaster-stricken areas out of efficient and durable 3D printed materials. If you think this is a worthy cause to donate to, then by all means, feel free to kick some cash their way. Or don’t. It’s your money, I’m not gonna tell you what to do with it. give it me, i take Discover Card   HARLING Real Name: Vincent Harling Callsign(s): POTOF (former), Ex-Prez, 48 Age: 58 Sex: Male Nationality: Osea Signature Plane: MV-22 Osprey Voice Actor: Uncredited (audio unintelligible) The 48th President of the Osean Federation. Former President Harling is one of the world’s preeminent elder statesmen. Since leaving office in 2013, his popularity at home and aboard has only increased as the world prepares to enter the third decade of the 21st century. Mr. Harling is seen as one of the guiding luminaries leading the world forward towards greater peace and prosperity. The former president has been the recipient of multiple humanitarian awards and accolades since leaving office, many of them for his role in ending the 2010 Circum-Pacific War. In addition to a Holtz Peace Prize, an AN Humanitarian Commendation, and a Yuktobanian Friend of the State award, Mr. Harling was also recently awarded the Congressional Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in the Osean Federation by his presidential successor. His recently published memoir, co-written with acclaimed journalist and personal friend Albert Genette, also spent nearly two months at the top of the Osean Times best-seller list. While the broad details of the Circum-Pacific War and the shadow those dark months cast over his presidency are common knowledge now, the full report on the matter is still scheduled for public disclosure in December 2020. Public speculation still runs rampant to this day, however, on the connections between Mr. Harling and his Yuktobanian counterpart Prime Minister Nikanor’s kidnappings, the shadowy group alleged to have sacked both nations’ government, the destruction of the Arkbird A-SAT, the sudden arrest (and death) of Gründer Industries CEO Solare Ostberg following the end of the war, and the mysterious “ghost” squadron referred to as Razgriz on radio transmissions intercepted by civilian radio operators in late December of 2010. To this day, archival news footage of the Battle of Sudentor, the climactic engagement of the war, remains the most-watched non-entertainment video currently on YouTube. While the Osean government has admitted to the involvement of nefarious actors from Belka in certain actions and elements of the war, it is the official position of the Executive Office at Brighthill to neither confirm nor deny any additional allegations until the so-called “Razgriz Files” are officially declassified. Mr. Harling himself has remained silent on the matter in his civilian life. Mr. Harling’s post-presidency has been one tirelessly dedicated to building bridges of peace and understanding between the nations of the world. His two top causes are, of course, re-affirming the alliance between Osea and Yuktobania, and repairing Osea’s strained relationship with Usea and Erusea. The most prominent of these gestures being the construction of the International Space Elevator in Selatapura, Usea. While his first “bridge of peace” to outer space, the Arkbird, met with a tragic fate, Mr. Harling expressed the same amount of untarnished optimism towards the space elevator to act as its successor. At the time of Erusea’s surprise attack on Osean-aligned interests around the globe, Mr. Harling was visiting the International Space Elevator’s Earthport site at the base of the elevator on a publicity tour for the elevator. Whether the Eruseans were aware of Mr. Harling’s presence at the Earthport prior to their attack or if the attack was planned to coincide with the visit is currently unknown. What is known now, however, is that Mr. Harling has been in hiding from Erusean forces among the various Earthport facilities for the last three weeks in the company of a personal bodyguard. What the Eruseans have planned for the former president if they get their hands on him is not currently known. The OIA belives an assasination attempt is unlikely, but cannot rule out the possibility entirely. Most likely, they intend to take Mr. Harling as a hostage and use him to extract concessions from the Osean government in exchange for his safe return. Safely rescuing Mr. Harling from Selatapura will be a massive morale booster to the Osean public and peoples all across the world who’ve come to view the former president as a hero.  JOHNSON Real Name: Col. [REDACTED] Johnson Callsign(s): Colonel Age: Late 40s Sex: Male Nationality: Osea Signature Plane: MV-22 Osprey Voice Actor: Beau Billingslea A retired OADF colonel currently serving as a personal atache for former president Harling. Col. Johnson’s service record and commendations paint him as an expemplary soldier and an incredibly capable pilot. He retired from the OADF shortly after the Circum-Pacific War ended and entered the diplomatic circuit instead. This career change ultimately put him in contact with then-President Harling, who was rounding out the waning days of his time in office as Osea’s commander-in-chief. The two remained close for years afterwards and Johnson would rountinely join Harling on overseas trips around the world on diplomatic and humanitarian envoys. In this instance, he has found himself acting as a bodyguard for Mr. Harling, putting his air force and basic combat training to use to keep the ex-prez safe from the Erusean troops and agents currently tearing the ISEV Earthport apart to locate and capture him. So far he has managed to keep Mr. Harling secure for close to three weeks, and has finally been able to make contact with Osean authorities to arrange an exfiltration operation to get Mr. Harling safely away from the space elevator and back home on Osean soil. While the Colonel has been working to hide Mr. Harling from the Eruseans, the Eruseans have been assembling an intelligence dossier on him in case any direct action needs to be taken. Erusean Intelligence notes that Col. Johnson is an “old timer” pilot, with no experience against drone aircraft in combat situations, and the EAF engagement doctrine should be adjusted accordingly. We touch on this in the commentary, but there was for a while a bit of a debate in the Ace Combat fan community over whether or not “Col. Johnson” was in fact merely an alias for one Marcus “Swordsman” Snow, aka Razgriz 3 from Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War. Arguments in favor of this theory are that Snow and Johnson look remarkably similar, have similar backgrounds (pilots who are retired at the time of Ace Combat 7, although Snow was a Navy pilot, not an Air Force one like Johnson is claimed to be), both have a close working relationship with President Harling, and both are voiced by Beau Billingslea. Billingslea is one of only three voice actors who return from Ace Combat 5, the other two being Steve Blum and Jamieson Price. Price reprises his role from 5, Blum does not. Arguments against Johnson actually being Snow is that, as mentioned, Johnson is an air force pilot and a full bird colonel, while Snow was a naval air captain (the equivalent of a colonel). We also see Snow’s post-war life in the short story “Green Hills”, published in the ACES AT WAR 2019 lorebook, where Snow pilots a submarine to take Admiral Andersen to visit the wreck of the Kestrel off Kerwin Island in the north sea one last time before the old man dies. Though the story conviently does not give a date for when this happens. I’ll be posting the text of the story in a later update so you can read it for yourself. Johnson is also the third separate character Beau Billingslea has voiced across as many Ace Combats now between Anthony Palmer, Snow, and now Johnson. So his presence is not particularly indicative of anything, especially because yet another character who returns from Ace Combat 5 besides Harling and Intel is not voiced by their original actor, but we’ll talk about them at the end of the game. Information that muddies the debate is the fact that Johnson seems to be a known figure to Sky Keeper, while Snow’s service history and indeed his very identity are covered in black ink as a result of the sealing of the files pertaining to Razgriz and the Belkans. However, it’s entirely possible that Snow, operating as “Col. Johnson” has a set of faked credentials to allow him to continue to live and work openly under an assumed alias. Then again Sky Keeper also knows about “Mother Goose One,” being a huge Harling fanboy just like Nagase was. So just how much exactly of the nitty gritty information about the “Unsung War” is public knowledge if some grunt AWACS jockey knows the codename of the secret flight to North Point that Harling once used to evade compromised OADF detection, and then pull it out to use again for the callsign of Harling’s VTOL ride outta town? Another thing to consider is that when this franchise does callbacks, like everything it does, it throws subtly out the window. See: Mother Goose One and Sea Goblin showing up again in this mission. So if is Project ACES playing around with the lore here, this is the one and only time they opt for a dog whistle instead of a bullhorn. Who knows what the truth really is. What do YOU think here?    THE LIGHTHOUSE Informally known as the “Lighthouse,” the International Space Elevator is the tallest free-standing structure on the planet and is overseen by the Internation Space Elevator Corporation (ISEV for short), an arm of the International Union. The elevator’s windbreak structure alone stretches 12 kilometers tall, with the total length of the structure from the base of the Geofront at the Earthport station to the counterweight in high Earth orbit being 63,000 kilometers. Three skyhook space stations exist at various points along the elevator’s rise in geosynchronous orbit around the Earth and functioning as the Spaceport half of the elevator to counter the Earthport at Selatapura. The Low Orbit Station at an altitude of 23,750 kilometers is used for the launching of low Earth orbit satellites and missions to clear lingering fragments of the Ulysses 1994XF04 asteroid still trapped in the upper atmosphere even 20 years after planetfall. The Low Orbit Station serves as the home docking port for the rebuilt Arkbird Mk. II spaceplane for its LEO operations. At 36,000 km, the Geosynchronous Station is used to deploy geostationary and geosynchronous orbit satellites and contains a massive solar array that transmits energy down the cables to the Earthport for use in Usea’s power grid. And lastly, at a distance for 63,000 km from the Earth, the High Orbit Station functions as a both the elevator’s counterweight and a launching facility for space exploration missions deeper into the solar system. Utilizing the velocity of the Earth’s orbit and rotation, it has slingshot launched probes to Venus, Mars, and even a manned mission to the asteroid belt in 2013 which is scheduled to return later this year. Three cable cars operate along the six extreme high tensile cables stretching between the Earthport and the Spaceport facilities and ferry cargo, crew, and passengers up the 63,000km vertical rise from the loading terminal in the geofront beneath the ocean. Traveling at a speed of 250km/h, it takes each elevator car approximately ten and a half days to complete the journey from the geofront to the counterweight at the elevator’s apex. The elevator was proposed by Osean President Vincent Harling as a part of his administration’s humanitarian and peacekeeping foreign policy agenda primarily as a means to supply power to Usea’s still-ravaged continental power grid, with the space exploration ventures that could be launched from the elevator being ultimately a knock-on benefit. In addition to powering Selatapura and other cities across Usea, the elevator is linked to a rectenna transmission facility that supplies power to the two massive Arsenal Birds that protect the elevator via a tightband microwave uplink. The space elevator was constructed utilizing a crater created from the impact of one of the fragments of the Ulysses 1994XF04 asteroid 20km off the coast of Selatapura. The crater was reinforced with an artificial seawall and drained of sea water, and the natural parabola it created was turned into a geofront, in which the core of the elevator’s Earthport and windbreak was built. The Earthport facility surrounds the windbreak island in a ring formation, with six massive piers radiating outward from it. The piers contain everything needed for the immediate operation of the elevator, including seaport cargo facilities, helicopter landing pads, office facilities, several automated manufacturing plants, even housing for ISEV employees and their families and tourists flocking to the elevator. Prior to the outbreak of the war the elevator’s windbreak was open to the public, to an extent. An information center and art gallery at the elevator’s base welcome visitors, and an observation deck 3km up the windbreak gives vistors a spectacular view of Selatapura and the Eusian Ocean. All visitors to and employees at the ISEV site must pass through a strict medical quarantine site before they are allowed access to the elevator. Anyone testing positive for one or more “red flag” illnesses will be turned away and denied entry. However, now that the elevator has fallen under Erusean control, it has been locked down by the military and all public access has been barred. Besides the seaport, there are two main routes of access to the space elevator: a suspension bridge from downtown Selatatpura for public access and ground vehicle transport, and an undersea cargo transit tunnel leading directly to the geofront from the industrial area of city. Even before the confirmation that Arsenal Birds Liberty and Justice had fallen under Erusean control, the space elevator was considered the most strategic location on Usea from a resource management and space-access perspective. Now, with both the elevator and Arsenal Birds under their control, Erusea functionally controls nearly all of Usea. If the elevator can be retake, the Arsenal Birds can be cut off from their power supply and rendered inert. However, to reach the elevator in the first place requires facing the Arsenal Birds one way or another. At the moment the IUN-PKF faces a deadly Catch-22 situation as Usea’s future hangs in the balace. The existence of the space elevator was actually the first thing anyone ever found out about Ace Combat 7, as a series of emblems from the game were published in an update for Ace Combat Infinity, and the ISEV logo was among them.  MOTHER GOOSE ONE The callsign Sky Keeper assigns Mr. Harling and Col. Johnson’s evac flight away from the space elevator is a callback to the very first time we met the former President in Ace Combat 5’s Handful of Hope. It’s presented as just another aspect of Sky Keeper being a weird Harling fanboy, but one does have to wonder just how this guy found out about the secret codename of a secret flight to North Point that was covered up nearly a decade ago. I mean, I get what the game is really doing here and it’s actually incredibly smart, just layering on the nostalgia-bait super hard before plunging the knife in and twisting it. I say it’s dumb in the commentary, but upon further review, it’s actually amazingly smart. Rarely have I seen blatant nostalgia pandering used this deviously brutally before. I mean, I have, but the examples I could cite are things that enraged people because audiences these days don’t like to be challenged, even slightly, but that’s neither here nor there.  SEA GOBLIN Another layer of the nostalgia-bait Rube Goldberg machine Mission 4 builds over the course of its runtime is the return of Sea Goblin Team, also from Ace Combat 5 and also intrinsically linked to President Harling. You might remember them as the marine team from the original Kestrel that rescued Harling from captivity by the Belkans in the Circum-Pacific War, and they’re back once again to rescue Harling from captivity by the Eruseans in the Lighthous War. It’s probably not the exact same Sea Goblin Team, as those guys are probably all pushing 50 by now, but who knows, maybe Sea Goblin is Osea’s Seal Team Six and the name stays the same but the faces change every now and then. Either way, the whole point of Sea Goblin Team showing up and then mercilessly eating a whole buffet's worth of poo poo is in service of the game’s underlying meta-narrative aimed at longtime fans of the series which is to say “Things have changed now, the old way of doing things is not going to work anymore. The bad guys have figured this out already, and you need to catch the train too, or you’re hosed.” Because the Ace Combat franchise has always kept pace with the progressive march of history, but Skies Unknown seems to be the only one that seems to acknowledge any real sense of change to the world. Up till now, you could basically play the prior games (aside from like Electrosphere) in any order and if you weren’t explicitly told where each of them falls on the timeline, they all seem virtually identical in their broad strokes. This is the mission where the game stops being subtle about that undercurrent of change. You can tell that Project ACES has matured a lot since Ace Combat 5, hell, even since Ace Combat 6, and that aforementioned wilderness decade really helped put things in perspective for them it seems. Either way, RIP Sea Goblin Team. Old Ace Combat is dead, long live New Ace Combat. Deal with it.  AKERSON’S LAST STAND And the final piece of the nostalgia puzzle we have to deal with of course is the radar evasion gimmick. This is again the game forming a circle with Handful of Hope, which was also a radar evasion gimmick mission. The first half of Rescue is all about evading the radar bubbles lining the map in a convienent path-creating patter leading to the space elevator. There are three paths you can take to the elevator: the long one, the obvious shortcut, and the hidden shortcut. The first two are obvious looking at the radar map in the image above. The third path requires some extreme lateral thinking because you actually have to turn around 180° and follow a backwards path that is ultimately more than half as short as even the obvious shortcut path. Unlike other versions of this type of gimmick mission, there is no altitude ceiling for detection, so you can theoretically go as high as you want, so long as you don’t stray into the red circles. Going lower does not decrease the radar detection radii like it does in Ace Combat 5, however. There is a soft altitude ceiling in play in the first phase of the mission, however, but it is tied to getting the Named Ace to spawn, and I will cover that in the Assault Records section. At one point a Metal Gear Solid guard alertness meter element was going to be at play in the mission, and you can hear remnants of that in the background radio chatter for the mission with Erusean troops going “Huh? What was that? ...Oh, it’s nothing.” but it was ultimately cut from the final game as a result of the numerous rewrites and retools it went through between concept and release. Ultimately, this is the last hurrah for the old PlayStation 2-style gimmick missions of the Golden Trilogy and Ace Combat 2. There’s one more left to go after this and it is right on the terminator of things going to Ludicrous Speed in the game, but we’ll talk about it when we get there.  BABEL The activation codeword for Gargoyle Squadron’s attempted attack on the space elevator, “Babel”, is a reference to the Tower of Babel, for relatively obvious reasons. In Biblical lore, after the great flood, all of humanity was united and spoke a single language. The tyrant king Nimrod fancied himself a rival to even God himself, and decreed that all those under his domain would assist in the construction of a massive tower, through which Nimrod and his army would ascend to Heaven and attack and dethrone God. God, also being a ruthless tyrant who suffers no rival, cut the project off at its knees by cursing humanity with the language barrier. Suddenly, everyone working on the tower was unable to understand one another, literally just babbling at each other, and the project collapsed because no one was able to coordinate with each other anymore. (Which again is referenced to in Clown’s clever little “The IUN can’t coordinate between branches” line.) The story is used both as a warning against the hubris of man in the face of powers beyond our scope, and as a means explaining where the various languages of the human race emerged from in a storytelling scope. So it’s only natural that the codeword for an operation to bring down a tower that literally stretches into the heavens would call to mind the actual Tower of Babel. Now, as for the in-game matter pertaining to “Babel”. For reasons yet undisclosed, Gargoyle Squadron was tasked with the additional operation of destroying the space elevator once Mr. Harling was safely away from its immediate airspace. In hindsight, it’s an obvious course of action: no more space elevator means the Arsenal Birds fall out of the sky dead, or at least can’t put up their APS shields and would be vulnerable to conventional air strikes again. It’s a testament to how desperate the IUN has become that they not only considered, but actually TRIED to destroy the elevator. The top brass has seemingly decided that the risk of the elevator falling outweighs any benefit that might come along with it being retaken from the Eruseans. Unfortunately, with the failure of Operation Babel, it appears the IUN will not get another chance toe destroy the elevator. It also leads into yet another big mystery surrounding Mission 4 that will eventually get an answer of sorts but the connection between the two points isn’t stated in game and needs you to pay close attention to the incidental chatter and then bridge some obvious gaps. That mystery of course is why the Harling turn Mother Goose One around and fly back towards the space elevator after Johnson is killed and Gargoyle squadron attacks the elevator. We’ll never know the intent of the man himself, I’d love to see people speculate in the thread as to what THEY think he was doing...  
Ronin Florent Nollet 39, Male, Lieutenant Colonel, Erusea Erusean Air Force 501st Air Division, 23rd Fighter Squadron quote:Major Florent Nollet Ronin’s paint scheme for the F-15J is return of the default skin for the F-15C from Ace Combat 04, the same one that was later modified into Cipher’s canon skin for the Eagle in Ace Combat Zero.  Medal: Silence Is Golden Awarded for: Making it to the Space Elevator and triggering the mission update in less than 3 minutes. Description: Penetrate the radar network within 3 minutes in Campaign Mission 04, "Rescue".   Tracks featured in Mission 4: DISC 1  Here’s a translation of the Our Science article detailing the construction of the International Space Elevator:  “Our Science, August 21, 2018” posted:
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how about i show YOU how penal my unit is? *wiggles eyebrows* *tips cap* *takes bow, tips over and falls* *tumbles down staircase into Home Alone death trap*
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I mean, it's 2019, right? Obviously the current president is Osean Trump. #NotMyPresident
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Oh, Ace Combat military, making the same mistake that Independence Day's military did: air to air missiles have small warheads because planes are very fragile targets. To take out something like a space elevator you'd want something much larger.
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I do enjoy the turn here (even though I'm not a big fan of the mission), but there are parts of what's coming up that have always bugged me. Maybe I just missed it somewhere along the line, but I'll wait until you're deeper into the game to get into my little rant EDIT: I don't like this mission, so I forgot how fantastic this particular track is 
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Cythereal posted:Oh, Ace Combat military, making the same mistake that Independence Day's military did: air to air missiles have small warheads because planes are very fragile targets. To take out something like a space elevator you'd want something much larger. Strangereal JSMs routinely annihilate MBTs, surface vessels, large buildings, and other such hard targets just fine. They got it covered. I fully intend my posting legacy to be Solitary in this thread, Crow 
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To ask the question in the video, there are in fact handheld thermobaric rounds. Several in fact.  Such as the RPO-A Shmel to name one out of a couple. (Some of the early ones used napalm I should add.) The ubiquitous RPG-7 also has the TBG-7V Tanin round which has a thermobaric warhead. And the SMAW has the Mk 80 Mod 0 Encased Novel Explosive which is a thermobaric round. Edit: Always knew you were cold bastard Crow, but never could've imagined you were that cold. Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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Crow for real, you have to be more careful with your shots, I know the drone was close, but really? You couldn't do another take where you don't get the bad ending?  Jokes aside, I really like this mission. The radar part is nice and tense for what it is, then the furball is a cool setpiece, it feels like you're leading in the cavalry kinda. And, since Mother Goose One is a V-22, you probably didn't even need the drones OR planes to make it crash, those things are well documented in the Well There's Your Problem episode for being terrible.
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Although I think they've managed to work out most of the kinks, by this point it has crashed less times than the threads other favorite target.
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Serperoth posted:Crow for real, you have to be more careful with your shots, I know the drone was close, but really? You couldn't do another take where you don't get the bad ending? There’s a funny thing I noticed about Mother Goose One in the back half of the mission, especially if you’re either playing with cheats or are impossibly good at the game. If you destroy all the MQ-101s, after the V-22 gets “hit” and kicks off the final stage of the mission, it will turn its rotors vertical and just hover in place before the scripting kicks it that turns it back toward the space elevator.
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Oh no. OH NO. When I first played this mission, I had no idea what was coming. I mean, I played some of 5, so I was familiar with Harling. As the cutscene started playing, I just sat there and went “Wait…what. What’s going on. WHY ARE PEOPLE SCREAMING AT ME. WHY ARE THEY BLAMING ME?!” I legit cried when the Razgriz motif kicked in, too. Next up is one of my favorite missions.
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I can't believe Trigger killed Harling (in Ace Combat)
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Hwurmp posted:Trigger Did Nothing Wrong Waffleman_ posted:I can't believe Trigger killed Harling (in Ace Combat) President dead. So what?
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Cythereal posted:Oh, Ace Combat military, making the same mistake that Independence Day's military did: air to air missiles have small warheads because planes are very fragile targets. To take out something like a space elevator you'd want something much larger. I'm pretty sure Trigger has done his bit to prove that planes are not, in fact, fragile targets. One neat thing about this mission is that the prison arc starts with you (apparently) killing the embodiment of everything good about Osea. You've had reasons to doubt your side already, but until now they've been relatively abstract. Now, they've come home to roost, with Erusea's perfect clean war going up against your side trying to destroy the Space Elevator and the man who championed it. And now you're going to prison as the symbol of all Osea's sins, while the people who set things up keep on going unchallenged.
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nine-gear crow posted:President dead. So what? Aces Cure Planes? Nah, Trigger Cures Presidents
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Serperoth posted:Crow for real, you have to be more careful with your shots, I know the drone was close, but really? You couldn't do another take where you don't get the bad ending? The V-22 is fine, it had a lengthy and painful development cycle but since actually reaching production it's been fairly reliable.
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discussion of the physics of untethering a space elevator happened recently in the halo 3 LP, and here are some good gifs that unfortunately do not loopOptimus_Rhyme posted:Speaking of space elevators here's some simulations of what one breaking up would look like: biosterous fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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biosterous posted:discussion of the physics of untethering a space elevator happened recently in the halo 3 LP, and here are some good gifs that unfortunately do not loop There's a fascinating interview with the astrophysics consultant PA contacted to help them design the space elevator in the ACES AT WAR 2019 book that I really should transcribe and post as a part of the thread/LP at some point now that we're finally here at the part of the game where the elevator is immediately relevant.
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By the way, Crow, your link in the OP to the AC2 LP is wrong. Should be https://lparchive.org/Ace-Combat-2-Assault-Horizon-Legacy/
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Waffleman_ posted:By the way, Crow, your link in the OP to the AC2 LP is wrong. Should be https://lparchive.org/Ace-Combat-2-Assault-Horizon-Legacy/ Thanks. Yeah, for those curious, the OP is written with eventual archiving in mind. So that's why all the links from 04 to X go to LP Archive pages that don't exist yet, but will at some point. If anyone here is interested, you can catch the old threads here: Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation Ace Combat X: Skies of Deception (and Ace Combat Xi: Skies of Incursion) nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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biosterous posted:discussion of the physics of untethering a space elevator happened recently in the halo 3 LP, and here are some good gifs that unfortunately do not loop Teeth clenched remembering that one bit in Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy
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Wait is Harling just already dead and the entire operation is some bullshit to gently caress with the osean military?
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Natural 20 posted:Wait is Harling just already dead and the entire operation is some bullshit to gently caress with the osean military? He was alive and talking when he got in the transport. It would be a pretty complicated stunt to fake all that to no clear end, especially when they'd also have to forge evidence of the rest of the unit, make sure no witnesses survive... messy work, even for people who can hack superweapons.
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All of this could've been avoided if crow hadn't been so bloodthirsty and shot everything down! but nooooo also if you haven't watched the stinger at the end, do so Psion fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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So, are we just not gonna talk about the second missile, fired from
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hmmmmmmmmmm think we need to destroy that space elevator.
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IT WAS ME, TRIGGER! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG! NOT EVEN MY FAMILY KNEW ABOUT IT! -Big Johnson, probably.
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Paingod556 posted:So, are we just not gonna talk about the second missile, fired from https://i.imgur.com/J8XkuqT.mp4 
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Paingod556 posted:So, are we just not gonna talk about the second missile, fired from Holy crap! I never noticed that! I always thought Harling got hit by shrapnel from the drone Trigger shoots down. So we got framed, I wonder who set it up and why? Or was this just an accident and we got blamed for it?
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Frankly that footage needs to be blurrier and shakier to be even remotely believable. A very nice detail though.
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stryth posted:Holy crap! I never noticed that! I always thought Harling got hit by shrapnel from the drone Trigger shoots down. So we got framed, I wonder who set it up and why? Or was this just an accident and we got blamed for it? There will be answers much later but the short answer is Belka, it's always Belka, even when it isn't.
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nine-gear crow posted:It also leads into yet another big mystery surrounding Mission 4 that will eventually get an answer of sorts but the connection between the two points isn’t stated in game and needs you to pay close attention to the incidental chatter and then bridge some obvious gaps. That mystery of course is why the Harling turn Mother Goose One around and fly back towards the space elevator after Johnson is killed and Gargoyle squadron attacks the elevator. We’ll never know the intent of the man himself, I’d love to see people speculate in the thread as to what THEY think he was doing... I always assumed that Harling was thinking "They're gonna try to blow up the elevator. Maybe they won't if I'm still on it". Also totally thought you were gonna show a gun run or something for your reattempt at the end. That got me good.
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Clearly he was trying to destroy it by ramming it.
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Gamerofthegame posted:Clearly he was trying to destroy it by ramming it. This isn't Project Wingman!
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I think space elevators are cool Wish this game would let em be
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I am a proud Vator Hator if man was meant to vertically ascend between differing elevations The Lord would have given him stilt legs, or perhaps some type of balloon sac arrangement
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