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Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
Seeing reports that the outer glass shell is cracking lmao.

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Maudib Arakkis
Dec 24, 2023

LEST I GET MORE "OWNED" FOR BEING "STUPID" I WILL SAY THIS IS CATEGORICALLY UNTRUE. IT IS OFTEN PART OF DIAGNOSIS AND STAGING BUT IS ALMOST USELESS FOR TREATMENT.
Don't really understand how yall are like "its an ok device". Tried the 30 minute demo and the scales plum dropped from my eyes. This will literally change everything.

ShoogaSlim
May 22, 2001

YOU ARE THE DUMBEST MEATHEAD IDIOT ON THE PLANET, STOP FUCKING POSTING



indulge us. what do you like about it that others aren't praising?

Phssthpok
Nov 7, 2004

fingers like strings of walnuts
Are you supposed to be able to read a phone screen through the headset cameras? Maybe I need glasses after all.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Phssthpok posted:

Are you supposed to be able to read a phone screen through the headset cameras? Maybe I need glasses after all.

quote:

Yes, you can read your phone. Some of the smaller font is a little bit harder to see.

metztli
Mar 19, 2006
Which lead to the obvious photoshop, making me suspect that their ad agencies or creative types must be aware of what goes on at SA
Mine arrived - I messed around with it for a couple of hours, and my takeaway from it is 100% positive so far.

I found it to be pretty comfortable - solo strap, Zeiss inserts are great, no issues with strain or weight. Zero discomfort - like after a bit I basically just forgot I was wearing a headset for the most part. A little bit of light bleed depending on how I was sitting or standing, but I had to kind of try to notice it rather than it being inescapable with other headsets I've used in the past.

Gestures are totally natural - was zipping around in a couple of minutes despite not having tried it before. Hand tracking is perfect in regular light. Eye tracking is great - quickly got into the habit of not looking away from what I was doing, and felt pretty comfortable after a few minutes with very few accidental tweaks, and I stopped thinking about what I was doing and just did stuff automatically within half an hour.

App experience was a little weird at first; my persona is terrifying (in a fun way), setting up accounts and stuff with 1password and eye verification was a little quirky but settled in about 5 minutes. Passthrough is much better than the Quest - not even close; a little blurry but I can certainly read my phone and such through it. Software keyboard is trash, but voice to text was flawless.

Theater experience was fantastic, I watched a bit of a 3d Marvel movie while sitting on the moon and it was great. The scenes were "dark" but I didn't see any of the glare etc. that people seem to say comes about when watching dark scenes. Being able to have a crisp picture on an arbitrarily huge screen is great - not just for the theater but also for web browsing and looking at some documents - I expect that I'll be able to have a lot of real estate, more conveniently set up, for a mix of work stuff and personal use.

Now that I've got things installed, the next thing is to test out pairing with my MacBook and trying the Magic Keyboard and Magic Trackpad to control things, streaming from my PC via Moonlight, and seeing about streaming from my Xbox.

The one callout I really want to make is how quickly it felt natural vs. when I've used a Quest 3 or anything else - with those I really couldn't forget I was using a headset and controllers, or trying to use hand gestures, but with this thing it was just seamless. THAT is the thing that makes this magic - that it's just ... not there.

metztli fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Feb 28, 2024

gregday
May 23, 2003

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord
imagine being born, and first thing in the world you see is this. not 5 seconds old and the lil dude wants off this planet.

Phssthpok
Nov 7, 2004

fingers like strings of walnuts
PROTIP: You can record spatial video of major life events with any iPhone 15 Pro, without wearing the Vision Pro headset. Enable spatial recording in system settings > camera. Then you can watch the spatial video on your headset alone later.

Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002

I guess natural births are more lenient with PPE? I had to get covered up all the way for my kids’ births but they were cesarean.

gregday
May 23, 2003

iPhone spatial videos are somewhat less impressive than ones recorded directly on the  Vision Pro due to the cameras not being as far apart.

jimtech
Nov 25, 2005
Hail to the king baby...

metztli posted:

You can just ask for the dinosaur and they often will do it, from the folks I know who have gone in.

Has anyone here used the AVP with AirPods Max? The pros hurt my ears after an hour or 2 of use, and I'd want to benefit from the better noise cancellation of the Max anyway.

My Vision Pro arrived earlier today (hooray employer purchase) and the Max's do not get a good seal due to the straps of the Vision Pro. I felt that my AirPod Pro's worked better with noise cancellation.

ephori
Sep 1, 2006

Dinosaur Gum

jimtech posted:

My Vision Pro arrived earlier today (hooray employer purchase) and the Max's do not get a good seal due to the straps of the Vision Pro. I felt that my AirPod Pro's worked better with noise cancellation.

That feels like a crazy oversight. I’m shocked they wouldn’t have considered the Max’s with the Vision Pro straps. That seems crazy to me.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

ephori posted:

That feels like a crazy oversight. I’m shocked they wouldn’t have considered the Max’s with the Vision Pro straps. That seems crazy to me.

i'm not, really, i bet the maxes don't sell much.

in reality the problem is with the design of the airpods max; imo they're not nearly adjustable enough.

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013
At this point, literally the only reason for anyone to buy an AirPods Max over the Beats Studio Pro is that the BSP doesn't have the auto-switching between devices. That's it. That's the whole reason.

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao
Pretty neat

https://wccftech.com/doctor-uses-vision-pro-for-surgery/

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
Had mine sitting in its box for a couple of months because of some weird feeling that I didn't want to try it for the first time unless I was in the proper headspace to actually appreciate it, but finally got some downtime and gave it a go yesterday.
Was really cool? I guess I'll see how my impressions change over time. My SO had been using it before me and I found the eye tracking was way out of wack until I calibrated it to me, but once that was sorted I had a blast for a few hours. Audio quality is great and the immersive environments were a breath of fresh air; I'm in a kind of oppressively urban area these days with no nature anything like it near to me so I'm actually looking forward to giving work in that setting a go, fear of bears be damned.


Seems like an incredible lack of apps though, dang. Anything cool that's come out that people recommend?

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Koramei posted:

Had mine sitting in its box for a couple of months because of some weird feeling that I didn't want to try it for the first time unless I was in the proper headspace to actually appreciate it, but finally got some downtime and gave it a go yesterday.
Was really cool? I guess I'll see how my impressions change over time. My SO had been using it before me and I found the eye tracking was way out of wack until I calibrated it to me, but once that was sorted I had a blast for a few hours. Audio quality is great and the immersive environments were a breath of fresh air; I'm in a kind of oppressively urban area these days with no nature anything like it near to me so I'm actually looking forward to giving work in that setting a go, fear of bears be damned.


Seems like an incredible lack of apps though, dang. Anything cool that's come out that people recommend?

Seems like the coolest thing people are doing with them is returning them for a refund, but yours seems too old for that.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Still waiting to hear how it’s changing everything from the guy who tried a demo at the Apple Store

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


Has there been like any press since the initial flurry?

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
There's a steady stream of minor stuff (I have an rss feed with it tagged and it's one of the quicker movers still) for when media releases happen or someone does surgery with one on (seems like this has happened a few times now) and so on. Nobody really talking about apps though.

I'm in the XR exhibition scene and the impression on that front is, unlike other headsets, that it's just way too expensive to think about creating something around so a lot of people aren't pursuing it much.

Murmurs are the international launch is happening after WWDC so there might be another flurry around then.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
i still think it’s impressive as hell but way too expensive to ever go anywhere. gonna need several more cheaper iterations for there to be much adoption imo

OldSenileGuy
Mar 13, 2001
I realized a few weeks ago that I have the perfect use case for this - I work in film post production. I have the luxury of being able to work remotely, but since I'm often working on unreleased material, I can't exactly set up shop in a hotel lobby or a coffee shop and have unreleased episodes of a network TV show on my monitor.

HOWEVER, if I had these, I could easily set up shop in the hotel lobby with my laptop and have the client material on the virtual monitor only. The only problems are - 1) I'm still not paying $3500 for a glorified monitor with privacy shield, and 2) I'd look like a total douche in the hotel lobby or coffee shop. But I can deal with that.

EDIT: Just out of curiosity - I've seen some new Meta Quest commercials that are very obviously inspired by AVP - showing off that it can do similar things to what AVP can do. Can Meta Quest act as a secondary monitor for a Macbook Air? Is it a seamless and smooth experience? Does it screen record everything you do and send it back to the Facebook Mothership?

OldSenileGuy fucked around with this message at 00:11 on May 29, 2024

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
It can pair with windows laptops pretty seamlessly via Meta's built in app, AirLink, but I don't think that works with Macs. There are apps like VirtualDesktop that do the same thing that you might have better luck with, though.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Kenji Lopez-Alt, a food writer, posted a bunch of videos where he’s filming food reviews using his Meta ray-bans. They look like totally ordinary sunglasses and the videos were perfectly good. I kept thinking how impossible that would be with the Vision Pro. He’d look like a total nutjob. Then again I guess Apple is just not chasing that market.

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

OldSenileGuy posted:

EDIT: Just out of curiosity - I've seen some new Meta Quest commercials that are very obviously inspired by AVP - showing off that it can do similar things to what AVP can do. Can Meta Quest act as a secondary monitor for a Macbook Air? Is it a seamless and smooth experience?

Virtual Desktop has that functionality down pat, including multiple virtual monitors (as long as you have very good Wifi), but with the Quest 3 PPD you need to have a screen about 4x or more the real size to be usable. The AVP takes that down to around 2x real size for decent usability. The absolute best on the market (starting at around $4000 and 1000 grams for tethered PCVR) hits maybe 1.5x real size.

Virtual Desktop is also fantastic at low-latency wireless streaming of PCVR (again, if you have good Wifi), to the point that a lot of people (including me) just use it for 100% of PCVR stuff now instead of tethering anything.

OldSenileGuy posted:

Does it screen record everything you do and send it back to the Facebook Mothership?

No. And if you're concerned, you can just use Virtual Desktop or one of its three or four competitors (though IMO, VD is best by far, including compared to the first-party stuff).

Vegetable posted:

Kenji Lopez-Alt, a food writer, posted a bunch of videos where he’s filming food reviews using his Meta ray-bans. They look like totally ordinary sunglasses and the videos were perfectly good. I kept thinking how impossible that would be with the Vision Pro. He’d look like a total nutjob. Then again I guess Apple is just not chasing that market.

Those glasses aren't displays, just cameras/headphones.

Roadie fucked around with this message at 07:02 on May 29, 2024

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Roadie posted:

Those glasses aren't displays, just cameras/headphones.

i don't think anything else was being claimed, just noting that you would look insane in the current climate by filming videos like that as you walk around

ShoogaSlim
May 22, 2001

YOU ARE THE DUMBEST MEATHEAD IDIOT ON THE PLANET, STOP FUCKING POSTING



one of the software devs at my office brings in his meta quest and works on multiple remote monitors via his MacBook

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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ShoogaSlim posted:

one of the software devs at my office brings in his meta quest and works on multiple remote monitors via his MacBook

insanity. i have a quest and i personally do not think it’s good enough to do this. i can’t imagine using it to read text all day i’d go insane

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

mediaphage posted:

insanity. i have a quest and i personally do not think it’s good enough to do this. i can’t imagine using it to read text all day i’d go insane

:yeah:

I sometimes use OVR to have a Discord window open for coordination with VR events, and even blown up to like 4x–6x size it's barely usable.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
I wouldn't choose to do it all day, but I've done VR dev (unity/coding/modeling) entirely with the headset on for 2-3 hour stretches on Quest 2/3 a bunch of times. You do have to blow the windows way up compared to the physical size they'd be on a monitor, but in VR that's fortunately entirely possible.

More than the text being hard to read, the UI being total rear end has been the bigger barrier for me not integrating that more. But while I certainly wouldn't sell the experience as totally baked just yet, it's not disastrous either imo. I was going to give it a go on my Vision Pro yesterday (and might try again today) but couldn't pair it to my mac for some reason lol.


Gotta say one major impression on the Vision Pro after a few days with it is that I'm not nearly as awed by the passthrough as a lot of the reviewers seemed to be. The clarity seems almost the same as the Quest 3? Not miles better or anything. It does seem less glitchy though, which is cool; Quest 3 has fairly regular distortion as the software tries to map what the cameras see to a workable VR view, especially if you're moving quickly. The Vision Pro seems to work a lot better on that front.
As a movie watching thing it's been dope though. Hopefully it'll be more than that but I guess we'll see.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
i shouldn’t be but i’m still a little surprised the ui on the quest is still so bad. it’s so limiting that i just ise it for the occasional game or youtube and don’t bother using it otherwise.

also lol at being unable to remove software you installed a demo for. sorry that’s there forever now

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Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Koramei posted:


Gotta say one major impression on the Vision Pro after a few days with it is that I'm not nearly as awed by the passthrough as a lot of the reviewers seemed to be. The clarity seems almost the same as the Quest 3? Not miles better or anything. It does seem less glitchy though, which is cool; Quest 3 has fairly regular distortion as the software tries to map what the cameras see to a workable VR view, especially if you're moving quickly. The Vision Pro seems to work a lot better on that front.
As a movie watching thing it's been dope though. Hopefully it'll be more than that but I guess we'll see.

The Quest 3 has tiny crappy cameras but it’s cheap so it’s more excusable that the pass through function is grainy and super dependent on having excellent lighting conditions. With the Vision Pro the decision to have the same crappy cameras makes a lot less sense; it costs a fortune and they decided to build this barely functional external eyeball display instead of jamming in bigger and better cameras.

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